New Arizona Immigration bill causing mass protests across the US.

Run_to_da_hills

Tens of thousands of people have joined protests in the US against a controversial anti-immigration law introduced in Arizona.

Apparently under a new bill imposed a cop can pull anyone off the street in if they suspect them of being illegal in the country.

Those in favour of the bill say it will curb the problem Arazona has of illegal immigration while protesters say the law could lead to Hispanics being targeted, and inflame racial tensions.

Under the new rules, those unable to show that they are legally allowed in the US could be given six-month jail sentences and fined $2,500 (about €1900).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8656533.stm

The Aussie

Racial Profiling has been used through out the world for years, the world leaders in it are the Isralies. If it a matter of life and death (ie. fighting terrorism) i have no problem with it, but if its only used to discriminate against minority groups thats where it could go pear shaped for any government.

Mike 1972

The Aussie wrote: »

Racial Profiling has been used through out the world for years, the world leaders in it are the Isralies. If it a matter of life and death (ie. fighting terrorism) i have no problem with it

The family of Jean Charles de Menezes might though.

The Aussie

sometimes running aint the smart thing to do, and with a backpack to boot. If anyone was put in the same position as the police with the events leading upto that day who know how they would react/over react.

Mardy Bum

Emmm I'm going to work there for the summer.....:(

Herb Powell

Not a good thing. Then again I am really skeptical of the anti-immigration debate as a whole (yes, I do know the disadvantages).

Mike 1972

The Aussie wrote: »

sometimes running aint the smart thing to do, and with a backpack to boot.

So are you okay with the police murdering anyone who runs while carrying a backpack or just those of Middle Eastern/South American/Any-other-dark-skinned-type-I-cant-tell-them-apart decent ?

Run_to_da_hills

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Emmm I'm going to work there for the summer.....:(

Where Arazona? :eek:

Have you a valid Green card.

Mike 1972

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Have you a valid Green card.

The colour of his card mightnt be as big an issue as the colour of his skin ?

Mister men

Can't blame then tbh. Arizona has a massive problem with illegals.

Run_to_da_hills

Mister men wrote: »

Can't blame then tbh. Arizona has a massive problem with illegals.

It is also very much a redneck police state from my experience living there.

Mardy Bum

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Where Arazona? :eek:

Have you a valid Green card.

Ah I'll have a working visa for 4 months- J1. Rather have to carry that round with me all day though...

The Aussie

Mike 1972 wrote: »

police murdering anyone who runs while carrying a backpack

Why run?, Ive never had to run from the police, then again ive got nothing to hide, but if i might hazard a guess running from any police force is not the smartest thing to do. as for the "murdering" was anyone charged with his murder or is that just an emotive term.

Mike 1972

The Aussie wrote: »

as for the "murdering" was anyone charged with his murder.

So Stalin never murdered anyone.....all that talk of 70 million is just a lie ?

The Aussie wrote: »

Why run?,.

In a train station.....late for work owing to earlier transport problems...sees a train ..Why run ?........:rolleyes:

You really not well up on how things work in the real world are you ?

Mike 1972

Mike 1972 wrote: »

In a train station.....late for work owing to earlier transport problems.....Why run ?........:rolleyes:

You really not well up on how things work in the real world are you ?

...scared of a MOTHERFÚCKING GUN WIELDING COP would probably do it for me

Mike 1972

Deleted User wrote: »

...scared of a MOTHERFÚCKING GUN WIELDING COP

Go read up on what actually happened and come back to us like a good lad :rolleyes:

Meanwhile can we talk about Arizona again ?

The Aussie

Mike 1972 wrote: »

So Stalin never murdered anyone

You really not well up on how things work in the real world are you ?

what has Stalin got to do with this topic, did he stand trial, was there a inquiry into his actions???

as for the sad chirp on me not being up to thing that happen in the real world i think im two steps ahead of you i think. If a policeman asks you to stop you stop, if a policeman screams at you to stop you most certainly stop even if they dont have firearms

Mike 1972

The Aussie wrote: »

i think. If a policeman asks you to stop you stop, if a policeman screams at you to stop you most certainly stop even if they dont have firearms

Seriously what is it with you people ?

At the risk of repeating myself

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Go read up on what actually happened and come back to us like a good lad :rolleyes:

Meanwhile can we talk about Arizona again ?

The Aussie

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Seriously what is it with you people ?

Dont know, sitting at home bored, filling in time before heading out this afternoon, whats wrong with you???

Mike 1972

Should you not be heading out now just in case you might get delayed somewhere and end up having to commit the capital offence that is running

The Aussie

well if they come near the Kinsale 7's they can clean up, but then again i dont commit "capital offence that is running":pac: although it might explain the amount of overweight people i see, now they have an excuse its an "offence"

BluePlanet

The Aussie is not interested in what happened.
The fact that a racial minority was summarily executed by cops under the banner of "fighting terrorism" is good enough for him.

humanji

The Brazilian lad being killed in London was a case of mistaken identity, not racial profiling. So it's got f*ck all to do with the OP.

Run_to_da_hills

humanji wrote: »

The Brazilian lad being killed in London was a case of mistaken identity, not racial profiling. So it's got f*ck all to do with the OP.

If de Menezes was a British born caucasian he would probably be still alive today.

The trouble with this new legislation, police will be inclined to "witch hunt" and harass those with the wrong coloured skin and just as in de Menezes case will be the ones to suffer.

Mardy Bum

Nearly half of Phoenix is Mexican anyway bar the university campus so how are the police going to monitor everyone and thats not even that far south. Tucson would probably be much more populated by Mexicans and the few people I know over their are Mexican, the cops will have a lot of their hands if they want to question everyone.

humanji

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If de Menezes was a British born caucasian he would probably be still alive today.

The trouble with this new legislation, police will be inclined to "witch hunt" and harass those with the wrong coloured skin and just as in de Menezes case will be the ones to suffer.

de Menezes lived next door to a terrorist suspect and shareed the same front door. He was mistaken for the suspect. That's not racial profiling. That's mistaken identity.

Mrmoe

I can't see a problem with this law. If anything it is a good move. It will force people to go through the proper channels to get into the country instead of doing it illegally.

Run_to_da_hills

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Nearly half of Phoenix is Mexican anyway bar the university campus so how are the police going to monitor everyone and thats not even that far south. Tucson would probably be much more populated by Mexicans and the few people I know over their are Mexican, the cops will have a lot of their hands if they want to question everyone.

With the introduction of the up and coming "real Id card" (HR418) there will be no questioning. One will have to have this RFID signal ommiting card on person 24/7

The authorities will only have to wave a scanner to check if someone has their card or not. Those who do not show on the scanner to have a card can be asked to provide it. (The card could be shielded)

RFID signals can also be picked up through portals in government buildings, shopping malls and transit systems..

dlofnep

The Aussie wrote: »

sometimes running aint the smart thing to do, and with a backpack to boot. If anyone was put in the same position as the police with the events leading upto that day who know how they would react/over react.

I know I wouldn't have shot someone 7 times for looking Brazilian. Given your posts on here, it comes as no surprise that you'd attempt to justify the brutal slaughter of an innocent man.

Mardy Bum

When is the real ID cards meant to come into affect in Az?

Cuddlesworth

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

RFID signals can also be picked up through portals in government buildings, shopping malls and transit systems..

Not possible at the moment. Good scare tactic though.

Jumpy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It is also very much a redneck police state from my experience living there.

Wait ... You lived there but can't spell it?

Run_to_da_hills

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Not possible at the moment. Good scare tactic though.

What makes you think that?

13.56mhz has a current range of around a meter and I believe this is improving. Enough for an inspector to point a scanner at your pocket or within the range of an average portal.

http://www.rfidgazette.org/2005/10/a_comparison_of.html

Jobquiries

Change the thread title! Its killing me

Overheal

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It is also very much a redneck police state from my experience living there.

Shennanigans: you cant even spell it.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Where Arazona? :eek:


New Arazona immigration bill...

Arizona

Fo Real

If you're not an illegal immigrant, then you've nothing to worry about.

I just wish a similar bill was introduced here. It would clear the streets of the foreign criminal scum.

Run_to_da_hills

Fo Real wrote: »

If you're not an illegal immigrant, then you've nothing to worry about.

Unless you forget your ID / passport on an night out.

dlofnep

Fo Real wrote: »

If you're not an illegal immigrant, then you've nothing to worry about.

So being humiliated in front of your friends, because you look Hispanic is nothing to worry about? Having to carry around a passport with you at all times, just incase you get pulled over is nothing to worry about?

"Legal" immigrants are going to feel second class when they start getting pulled over all the time because of their skin colour.

Fo Real wrote: »

I just wish a similar bill was introduced here. It would clear the streets of the foreign criminal scum.

Ah, your true colours come out. Not all foreigners are criminals, and not all criminals are foreigner.

Whatever will we do to clear our streets of local criminal scum?

Run_to_da_hills

"Hillary Clinton says Arizona's new immigration law invites racial profiling and she thinks the state may be overstepping its authority".

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gBlTvezUeOpDW1qd4C4QPJQA2g2AD9FEMMG82

Kivaro

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It is also very much a redneck police state from my experience living there.

If I REALLY lived in a place, I would know how to spell its name.
The ignorance of your statement is astounding.
Where is the 'ignore stupid posts' button?

Overheal

Kivaro wrote: »

If I REALLY lived in a place, I would know how to spell its name.
The ignorance of your statement is astounding.
Where is the 'ignore stupid posts' button?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=101066

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

The Aussie wrote: »

sometimes running aint the smart thing to do, and with a backpack to boot. If anyone was put in the same position as the police with the events leading upto that day who know how they would react/over react.

Running is possibly the best thing to do if you are being chased by somebody with a gun...

Copper could have done an arnie on it though...

Fo Real

dlofnep wrote: »

Ah, your true colours come out. Not all foreigners are criminals, and not all criminals are foreigner.

Whatever will we do to clear our streets of local criminal scum?

I was referring to the illegal immigrants who are technically criminals since they are breaking the law. I don't care if you're a nuclear physicist or a pimp - if you don't have the legal papers to be in my country then please go back to the slum where you came from.

And since you mention our local criminal scum - surely this is more reason to keep illegal immigrants out? We have enough criminals of our own to worry about. You are just getting emotional now because you realise that you're in a minority. Most people do not want immigrants illegally entering their country as evident by the passing of this bill in Arizona. I guarantee that if a similar bill was proposed here, it would pass with flying colours. The politicians just don't want to chance it because they would lose their illegal phillipino house maid. (Didn't a Labour politician over in the UK have an illegal immigrant working in her office?)

K-9

Overheal wrote: »

Shennanigans: you cant even spell it.
Arizona

He was in the hills though.

Mardy Bum

Fo Real wrote: »

I was referring to the illegal immigrants who are technically criminals since they are breaking the law. I don't care if you're a nuclear physicist or a pimp - if you don't have the legal papers to be in my country then please go back to the slum where you came from.

I was with you until your final comment.

CianRyan

I only opened this because I thought it said, Imagination bill.

Nodin

dlofnep wrote: »

I know I wouldn't have shot someone 7 times for looking Brazilian. Given your posts on here, it comes as no surprise that you'd attempt to justify the brutal slaughter of an innocent man.

I think there may be a case of mistaken identity here too...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=283390

The Aussie

dlofnep wrote: »

I know I wouldn't have shot someone 7 times for looking Brazilian. Given your posts on here, it comes as no surprise that you'd attempt to justify the brutal slaughter of an innocent man.

Given your lack of posts on here im not surprised you would not have shoot someone 7 times, different way of thinking i suppose, if your after a good read pick up the book "The Stalker Affair" by Paul Lashmar, it might give you some perspective on the shoot to kill policy, if your going to shoot once you may as well empty on him.

Awaiting your next pearl, but next time can you leave out the tabloid phrases like "Brutal Slaughter"

The Aussie

BluePlanet wrote: »

The Aussie is not interested in what happened.
The fact that a racial minority was summarily executed by cops under the banner of "fighting terrorism" is good enough for him.

Is this a bit of the "we hate the brits" creeping in here again???

Manic Moran

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Apparently under a new bill imposed a cop can pull anyone off the street in if they suspect them of being illegal in the country.

So being humiliated in front of your friends, because you look Hispanic is nothing to worry about? Having to carry around a passport with you at all times, just incase you get pulled over is nothing to worry about?

"Legal" immigrants are going to feel second class when they start getting pulled over all the time because of their skin colour.

This is the biggest misrepresentation about the bill out there. Even under the new law, with one exception which I'll come to, police are not going to be authorised to walk up to someone and say "Papieren, Bitte". Or however you say it in Spanish. The police have to have good cause to be speaking to you in the first place, and then during the course of the discourse, they must then ascertain cause to ask for some evidence of legality of stay. There is no requirement to actually carry papers around with you, for example, if a resident alien, give them your alien number, which they can call in, or, for example in my case (since I've a foreign accent), I can give my military rank and unit, they can call the duty desk for verification (But I always carry my ID anyway).

I mentioned one exception, wherein an officer can actually just pull someone over and make inquiries. This actually has nothing to do with the pending AZ law, and is federal law currently in existance. ICE/USBP personnel have this authority, and often exercise it already in places like AZ. If you've ever driven I-10 along the Southern Border, for example, you will have encountered the checkpoints. The AZ law actually provides no greater powers than existing federal law does.

If there is any cause for legal contention, it's that in theory immigration matters are a Federal issue, not a State one. However, that line has become fuzzy in recent years, especially as the Feds have authorised states to start carrying out some of the immigration-related work simply because they can't do it all themselves.

NTM