EU Profiler results

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In the run up to the last elections to the European Parliament, there was a website called EU Profiler available. This like the better known "Political Compass" test placed you using a combination of a standard "Left-Right" Axis and a "Pro-Anti EU Integration" Axis.

The results of that quiz, and explanation of methodology are now available. It allows you to see the results as a "Political compass", "Political Landscape" or "Smart Spider".

The links are:

Quiz results - Click on a country to see the results.

Background with links for methodology etc

censuspro

Does LIB = Libertas?

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censuspro wrote: »

Does LIB = Libertas?

Yes it does.

Ah, those were the days...

Scofflaw

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Yes it does.

Ah, those were the days...

Libertas were fun. Nobody can take that away from them. On the profiler, I see I still come out less integrationist than any of the major parties, which I suspect people may have trouble believing!

cordially,
Scofflaw

nesf

Scofflaw wrote: »

Libertas were fun. Nobody can take that away from them. On the profiler, I see I still come out less integrationist than any of the major parties, which I suspect people may have trouble believing!

cordially,
Scofflaw

Same here. I think they'd struggle to find people more integerationist than the major parties going by those graphs.

evercloserunion

More integrationist than all the parties, more left-wing than all the parties bar the Socialist party...

prinz

More integrationist than the major parties, between FG and FF on the socioeconomic front. Interesting.

BetterLisbon

It says i am 100% eurosceptic and slightly right of centre. Not impressed by the push question on foreign policy.

evercloserunion

BetterLisbon wrote: »

It says i am 100% eurosceptic and slightly right of centre. Not impressed by the push question on foreign policy.

A right-wing euroskeptic... Not impressed with something? I am shocked.

BetterLisbon

evercloserunion wrote: »

A right-wing euroskeptic... Not impressed with something? I am shocked.

Argumentum ad hominem in its purest form.

Scofflaw

BetterLisbon wrote: »

Argumentum ad hominem in its purest form.

Please stay away from these kind of comments - you don't ever get them right. An ad hominem argument would involve evercloserunion dismissing an argument of yours by reference to some personal characteristic of yours that had nothing to do with the argument at hand. A good example would be someone dismissing Catholic teaching on social justice by saying "the Church are all kiddy-fiddlers".

Here, evercloserunion is simply commenting that being against things is something he regards as the defining characteristic of the right-wing eurosceptic position. You may consider that wrong - you may even consider it rude - but it's not an ad hominem argument.

regards,
Scofflaw

BetterLisbon

Scofflaw wrote: »

Please stay away from these kind of comments - you don't ever get them right.

regards,
Scofflaw

The foreign policy question was a push question especially considering Russia's carry on in Georgia. Asking if you think the EU should speak collectively in dealing with other countries is one thing but adding Russia into the question introduces a bias. The response to my comment was designed to attack me rather than the point i was making. Thus it is argumentum ad hominem or "shoot the messenger".

nesf

BetterLisbon wrote: »

The foreign policy question was a push question especially considering Russia's carry on in Georgia.

It's more accurately about Russian Gas and its supply of most of Eastern and Central Europe.

Scofflaw

BetterLisbon wrote: »

The foreign policy question was a push question especially considering Russia's carry on in Georgia. Asking if you think the EU should speak collectively in dealing with other countries is one thing but adding Russia into the question introduces a bias. The response to my comment was designed to attack me rather than the point i was making. Thus it is argumentum ad hominem or "shoot the messenger".

Sigh. "Shoot the messenger" isn't the same thing as ad hominem.

regards,
Scofflaw

sink

Left of centre (economically right, socially left) and as pro Europe as the main parties.

BetterLisbon

Scofflaw wrote: »

Sigh. "Shoot the messenger" isn't the same thing as ad hominem.

regards,
Scofflaw

I think it meets this definition. The validity of my premise that the foreign policy question in the survey was a push question was linked my right of centre eurosceptic charachteristic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem
An ad hominem, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person"), is an attempt to persuade which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise

evercloserunion

BetterLisbon wrote: »

I think it meets this definition. The validity of my premise that the foreign policy question in the survey was a push question was linked my right of centre eurosceptic charachteristic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem
An ad hominem, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person"), is an attempt to persuade which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise

I wasn't attempting to link the validity of your statement to any characteristic of yourself. I was not commenting on your statement at all.

Scofflaw

BetterLisbon wrote: »

I think it meets this definition. The validity of my premise that the foreign policy question in the survey was a push question was linked my right of centre eurosceptic charachteristic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem
An ad hominem, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person"), is an attempt to persuade which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise

Nobody has commented on whether it's a "push" question - indeed, I'm not sure anyone but you knows what that means.

Are you saying that you consider the inclusion of the question 'pushes' a particular point of view?

regards,
Scofflaw

BetterLisbon

Scofflaw wrote: »

Nobody has commented on whether it's a "push" question - indeed, I'm not sure anyone but you knows what that means.

Are you saying that you consider the inclusion of the question 'pushes' a particular point of view?

regards,
Scofflaw

A push question or push poll (illegal in some american states btw.) is where you phrase the question in a manner designed to invite a particular response.

The question in the survey was do you think the EU should speak with one voice when dealing with 3rd countries for example Russia. Now this is a push question as the inclusion of "for example Russia" skews it as it reminds the audience (many eastern european) of the Russian bogeyman and thus might make the audience more likely to buy into the idea of a single EU voice "standing up" to Russia. Why didnt it say New Zealand or Singapore etc.

The question should have been: Do you think the EU should speak with one voice when dealing with 3rd countries. That is a fair question to test peoples view on EU foreign policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll

Scofflaw

BetterLisbon wrote: »

A push question or push poll (illegal in some american states btw.) is where you phrase the question in a manner designed to invite a particular response.

The question in the survey was do you think the EU should speak with one voice when dealing with 3rd countries for example Russia. Now this is a push question as the inclusion of "for example Russia" skews it as it reminds the audience (many eastern european) of the Russian bogeyman and thus might make the audience more likely to buy into the idea of a single EU voice "standing up" to Russia. Why didnt it say New Zealand or Singapore etc.

The question should have been: Do you think the EU should speak with one voice when dealing with 3rd countries. That is a fair question to test peoples view on EU foreign policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll

In other words, you actually do think it's a form of propaganda.

amazed,
Scofflaw

BetterLisbon

Scofflaw wrote: »

In other words, you actually do think it's a form of propaganda.

amazed,
Scofflaw

That particular question was a biased question. Perhaps unintentionally so.

Scofflaw

BetterLisbon wrote: »

That particular question was a biased question. Perhaps unintentionally so.

You should really be put in for some sort of special prize.

awed,
Scofflaw

BetterLisbon

Scofflaw wrote: »

You should really be put in for some sort of special prize.

awed,
Scofflaw

Sarcasm doesnt become you.