Animal Charities - Do you give to them?

brummytom

I know I might be attacked by a few of the animal-loving nutters people here, but is it just me who finds animal charities pointless?

I was just in a shop, with a woman collecting for some dogs home, standing in front of a community noticeboard with a poster about a fun run for Breast Cancer; I couldn't help but think, 'why would anyone give their money to a bunch of bloody dogs when there's people suffering a lot more?'.


Does anyone agree or am I just a heartless bastard?



Also, I'd class a charity for 'dogs for the blind' as a charity for people, not animals

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I don't give money to any charities... I have enough problems of my own without worrying about other peoples.

biko

They could experiment on the dog to cure breast cancer.

kdave

brummytom wrote: »

'why would anyone give their money to a bunch of bloody dogs'

So they can play poker

SV

brummytom wrote: »

I know I might be attacked by a few of the animal-loving nutters people here, but is it just me who finds animal charities pointless?

I was just in a shop, with a woman collecting for some dogs home, standing in front of a community noticeboard with a poster about a fun run for Breast Cancer; I couldn't help but think, 'why would anyone give their money to a bunch of bloody dogs when there's people suffering a lot more?'.


Does anyone agree or am I just a heartless bastard?



Also, I'd class a charity for 'dogs for the blind' as a charity for people, not animals

So basically what you're saying is.. Only give money to those that are suffering most?
And only if they're human?



A well thought out argument indeed.

brummytom

SV wrote: »

So basically what you're saying is.. Only give money to those that are suffering most?
And only if they're human?



A well thought out argument indeed.

Yeah, that's more or less what I'm saying - prioritise


It's my opinion, it doesn't have to be well thought out

entropi

I dont give to any charity, but one for people in Ireland would be my priority if I did.

perri winkles

I ONLY give to animal charities.

Its us humans that have put these voiceless animals in the situation they're in, through cruelty or disregard. So yes, We need to look out for animals.

To say it is pointless is quite ignorant. It's almost like me saying that I don't like children. Never want any, they should be their parents responsibility, not mine or the states.
Does that mean I think that charities like bernardos are pointless? Nope.

sam34

imo, there are far more deserving charities out there than animal ones

ejmaztec

In before the Makikomi.:pac:

starbelgrade

I gave money for a pussy once.

liah

I would if I had surplus income, over an adult human charity.

Call it pointless or whatever you like; frankly, I don't give a damn. From my experience, animals are the least deserving of the abuses they receive and the situations they end up in. They don't hurt us (excluding the incredibly small minority, who are often ruined by us humans in the first place) or abuse us or show us anything other than devotion and loyalty, and we as a species have consistently spit their complete, utter trust back in their faces.

I feel the same way about animals as about children: they're innocent. They've done nothing wrong, they don't deserve any of the shít they've gone through to be eligible for a charity. They need our help the most because they CAN'T get out of it on their own.

Adult humans I've a lot less sympathy for. I would still donate if I was well off, but if I had to choose between an animal one and a human one? Yeah, animals hands down, thanks. They've fúcked me over an awful lot less, got me through an awful lot more, and are just, imo.. more deserving of help.

Professey Chin

I only give to animal charities simply because they're generally ignored even though they're only trying to help creatures without a voice.
Its humans treating a lot of animals like sh!t even though the animal is only trying to show them loyalty(which is more then youd get from most people).
Im constantly seeing posters,people collecting,fundrasiers etc for every country,disease,1 legged person under the sun but very rarely anything for animal charities which do more for the cause they're representing then a lot of the others which imo seem to exist on more then a smugness then actually helping

Onesimus

It depends, there is nothing wrong with looking after creatures should they be an endangered species that is, but we should always make sure we are not putting them before people.

SugarHigh

perri winkles wrote: »

I ONLY give to animal charities.

Its us humans that have put these voiceless animals in the situation they're in, through cruelty or disregard. So yes, We need to look out for animals.

To say it is pointless is quite ignorant. It's almost like me saying that I don't like children. Never want any, they should be their parents responsibility, not mine or the states.
Does that mean I think that charities like bernardos are pointless? Nope.

You've watched too many disney movies. Most animals love to make **** of each other and would tear you a new arse if they got the chance.

brummytom

I'm afraid I don't understand the whole 'animals don't deserve it' thing?

Do people deserve to live through hell? Over half of the world's population is starving through no fault of their own, and 1 in 3 people develop cancer (the majority, also through no fault of their own).

If I had to choose between helping Terry the Tabby and the Gahiji the starving Rwandan; it'd always be the human I'd help. Neither deserve what they've got, but it just seems slightly disturbing to me that people care more about animals than their own people.

citizen_p

i dont give to charity....i pay taxes and the goverment gives a couple of million in african aid...

but besides that....animal charities like dogs trust/ cat homes etc... are pointless. for an endangered animal....it seems ok

SugarHigh

I'd kill a million puppies just to save one human life.

liah

brummytom wrote: »

I'm afraid I don't understand the whole 'animals don't deserve it' thing?

Do people deserve to live through hell? Over half of the world's population is starving through no fault of their own, and 1 in 3 people develop cancer (the majority, also through no fault of their own).

If I had to choose between helping Terry the Tabby and the Gahiji the starving Rwandan; it'd always be the human I'd help. Neither deserve what they've got, but it just seems slightly disturbing to me that people care more about animals than their own people.

Now you've done it. :P

Animals can't talk. They can't just go over to someone and say "hey, look, help me out here." They get stuck in these situations out of the purest of intentions simply because they're pack-driven and have total, unwavering trust.

I don't think it's something that someone who didn't grow up with animals could really understand. And I don't really mean "family" animals; they never really belong to you. I mean your own personal pet. I don't think you'd be saying that if you'd had one, but maybe I'm wrong and you have, who knows.

But it's the trust thing that's the kicker for me. People? People don't give a fúck about trust. People betray you all the time. They hurt and tear down and destroy the majority of things that come into their wake, intentionally or unintentionally. Animals.. well, in my experience, at least, are just.. pure. It's hard to describe. They have so, so, so much trust in people. To see people discard that because they're apparently not "worthy" simply because they're on four legs or have fur or can't speak is heartbreaking to someone like me.

As I said. It's not something anyone who hasn't had their own could understand, and it's not really something I can explain, but I'm 100% positive an awful lot of people know what I'm trying to say.

phasers

Of course I give to animal charities! I also give to human charities. It's possible to care about both you know.


Ffs, both people and animals are equally deserving of help. This thread is bloody awful, how can people think animals deserve help less than people?

Max Power1

brummytom wrote: »

I'm afraid I don't understand the whole 'animals don't deserve it' thing?

Do people deserve to live through hell? Over half of the world's population is starving through no fault of their own, and 1 in 3 people develop cancer (the majority, also through no fault of their own).

If I had to choose between helping Terry the Tabby and the Gahiji the starving Rwandan; it'd always be the human I'd help. Neither deserve what they've got, but it just seems slightly disturbing to me that people care more about animals than their own people.

Nah, I know who i'd pick. And it would be the animals every time.

IMO - charities for irish people>animal charities>non irish human charites

And ive only ever given money to the first two of those 3

SugarHigh

This thread just reminds me of why I hate animal lovers.:D

perri winkles

To compare animal cruelty and neglect to cancer is ridiculous!

Thats what we're talking about here, cruelty and neglect. That's how these animals get into rescue shelters. And humans are the sole reason for this. Yes, there is cases of stray dogs and the likes, but the majority wind up there because of people.

How is that the same as a disease? Also using the big 'C' word is of course going to evoke emotion out of most people.

Also, the starving people you talk about are also like that as a result of human neglect. Corrupt governments etc.

Now can you see why I care more about a dog, whose loyalty knows no bounds, then about humans who don't give a sh*t about eachother? ?

brummytom

liah wrote: »

Now you've done it. :P

Animals can't talk. They can't just go over to someone and say "hey, look, help me out here." They get stuck in these situations out of the purest of intentions simply because they're pack-driven and have total, unwavering trust.

I don't think it's something that someone who didn't grow up with animals could really understand. And I don't really mean "family" animals; they never really belong to you. I mean your own personal pet. I don't think you'd be saying that if you'd had one, but maybe I'm wrong and you have, who knows.

But it's the trust thing that's the kicker for me. People? People don't give a fúck about trust. People betray you all the time. They hurt and tear down and destroy the majority of things that come into their wake, intentionally or unintentionally. Animals.. well, in my experience, at least, are just.. pure. It's hard to describe. They have so, so, so much trust in people. To see people discard that because they're apparently not "worthy" simply because they're on four legs or have fur or can't speak is heartbreaking to someone like me.

As I said. It's not something anyone who hasn't had their own could understand, and it's not really something I can explain, but I'm 100% positive an awful lot of people know what I'm trying to say.

OK, I can see where you're coming from, I don't agree but I do understand

I've grown up surrounded by animals - we used to have three cats and a hamster, two of the cats died and one ate the hamster so we've only got the one cat left, lovely little thing.

Never been much of an animal person though, each to their own.

I'm not very good at arguing my point, as is blindingly obvious; so I won't even bother, I'm genuinely interested in other peoples' opinions, I'm not trying to force mine on them.



Couldn't call our cat loyal though, he's always buggering off to other houses to get fed, even though we feed him three times a day. Fat fúck

SugarHigh

Max Power1 wrote: »

Nah, I know who i'd pick. And it would be the animals every time.

IMO - charities for irish people>animal charities>non irish human charites

And ive only ever given money to the first two of those 3

It's really ****ed up how you think someone's life is worth less just because their not Irish.

perri winkles

SugarHigh wrote: »

This thread just reminds me of why I hate animal lovers.:D

This thread reminds me why I hate people

SugarHigh

Liah I get the impression that your whole family would have died of rabies because you were too much of a pussy to shoot old yeller.:D

Professey Chin

SugarHigh wrote: »

You've watched too many disney movies. Most animals love to make **** of each other and would tear you a new arse if they got the chance.

SugarHigh wrote: »

I'd kill a million puppies just to save one human life.

SugarHigh wrote: »

This thread just reminds me of why I hate animal lovers.:D

SugarHigh wrote: »

It's really ****ed up how you think someone's life is worth less just because their not Irish.

SugarHigh wrote: »

Liah I get the impression that your whole family would have died of rabies because you were too much of a pussy to shoot old yeller.

This tbh

SugarHigh

perri winkles wrote: »

This thread reminds me why I hate people

Because they make you feel stupid when they point out how ridiculous your opinions are?:p

SugarHigh

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

This tbh

you forgot one.;)

liah

brummytom wrote: »

OK, I can see where you're coming from, I don't agree but I do understand

I've grown up surrounded by animals - we used to have three cats and a hamster, two of the cats died and one ate the hamster so we've only got the one cat left, lovely little thing.

Never been much of an animal person though, each to their own.

I'm not very good at arguing my point, as is blindingly obvious; so I won't even bother, I'm genuinely interested in other peoples' opinions, I'm not trying to force mine on them.



Couldn't call our cat loyal though, he's always buggering off to other houses to get fed, even though we feed him three times a day. Fat fúck

That's cats for you. Not my favourite animal. Selfish buggers.

Dogs are a totally different story and trust me, if you've any sort of heart and you got yourself your own puppy, your mind'd change in a heartbeat.

Onesimus

I remember watching a film one time with some fella who loved grizzly bears, it was called the grizzly man, he treated the bears like they were human and would often behave like them, in the end the bear killed him and his fiance ( who had a great dislike for his behaviour ) sad story, but true to say that we have a tendency to look at and treat animals as humans and place them above humans in general.

SugarHigh

liah wrote: »

That's cats for you. Not my favourite animal. Selfish buggers.

Dogs are a totally different story and trust me, if you've any sort of heart and you got yourself your own puppy, your mind'd change in a heartbeat.

You shouldn't let emotions cloud your judgement so much.

brummytom

perri winkles wrote: »

To compare animal cruelty and neglect to cancer is ridiculous!

Why? I'm not comparing the two situations, I'm comparing the help given to sufferers.

Thats what we're talking about here, cruelty and neglect. That's how these animals get into rescue shelters. And humans are the sole reason for this. Yes, there is cases of stray dogs and the likes, but the majority wind up there because of people.

So should humans be allowed to have any interaction at all with animals if we're such an evil, destructive species? Surely the animals could survive on their own?

How is that the same as a disease? Also using the big 'C' word is of course going to evoke emotion out of most people.

It's not the same by any means, that's my point. It wasn't my intention to 'evoke emotion', as I said in the OP, the woman was standing next to a poster for a cancer charity, and as they're one of the most common charities, it's the first that came to mind.

Also, the starving people you talk about are also like that as a result of human neglect. Corrupt governments etc.

Yes they are, that's not their fault

Now can you see why I care more about a dog, whose loyalty knows no bounds, then about humans who don't give a sh*t about eachother? ?

No, I can't. I thought most humans did care about each other, until I read the replies here

SugarHigh

Onesimus wrote: »

I remember watching a film one time with some fella who loved grizzly bears, it was called the grizzly man, he treated the bears like they were human and would often behave like them, in the end the bear killed him and his fiance ( who had a great dislike for his behaviour ) sad story, but true to say that we have a tendency to look at and treat animals as humans and place them above humans in general.

Yea I seen that too. He was one of these people who humanise animals and then get what they deserve.

IvySlayer

brummytom wrote: »

I'm afraid I don't understand the whole 'animals don't deserve it' thing?

Do people deserve to live through hell? Over half of the world's population is starving through no fault of their own, and 1 in 3 people develop cancer (the majority, also through no fault of their own).

If I had to choose between helping Terry the Tabby and the Gahiji the starving Rwandan; it'd always be the human I'd help. Neither deserve what they've got, but it just seems slightly disturbing to me that people care more about animals than their own people.

It depends on what type of charity. I donate to both, I have an account for Concern, Barnardos and the ISPCA. Should I cancel my ISPCA one? Humans are suffering, only because of humans. Animals are suffering because of us too.

Cats and dogs, possibly in the hundreds and thousands every year are killed.

Onesimus

SugarHigh wrote: »

Yea I seen that too. He was one of these people who humanise animals and then get what they deserve.

well to be honest I felt sorry for him, the guy needed psychiatric help and none of the police ever stepped in and just took him out of there, it should of been illegal to do what he did. Not only that, what really got me upset was that a lovely innocent girl went with him, and she had plans to leave him or something after it, but unfortunately she never made it out alive. *shakes his head*

liah

SugarHigh wrote: »

You've watched too many disney movies. Most animals love to make **** of each other and would tear you a new arse if they got the chance.

SugarHigh wrote: »

I'd kill a million puppies just to save one human life.

SugarHigh wrote: »

This thread just reminds me of why I hate animal lovers.:D

SugarHigh wrote: »

It's really ****ed up how you think someone's life is worth less just because their not Irish.

SugarHigh wrote: »

Liah I get the impression that your whole family would have died of rabies because you were too much of a pussy to shoot old yeller.:D

SugarHigh wrote: »

Because they make you feel stupid when they point out how ridiculous your opinions are?:p

SugarHigh wrote: »

You shouldn't let emotions cloud your judgement so much.

SugarHigh wrote: »

Yea I seen that too. He was one of these people who humanise animals and then get what they deserve.

Are you done? I'm sure you think purposely baiting and trolling people who actually have some sort of empathy is absolutely hilarious. But it's (not even borderline) offensive.

Someone can perceive things differently to you and not be stupid or wrong.

perri winkles

brummytom wrote: »

Why? I'm not comparing the two situations, I'm comparing the help given to sufferers.


So should humans be allowed to have any interaction at all with animals if we're such an evil, destructive species? Surely the animals could survive on their own?


It's not the same by any means, that's my point. It wasn't my intention to 'evoke emotion', as I said in the OP, the woman was standing next to a poster for a cancer charity, and as they're one of the most common charities, it's the first that came to mind.


Yes they are, that's not their fault


No, I can't. I thought most humans did care about each other, until I read the replies here

I dunno how to do that multi quote thing

If you're comparing the help given to both sufferers, then surely the animals could be cut a bit of slack, seeing as a cancer charity would be one of the most, for want of a better word, profitable charities out there.

I'm kind of focusing on dogs becuase you mentioned the woman collecting for them, so no, they couldn't survive on their own. We have bred dogs over hundreds of years to be a domestic animal, once again, I guess you should say it is our own fault. So we can't just suddenly abandon them to fend for themselves.

I do care about other people. But I care a great deal about animals also. As you said you were looking for opinions so mine is that i'd give to an animal charity before I would a human one :P

SugarHigh

liah wrote: »

Are you done? I'm sure you think purposely baiting and trolling people who actually have some sort of empathy is absolutely hilarious. But it's (not even borderline) offensive.

Someone can perceive things differently to you and not be stupid or wrong.

Accusing me of trolling doesn't make me wrong. Choosing animals over people is a completely emotional charged decision.

The idea of feeding a starving dog over a starving child is just messed up.

aDeener

perri winkles wrote: »

I ONLY give to animal charities.

Its us humans that have put these voiceless animals in the situation they're in, through cruelty or disregard. So yes, We need to look out for animals.

To say it is pointless is quite ignorant. It's almost like me saying that I don't like children. Never want any, they should be their parents responsibility, not mine or the states.
Does that mean I think that charities like bernardos are pointless? Nope.

oh dear

thetonynator

perri winkles wrote: »

I dunno how to do that multi quote thing

Press the button to the right of the quote button for all the posts you want to quote and then press post reply on the bottom left,

Run_to_da_hills

I asked one of these collectors for a dogs head after I came up with change of about a euro, he said I needed more, I told him to fcuk off and kept the euro.

Pretty_Pistol

I'd be more inclined to give to an animal charity than a human one. Someone already mentioned the smugness some of the human charities have. The Concern chuggers in Dublin city centre come to mind. They can fuck right off.

perri winkles

aDeener wrote: »

oh dear

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I asked one of these collectors for a dogs head after I came up with change of about a euro, he said I needed more, I told him to fcuk off and kept the euro.

I know the charity you're talking about. They've been all over town for the last few weeks. I have to say, they seem a bit pushy alright. I told one of them that I had bought one already (which I had) and he told me to buy another one "it's only 2euro". Bit cheeky! :eek:

Lollymcd

Horses for courses IMO

People cannot donate to something they are not passionate about, I'm grateful for that as without lots of different people's passion and drive a lot of different very deserving charities would not exist, animal, human or other!!!

Censorsh!t

I'm a big animal lover. But that doesn't mean I will choose animals over people. I give to both animal and human charities.
I don't see the 'pointlessness' and the apparent problem with giving to animal charities. Both animals and humans have a right not to suffer.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Haven't money for any charity at the moment really but when someone asks, and i have spare money, I tend to hand it over whatever the charity (unless it was something completely ridicolous which hasn't really happened)
But if I was asked to prioritise I couldn't see an animal charity to high up there, cancer research and hospice funding would take most. Though I probably would give a bit to a dog pound, and I'd like to see more people going to dog pounds

Samantha666

brummytom wrote: »

I know I might be attacked by a few of the animal-loving nutters people here, but is it just me who finds animal charities pointless?

I was just in a shop, with a woman collecting for some dogs home, standing in front of a community noticeboard with a poster about a fun run for Breast Cancer; I couldn't help but think, 'why would anyone give their money to a bunch of bloody dogs when there's people suffering a lot more?'.


Does anyone agree or am I just a heartless bastard?



Also, I'd class a charity for 'dogs for the blind' as a charity for people, not animals

Well being a 'nutter', I would always donate to an animal charity before a human charity, but then I'm safe in the knowledge that the sane people such as yourself are taking care of the humans on this planet.
I'm assuming since you are so committed to human only charities that you will be taking part in the breast cancer run, a very worthy cause indeed.

Most people have a favourite charity whether human or animal..but don't commend one while disregarding the other.

aDeener

Samantha666 wrote: »

Well being a 'nutter', I would always donate to an animal charity before a human charity, but then I'm safe in the knowledge that the sane people such as yourself are taking care of the humans on this planet.
I'm assuming since you are so committed to human only charities that you will be taking part in the breast cancer run, a very worthy cause indeed.

Most people have a favourite charity whether human or animal..but don't commend one while disregarding the other.

good to see you're admitting being a nutter before anyone else has to call you one. how on earth anyone can give precedence to an animal charity before a human one is simply beyond me.

stovelid

As ever, it depends wholly on the non-annoyingness and/or sexual attractiveness of the charity collector.