I made a video about the history of Irish army rifles

harmoniums

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Stovepipe

Hi there,
Not bad at all.Bit incongruous to have the baby gurgling away in the background;).You didn't mention the Ross and Springfield rifles from the Emergency era.
regards
Stovepipe

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Nice video OP, quite informative. A few things I didn't know that I do now Thanks for that.

harmoniums

Stovepipe wrote: »

Hi there,
Not bad at all.Bit incongruous to have the baby gurgling away in the background;).You didn't mention the Ross and Springfield rifles from the Emergency era.
regards
Stovepipe

Such is family life, I had her in the baby jail, but she just wouldn't nap.
Once she gets to 16 and starts dating, i'll be cleaning those old rifles quite a bit when she has boys over!

BTW what kind of springers did they use during the Emergency 1903a3s?

airvan

Interesting video. You'd be hard pushed to get a collection like that back here. The .303s maybe. But I doubt if the local Super would be happy with an SLR.

I wonder is that 'blonde' No4 is one of the famous Irish contract? I remember seeing one unpacked in Griffith barracks armoury back in the eighties. There must have been few 'blondes' in the batch they sent over to Canada.

Speaking of the Griffith Barracks armoury, ironically it now hosts a creche I think, I understand the baby thing. My two boys are with me now causing havoc. But the three year old was fascinated by your video!

harmoniums

airvan wrote: »

Interesting video. You'd be hard pushed to get a collection like that back here. The .303s maybe. But I doubt if the local Super would be happy with an SLR.

I wonder is that 'blonde' No4 is one of the famous Irish contract? I remember seeing one unpacked in Griffith barracks armoury back in the eighties. There must have been few 'blondes' in the batch they sent over to Canada.

Speaking of the Griffith Barracks armoury, ironically it now hosts a creche I think, I understand the baby thing. My two boys are with me now causing havoc. But the three year old was fascinated by your video!

Yes its one of the PF30000 range rifles, putting in the Irish contract lot.
Quite a steal for 200 dollars!
Next up I'll be showing an old Luger that was probably brought in by Sir Roger Casement from his sub

Bassfish

My Brother-in-law was on the panel of articifers that selected the styer when they were deciding what to replace the FN with.

Morpheus

Steyr is a slightly customised (for ireland) version of the A1 i believe, the only difference with standard A1 is the addition of an Automatic Lock Out (A.L.O.) on the trigger which allows you switch from semi to fully automatic fire.

All are RHS ejectors, much to the chagrin of some southpaws

harmoniums

Morphéus wrote: »

Steyr is a slightly customised (for ireland) version of the A1 i believe, the only difference with standard A1 is the addition of an Automatic Lock Out (A.L.O.) on the trigger which allows you switch from semi to fully automatic fire.

All are RHS ejectors, much to the chagrin of some southpaws

makes sense, it would be a fairly easy trigger block to lock out the extra bit of travel to get you to full auto

Manic Moran

OK. Where the hell did you find the Number 4, and does the seller have any more? I'm willing to drive to SoCal if required.

I've exactly the same scope mount on my FAL/DSA/R1, but I've put a much shorter scope on it, so I can still use stripper clips to load. (I also have the traditional slide top cover if I have a need for it)

As for the AUG, you're going to have a problem as it's banned by name in CA. Your two options are either an MSAR STG-556 (An earlier build, with the integrated scope), but that's not completely compatible with the AUG, or the TPD AXR, which is a lot more expensive and has a rail, but is totally AUG-compatible. Last I checked, the AXR required personal modification before using in CA, the MSAR has kits available for it. (I've an AXR)

I do have a Browning Hi-Power, though... We need to meet up, do a Mk2 version of this video with the extra gear. Maybe in Vegas where we can take the magazines out... (And actually shoot a bit! :P)

BTW, that was a flash suppressor, not a muzzle brake. I've a muzzle brake on mine. (This is how I got my rifle... And it didn't come with a manual)



NTM

It wasn't me!

Ouch. How did you end up doing it, compiling identifiable parts one at a time? Eliminating pieces as you went?

Manic Moran

Pretty much.

The DS Arms website had an exploded view diagram for ordering parts, and I found a rifle manual online, both of which helped greatly. But like any jigsaw puzzle, the difficulty is at the beginning: Once you get going and start identifying a few springs or whatnot, the remainder become much easier as there are fewer choices once pieces get used up.

The only tricky bit is mounting the barrel, which had to be shaved down to result in the piston being top centre after torqeuing. Then you need to determine the size of the locking shoulder because trimming the barrel changes the headspace.

NTM

iceage

Great idea on the MkII Video presentation. SLR FAL and a Browning in the same clip just seems right doesn't it.

Afterthought, With the mention of differing sights for use on the FN FAL, what sight was used by Irish DF? was it the SUIT?

harmoniums

Manic Moran wrote: »

OK. Where the hell did you find the Number 4, and does the seller have any more? I'm willing to drive to SoCal if required.

I've exactly the same scope mount on my FAL/DSA/R1, but I've put a much shorter scope on it, so I can still use stripper clips to load. (I also have the traditional slide top cover if I have a need for it)

As for the AUG, you're going to have a problem as it's banned by name in CA. Your two options are either an MSAR STG-556 (An earlier build, with the integrated scope), but that's not completely compatible with the AUG, or the TPD AXR, which is a lot more expensive and has a rail, but is totally AUG-compatible. Last I checked, the AXR required personal modification before using in CA, the MSAR has kits available for it. (I've an AXR)

I do have a Browning Hi-Power, though... We need to meet up, do a Mk2 version of this video with the extra gear. Maybe in Vegas where we can take the magazines out... (And actually shoot a bit! :P)

BTW, that was a flash suppressor, not a muzzle brake. I've a muzzle brake on mine. (This is how I got my rifle... And it didn't come with a manual)
NTM

Manic, I got about 10 Irish contract unissued no4s
I'll sell you one if you want.
What was the standard issue Browning Pistol? the Mk1?

Manic Moran

I believe the Mk2. Mine's a bit more modern.

Does a long rifle need to be DROSed?

NTM

SlabMurphy

Just wondering, did the Irish Army ever use the Thompson machine gum ?

I vaguely remember in a documentary that when some officers suggest that the Britsh army use them, some old fogey of a general got indignant that the British army should use a weapon that the gangsters of Chicago would use !!!

Manic Moran

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Just wondering, did the Irish Army ever use the Thopmson machine gum ?

The BubbleGum Machine?

NTM

Victor

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Just wondering, did the Irish Army ever use the Thompson machine gum ?

Yes http://www.skynet.ie/~dan/war/equip.htm

harmoniums

Manic Moran wrote: »

I believe the Mk2. Mine's a bit more modern.

Does a long rifle need to be DROSed?

NTM

Not a C&R long gun, if its a FTF.
Next time your down south, look me up

gizmo555

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Just wondering, did the Irish Army ever use the Thompson machine gum ?

David Fitzpatrick, in his excellent biography of Harry Boland, describes how he bought hundreds of Thompsons in the US for use in the War of Independence in early 1921. Apparently, though, fewer than 100 reached Ireland before the Truce. A further 158 were smuggled into Ireland during the Truce, to end up seeing service in the Civil War. Most, however, were seized by US Customs and impounded until 1925, with several hundred eventually finding their way into the hands of the post-Civil War IRA.

I wonder how many, if any, of the 21 weapons listed as being held by the Army in 1940 came originally from Boland's shipments.

concussion

According to a Garda in the Technical Bureau, 400 were shipped across but ended up being impounded and used by the newly formed Garda Siochána.

Manic Moran

harmoniums wrote: »

Not a C&R long gun, if its a FTF.
Next time your down south, look me up

I can't see how it qualifies as a C&R. Far too modern. Might be down your way mid-June.

NTM

harmoniums

Manic Moran wrote: »

I can't see how it qualifies as a C&R. Far too modern. Might be down your way mid-June.

NTM

All surplus Enfields are on the C&R list.
California has an extra requirement that they must also be over 50 years old to be eligible for a FTF transfer.

Manic Moran

Odd.

Customs defines a C&R as something which doesn't use centrefire ammunition, and is dated prior to 1898. That was a bit of a restrictor on what we could bring back from Afghanistan.

However, I don't see the Mk4 #2 on the ATF list: Just a few made in India and some carbines.
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

Still, if it's over 50 years old, could hit the fallback requirement. (Wait, aren't early M-14s over 50 years old now?)

NTM