Any idea how to get this bass drum sound?

trippertds

Washed Out - Feel It All Around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkslcOhytU

Love the sound of the drums on this, any idea how to recreate it in Ableton or Reason or any other program? heavy gated compression or something?

any idea what type of sample to start off with when going for that type of drum sound?

Similar - Neon Indian - Deadbeat Summer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlJ27Dcv4fc

seannash

try a chorus and a phaser over your drums

ICN

Anyone remember from years ago what a chewed & f**ked up tape sounded like in a Walkman?

Chloroplast

bring the pitch down a few notches on your beat, and use plugs like psp vintage warmer(sparingly) with other plugs, like audio damage kombinat, lots of dirt and isolation,

its that well known french electronic beat,imo, hear it being used by justice and all them guys, so if your having hassle creating it you could probably pick it up off a sample library somewhere.

DIRTY69

if you want to do it from scratch:

1) sample kick from viny
2) layer up with another kick to increase fatness
3) play with stereo and old tape based effects like phase and chorus to add a stereo field and presence
4) use a plugin like ableton's Utility to reduce the wideness of the stereo image: something like down to 50%
5) Careful EQ to get the presence right and cut any unwanted sub bass from the sample
6) PSP vintage warmer (and a few other compression based plugins) to get a smooth, subtile compression.
7) EQ again, checking with a Freq Analyser.
8) Your done!

Chloroplast

sample kick from vinyl.

Why would you want anyone to waste their time recording a kick from vinyl?

pointless!

DIRTY69

Dude, why the **** is that pointless?

Most of the french house is taken from vinyl, hence the suggestion.

try some contribution instead of critizism tbh.

Chloroplast

LMAO, angry at life much ?

as regards contribution, look at the post above your own first, ie; try reading a thread fully next time.

most french stuff is NOT taken from vinyl. bring me some evidence to show this .. the music and beats itself might sound and be perceived like they are vinyl but they are certainly not sampled. your trying to tell me justice, daft punk and whoever else go around sampling vinyl all day, yeah.

ICN

Whats Vinyl?

DIRTY69

Chloroplast wrote: »

LMAO, angry at life much ?

as regards contribution, look at the post above your own first, ie; try reading a thread fully next time.

most french stuff is NOT taken from vinyl. bring me some evidence to show this .. the music and beats itself might sound and be perceived like they are vinyl but they are certainly not sampled. your trying to tell me justice, daft punk and whoever else go around sampling vinyl all day, yeah.

Fine. Didn't appreciate the attitude. Fairly dismissive of suggestions, calling them out as "pointless!". Its a bit rude don't you think?

Anyway, a better suggestion that vinyl for that matter is Goldbaby. They do good old drum machine beats recorded to vinyl and to tape. Some great free packs as well.

seannash

i only really listned to the first video now.

it doesnt really sound like the drums are doing anything special.it seems like its everything else thats effected no?(with phaser,filter,chorus)

as for sampling vinyl,with the wealth of sample libraries out there theres no need to sample anymore as its done for you and you can layer up as many drum hits as you like to make your ideal kick.

also ableton has a vinly effect if he really wants that grainy vinyl feel:p


just to point out,sampling is still dont from vinyl(like on disco,funky house stuff but it would cost a bit to do it from scratch( proper needles,turntable,nice soundcard)so its probably out fo the question for the op

seannash

ICN wrote: »

Whats Vinyl?

its a fancy name for floor covering,more commonly refered to as Lino:D

ICN

seannash wrote: »

its a fancy name for floor covering,more commonly refered to as Lino:D

http://www.linoritchie.ie/index.php

seannash

ICN wrote: »

http://www.linoritchie.ie/index.php

oh that is good:D:pac::pac:


i always loved this one




Lionel Rich Tea

Chloroplast

DIRTY69 wrote: »

Fine. Didn't appreciate the attitude. Fairly dismissive of suggestions, calling them out as "pointless!". Its a bit rude don't you think?

Anyway, a better suggestion that vinyl for that matter is Goldbaby. They do good old drum machine beats recorded to vinyl and to tape. Some great free packs as well.

I wouldn't say rude, i could easily say the same to you as regards rude for not reading a thread fully, but hey lets not argue over peti sh1te ?

i just expressed it was pointless, well ...because it is. firstly you need to have a collection of vinyl, then you gotta find one and pick one that has a suitable beat, then you gotta record a section and find a part that isnt destroyed in static and crackles. plus keeping into account that sinces its from a record its mastered too, so you have compression on it and other mastering tools. now its gonna go into your daw and be reprocessed all over again.

i just think it would be a lot easier with my method above, its very clean and straight forward.cheers.

DIRTY69

Merely made a suggestion. Whatever works at the end of the day.

ICN

This has turned into a beautiful thread..

seannash

DIRTY69 wrote: »

Merely made a suggestion. Whatever works at the end of the day.

yep,true and it probably to some degree is valid but you have to take into account that most of us on here are beroom wariors and as such we work on a budget.


we could all recommend the ridiculously expensive outboard gear you'd find in big recording studios but none of us on here would have a budget for that

its almost like telling the op to hire a drmmer and go to a recording studio and record drum hits(thats extreme i know)


not doubting your method wouldnt work by the way

oootini

what on earth is wrong with recording some choice kick on a cool record you own? easy lads. go buy a ****ing record player.

seannash

oootini wrote: »

what on earth is wrong with recording some choice kick on a cool record you own? easy lads. go buy a ****ing record player.

what about buying nice needles too and then a good soundcard.


oh look a money tree(runs over to it)

ICN

seannash wrote: »

what about buying nice needles too and then a good soundcard.


oh look a money tree(runs over to it)

LOL :pac:

Chloroplast

oootini wrote: »

what on earth is wrong with recording some choice kick on a cool record you own?

absolutely nothing at all, its just not practical as regards being a home producer making a simple french style electronic beat.

hans aus dtschl

I agree.
It's totally impractical to be asking the OP to use various plugin's and ableton.
Just sample stuff that you like the sound of. Put on the vinyl, press record, cut it, maybe filter it slightly, done.
I agree there's no evidence to suggest the french producers didn't all sample vinyl. In fact most dance music is sample based.

Or vice versa.

Ye're talking rubbish. Just because boards.ie is a predominantly "software and software only" site, don't assume everyone's doing the same things as you, in the same ways as you. Both methods are different and valid.

The level of sneering towards non-computer-based producers and dj's on here is crazy. It you have a method of doing something, and it sounds good, then thats the right way.

It's that simple. Doesn't matter if it's all in fruity loops or all through an MPC and records. The result is what counts.

seannash

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I agree.
It's totally impractical to be asking the OP to use various plugin's and ableton.
Just sample stuff that you like the sound of. Put on the vinyl, press record, cut it, maybe filter it slightly, done.
I agree there's no evidence to suggest the french producers didn't all sample vinyl. In fact most dance music is sample based.

Or vice versa.

Ye're talking rubbish. Just because boards.ie is a predominantly "software and software only" site, don't assume everyone's doing the same things as you, in the same ways as you. Both methods are different and valid.

The level of sneering towards non-computer-based producers and dj's on here is crazy. It you have a method of doing something, and it sounds good, then thats the right way.

It's that simple. Doesn't matter if it's all in fruity loops or all through an MPC and records. The result is what counts.

why didnt he tell him to look for the Wav of it or a 320 mp3.

even if he does posess a turntable,good needles,nice soundcard.


like i said we could tell him to hire a drummer etc etc etc

oootini

seannash wrote: »

why didnt he tell him to look for the Wav of it or a 320 mp3.

even if he does posess a turntable,good needles,nice soundcard.


like i said we could tell him to hire a drummer etc etc etc

nash you big thick, stop splitting hairs. all you had to take from his post was the word SAMPLE. <<SAMPLE>>

you could do it easily from a wav of a track, a cd, a record, whatever. It's all the same thing. stop being such a complete twat.

ICN

Point here is: There are lots of different ways to skin a cat.

Thank F*** its only just advice on the different ways of doing something, rather than forcing people to do stuff outside of their realistic abilities.

Please put the Needles & bloated sample libraries down before someone gets virtually hurt.

:rolleyes: :pac:

seannash

oootini wrote: »

nash you big thick, stop splitting hairs. all you had to take from his post was the word SAMPLE. <<SAMPLE>>

you could do it easily from a wav of a track, a cd, a record, whatever. It's all the same thing. stop being such a complete twat.

ha ha yeah right he told the OP to sample a kick from Vinyl.<<Vinyl>>

so if the op hadnt have recieved any other advice he would have been thinking its the only way for him to get that sound.
we dont know the OP's experience

So he could have "easily"sampled the kick from a vinyl yeah?

all that equipment to do so is just lying around.

read over all the posts i made in the thread and youll see i gave him good advice

couldnt be arsed calling you a name even though doing so would make my reply look more awesome

Android 666

If you look at the op first post he was asking how to replicate the sound in a programme like Ableton or Reason. It's fair to assume he doesn't have much in the way of hardware. I can't see how turning this into a debate about the merits of hard synths vs. soft synths is going to help anyone.

trippertds

cheers for all the replies, wasn't expecting that much!

Liked the vinyl approach, don't have great crystal-clear recording gear but that might give some character. i suppose not many people would go through that much hassle for a bass drum sound, which would give it a bit of originality

Chloroplast's idea is more along the lines i was thinking but its all good

thanks again, sorry for the international incident i seem to have caused!

hans aus dtschl

Android 666 wrote: »

If you look at the op first post he was asking how to replicate the sound in a programme like Ableton or Reason. It's fair to assume he doesn't have much in the way of hardware. I can't see how turning this into a debate about the merits of hard synths vs. soft synths is going to help anyone.

A) nobody was talking about hard synths, soft synths or any type of synths
"any other program" includes freeware like audacity. You can literally plug into your computer's line in and record. No need for expensive anything. If he had any playback device with a line-out it would suffice. Or sample within the computer, by stealing the MP3, and loading that into audacity etc.

I actually am flabbergasted at this board sometimes. Ableton, pro-tools, cubase, logic and reason are all ralatively new tools. There ARE ways of doing things without them.

Getting hung up on a format has to be one of the most petty things imaginable. When fans of vinyl express views in this manner people cry bloody murder.

"Thats a pointless way of doing it" etc. Wow. I should stop doing things this way so.

As should:
DJ shadow
Madlib
Cut Chemist
Numark
Cio D'or
Legowelt etc etc etc etc

Talk about one track mind.

seannash

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

"any other program" includes freeware like audacity. You can literally plug into your computer's line in and record.

just to keep this going:D
wouldnt sound the best going through the inbuilt soundcards which has ****ty converters.

but i guess we've exasperated all possibilities at this stage and its abit irrelevent.

but variety is the spice of life after all:D

ICN

trippertds wrote: »

cheers for all the replies, wasn't expecting that much!

Liked the vinyl approach, don't have great crystal-clear recording gear but that might give some character. i suppose not many people would go through that much hassle for a bass drum sound, which would give it a bit of originality

Chloroplast's idea is more along the lines i was thinking but its all good

thanks again, sorry for the international incident i seem to have caused!

Brilliant!!

DIRTY69

Theres a fecking ridiculous about of slating that goes on here from people with similar interests that do things differently or with different gear. its a bit of a joke. at the end of the day everyone has their own suggestions and they are ALL equally valid no matter what the hell your using, its missing the point. Seems like you get into an argument for simply trying to help a brother out!

As for the whole "we're bedroom producers and we can't afford it man" debate: f* that! I am a bedroom producer, and i happen to know a turnable is €100 fecking quid so i don't agree with that for a second. anyway I am bored of the analog vs digital debate, gear discussions are for people who don't know how to make music :P

I'd love to chat to loads of you guys on here about tunes and production, if it wasn't for a few idiots spoiling the party by being rude or dismissive of anything that they are unfamiliar with! thats my 2 cents for what its worth :rolleyes:

seannash

DIRTY69 wrote: »

Theres a fecking ridiculous about of slating that goes on here from people with similar interests that do things differently or with different gear. its a bit of a joke. at the end of the day everyone has their own suggestions and they are ALL equally valid no matter what the hell your using, its missing the point. Seems like you get into an argument for simply trying to help a brother out!

As for the whole "we're bedroom producers and we can't afford it man" debate: f* that! I am a bedroom producer, and i happen to know a turnable is €100 fecking quid so i don't agree with that for a second. anyway I am bored of the analog vs digital debate, gear discussions are for people who don't know how to make music :P

I'd love to chat to loads of you guys on here about tunes and production, if it wasn't for a few idiots spoiling the party by being rude or dismissive of anything that they are unfamiliar with! thats my 2 cents for what its worth :rolleyes:

yeah 100 quid then a decent needle.some people dont have turntables at the ready mate or 100 quid for that matter in order to get a kick.

by all means use whatever you want or have but if we read the op's first question he wants to knopw how to do it using ableton

i agree with you about gear discussions being for people who cant make music and alot of waffling goes on but discussions always have two sides and it only turns into an argument when someone decides to throw there toys out of the pram because the other person doesnt like there viewpoint.

instead of accepting the other arguments they decide to get mad and call names.


now im not gonna tell you to join in some discussions and **** because i couldnt really give a toss what people do on this forum but if you want a real super positive friendly forum there are plenty out there

electrogrimey

Record with sample = €12
Turntable = €100+
Good soundcard = €300+

Better sounding Wav/FLAC download = under €5

Someone please explain where the competition is?

DIRTY69

Stick with that then I suppose. I am done with this thread, gonna try and find a production forum some place else methinks.

jtsuited

Chloroplast wrote: »

your trying to tell me justice, daft punk and whoever else go around sampling vinyl all day, yeah.

how the hell did nobody answer this earlier???
have you ever listened to justice and daft punk? they're sample based artists. and they rip from vinyl most of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJPdVVOmbz4

Android 666

jtsuited wrote: »

how the hell did nobody answer this earlier???
have you ever listened to justice and daft punk? they're sample based artists. and they rip from vinyl most of the time.

Wow, I never realised it was so blatant. That's gas...

electrogrimey

Android 666 wrote: »

Wow, I never realised it was so blatant. That's gas...

Not a rare thing. Prodigy do the same thing. The only big original bits in their tracks are the synths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI

jtsuited

ah tbf prodigy do it well.

daft punk are just cowboys. i remember when all the daft punk revelations happened a lot of people defended them saying 'well like taking samples from stuff isn't new'. I wish that that prodigy video had been around to show them how it can actually be done in a creative manner.

oh and btw, I sample kick drums from records. oh and most of the vengeance sample library kicks are vinyl rips.

And the ONE thing people tend to sample is kick drums. Mainly because you're able to get a clean rip of them, and because most likely they've been sampled from somewhere else.

hans aus dtschl

Guys, nobody's saying the ableton answer's wrong: it's perfectly valid, and a great solution (and probably best soluted to the OP, in fact), but giving out that another way of working's "pointless" is pretty odd IMO.

It was AN answer. Maybe not the best, maybe not the most suitable, maybe not you're way of doing things, but it was AN answer.

All I came in here to say is: no functional method is "wrong". If pointfulness were a benchmark, we'd all be striving to create number one pop records, but the majority of us are not.

Opinionated is one thing, shouting people down is another.

hans aus dtschl

electrogrimey wrote: »

Record with sample = €12
Turntable = €100+
Good soundcard = €300+

Better sounding Wav/FLAC download = under €5

Someone please explain where the competition is?

If you're talking about the OP, no competition, this way is obviously easiest.
If you're talking about me, personally, it's like this:
Turntable: €100 (€0 for me)
MPC: €400 (€0 for me)
Mixer: €100 (€0 for me)

PC: €500
Ableton: €500
Good soundcard: €300+

so you see its not so straightforward for everybody.

electrogrimey

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

If you're talking about the OP, no competition, this way is obviously easiest.
If you're talking about me, personally, it's like this:
Turntable: €100 (€0 for me)
MPC: €400 (€0 for me)
Mixer: €100 (€0 for me)

PC: €500
Ableton: €500
Good soundcard: €300+

so you see its not so straightforward for everybody.

I was talking about the OP. I'm not saying vinyl is a bad method, but the OP asked the best way to do it with Reason/Ableton (can't remember which). It has to be said that someone suggesting recording a vinyl in this situation deserves a bit of guff.

ICN

Lets just Kill everybody!

Failing that - There needs to be an actual deathmatch between all the PC & Mac Guys, the Analog & Digital heads & the Sample's & the Samplers.

Lets sort this out once & for all.. :pac:

And definitely -

hans aus dtschl

electrogrimey wrote: »

but the OP asked the best way to do it with Reason/Ableton (can't remember which). It has to be said that someone suggesting recording a vinyl in this situation deserves a bit of guff.

If you say so.
How dare they.

seannash

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Opinionated is one thing, shouting people down is another.

just so im clear am i one of th shouting them down guys?

hans aus dtschl

seannash wrote: »

just so im clear am i one of th shouting them down guys?

Nah I wouldn't say so sean, I'd say the person who wrote
"Why would you want anyone to waste their time recording a kick from vinyl?
pointless!"
possibly was. Maybe they were just a troll. Who knows.