BNP leader Nick Griffin, the Irish are part of Britain

IrishTonyO

BNP leader today said that, immigration would be shut except for people needed. However he said the Irish would be welcome,
" because the Irish, as far as we are concerned, are part of Britain and fully entitled to come here."

A very strange policy even for the BNP

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0429/ukelection.html

Dr. Baltar

IrishTonyO wrote: »

BNP leader today said that, immigration would be shut except for people needed. However he said the Irish would be welcome,
" because the Irish, as far as we are concerned, are part of Britain and fully entitled to come here."

A very strange policy even for the BNP

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0429/ukelection.html

Considering Irish can vote in British General Elections, and the British can vote in Irish general elections this is not surprising.
Most people (including Unionists) living on this island consider themselves Irish, and the Unionist people in the North have a strong bond with the British.

Personally, I don't see how this is newsworthy at all?

IrishTonyO

Dr. Baltar wrote: »

Considering Irish can vote in British General Elections, and the British can vote in Irish general elections this is not surprising.
Most people (including Unionists) living on this island consider themselves Irish, and the Unionist people in the North have a strong bond with the British.

Personally, I don't see how this is newsworthy at all?

He said we are part of Britain! Now I am not sure what century you are living in, but Ireland is a Republic, as in it is it's own state and not part of Britain.

Koloman

IrishTonyO wrote: »

BNP leader today said that, immigration would be shut except for people needed. However he said the Irish would be welcome,
" because the Irish, as far as we are concerned, are part of Britain and fully entitled to come here."

A very strange policy even for the BNP

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0429/ukelection.html

I remember seeing an Irish Tricolour at a BNP rally in Liverpool on the news a couple of years ago! I nearly fell of my chair at the time!

It's as if they have forgotten that we broke away from the UK nearly 90 years ago. Someone should tell him that we are not going to change our minds and rejoin the UK!

Thanks but no thanks Nick!

DeVore

Can people born and living in Dublin go and vote in Britain??? Cos thats news to me...

(I probably can, because I was born in Belfast but thats a different thing )



I'm Irish, a Celt... originally a Keltoi. I'm culturally and in many other ways, very different from Anglo Saxon British. Its not about race, I have no issue with them at all as a nationality etc.

DeV.

Koloman

IrishTonyO wrote: »

He said we are part of Britain! Now I am not sure what century you are living in, but Ireland is a Republic, as in it is it's own state and not part of Britain.

Exactly. Leave Northern Ireland out of this debate. When we talk about Ireland in this context we are referring to the Republic only.

DrumSteve

to be honest we'd be complaining if he said we weren't welcome. We're not part of britain though.

Koloman

DrumSteve wrote: »

to be honest we'd be complaining if he said we weren't welcome. We're not part of britain though.

I would prefer if Nick Griffin didn't want us!

Dr. Baltar

This is all about context I think.

Perhaps he was talking about the historic links that we have with the United Kingdom and for that reason we are welcome into the club so to speak?

Anonymous1987

They also want to solve the problems in Northern Ireland by "inviting" the Republic to join the UK :rolleyes:

Koloman

Anonymous1987 wrote: »

They also want to solve the problems in Northern Ireland by "inviting" the Republic to join the UK :rolleyes:

We could rejoin the UK and the following week have an All Ireland referendum on independence! How would that go down in Belfast?

DeVore

Koloman wrote: »

We could rejoin the UK and the following week have an All Ireland referendum on independence! How would that go down in Belfast?

LOL... I love it!



*whistles*.... "dont mind us lads, we're not stayin. We're here to pick up something we left behind... "

DeV.

DeVore

Actually to be honest (and I hate to say it) but that BNP page is actually not completely nuts.
http://bnp.org.uk/policies/northern-ireland/

If Scotland, Wales and NI devolved... I would be happy with a 5 way economic "pact" between all the countries over this direction in the wet stuff

DeV.

Brussels Sprout

DeVore wrote: »

Can people born and living in Dublin go and vote in Britain??? Cos thats news to me...

No, you have to be resident in the UK to vote. It's also open to any residents who are from a Commenwealth country as well as ex-commenwealth counries Fiji and Zimbabwe. I've just moved over here so I found it all out when I registered to vote.

sceptre

DeVore wrote: »

Can people born and living in Dublin go and vote in Britain??? Cos thats news to me...

Assuming they're living in Britain, yes they can. As far as I remember it kicks in after you've been living there for three months (edit: note the post by Brussels Sprout down the page though). Irish citizens resident in Britain can vote in local, national and European elections. They can also vote in assembly elections in Wales or Scottish Parliament elections in Scotland if they find themselves in Scotland or Wales respectively. I don't know if it's the same for NI assembly elections. Also I don't know what the situation is for the rare occasions in which the UK has a referendum, I assume Irish citizens can't vote in these.

(edit, I just noticed your "and living in Dublin" part. In that case, no.)

Anonymous1987 wrote: »

They also want to solve the problems in Northern Ireland by "inviting" the Republic to join the UK :rolleyes:

It's nice to be invited to stuff, even if you don't want to go. I hear some girl in Australia called Kate is having a giant housewarming party...

Dr. Baltar

DeVore wrote: »

Actually to be honest (and I hate to say it) but that BNP page is actually not completely nuts.
http://bnp.org.uk/policies/northern-ireland/

If Scotland, Wales and NI devolved... I would be happy with a 5 way economic "pact" between all the countries over this direction in the wet stuff

DeV.

It would be easier to just join the British Commonwealth.

Brussels Sprout

sceptre wrote: »

Assuming they're living in Britain, yes they can. As far as I remember it kicks in after you've been living there for three months.

I'm only here 6 weeks and I got my polling card this week

Flamed Diving

Griffin is of Irish stock, no?

super_furry

Well could they do worse in charge than Fianna Fail?

robinph

Not aware of there being any time limit before UK/ Irish citizens can vote in Irish/ UK elections. The Irish do get to vote in everything once they are living in the UK though, UK citizens don't get to vote in referendums or for the president (but then the Irish don't get to vote for the president either so thats no biggie). Nothing to stop a citizen of either getting dual nationallity though if they want those extra referendum votes.

Koloman

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Griffin is of Irish stock, no?

Afraid so! Keep it to yourself though!

IrishManSaipan

What about Paul McGrath? Will he be allowed stay in the UK for six months each year?:)

1huge1

Koloman wrote: »

I remember seeing an Irish Tricolour at a BNP rally in Liverpool on the news a couple of years ago! I nearly fell of my chair at the time!

It's as if they have forgotten that we broke away from the UK nearly 90 years ago. Someone should tell him that we are not going to change our minds and rejoin the UK!

Thanks but no thanks Nick!

I don't know, i think that article is kind of out of context.

He has been previously reported as saying he would like ''Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland would be invited to join a "federation of the nations of the British Isles''

True it has the word British in it which alone would annoy some Irish but you could just see it as an economic cooperation between all the countries. See it as a 6 nations besides France and Italy in a way.

Either way this is all idle talk, the man is nuts and as far as I'm concerned they are the British equilivant of Sinn Fein (worse even)

Koloman

super_furry wrote: »

Well could they do worse in charge than Fianna Fail?

Erm....Yes! The BNP are fascists! I could use a lot of choice language to describe Fianna Fail but fascists? No!

Murphj7

That so called egoistic Eoghan Harris will love this

Anonymous1987

1huge1 wrote: »

I don't know, i think that article is kind of out of context.

He has been previously reported as saying he would like ''Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland would be invited to join a "federation of the nations of the British Isles''

True it has the word British in it which alone would annoy some Irish but you could just see it as an economic cooperation between all the countries. See it as a 6 nations besides France and Italy in a way.

Either way this is all idle talk, the man is nuts and as far as I'm concerned they are the British equilivant of Sinn Fein (worse even)

Federation is a political union of sorts, if he wanted economic cooperation he should say it, either way we have the EU for economic cooperation.

Flamed Diving

Koloman wrote: »

Afraid so! Keep it to yourself though!

Perhaps this is how he justifies the internal contradiction, then?

bullpost

I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER.
Groucho Marx
US comedian with Marx Brothers (1890 - 1977)

BroomBurner

He also said the French would be allowed in. Who knew Nick Griffin was a lover of all things Gallic?

What excellent company we would be in...

sceptre

Does he want us all to use the same currency? Le puntpound, pegged 1:1 to the euro?

IIRC Mary I was the last person to control territories in Britain, Ireland and France (well, just Calais) at the same time. Maybe he has a French granny, I'm reminded of the revelation about John Fauntroy V at the end of this movie, little scamp that I am.

bob50

Koloman wrote: »

Erm....Yes! The BNP are fascists! I could use a lot of choice language to describe Fianna Fail but fascists? No!

Whats wrong with fascists ??

anymore

IrishTonyO wrote: »

He said we are part of Britain! Now I am not sure what century you are living in, but Ireland is a Republic, as in it is it's own state and not part of Britain.

I wonder what we would do if UK expelled all irish citizens from UK ?
I think this is a case of looking for a big issue where none exists !
After all how may other countires allow a situation such as the one whereby we have an input into Northern ireland's constitutional situation ?

JustinDee

bob50 wrote: »

Whats wrong with fascists ??

Ask anyone who has survived living behind the Iron Curtain, Spain under Franco or any Nazi-occupied country in the 30s/40s (as my grandmother, mother and aunts survived the holocaust) and you'll find out.

Dannyboy83

Ireland - the land of the Moaning Michaels.
We'll bitch if you don't invite us, and we'll bitch if you do!

Reminds me of the African-Americans who just won't shut up about Racism/Slavery for 5mins and seek the opportunity to feel discriminated against in every situation.:rolleyes:

wes

Meh, who cares what a small facist party says. There not worth the amount of stuff written about them

FTA69

anymore wrote: »

After all how may other countires allow a situation such as the one whereby we have an input into Northern ireland's constitutional situation ?

Eh, they don't really. The northern entity is British, and is as much a part of the UK as anywhere in England. That isn't going to be altered at all, and the southern state has absolutely no influence on that situation.

Hugo Drax

FTA69 wrote: »

Eh, they don't really. The northern entity is British, and is as much a part of the UK as anywhere in England. That isn't going to be altered at all, and the southern state has absolutely no influence on that situation.

I think you'll find the GFA makes provision that the North will only remain a part of uk for as long as a majority of it's citizens wish it to do so.

So it could very well be altered in our life time.

The English would be terrified to hold a referendum in the North on it in case the North actually voted to leave.

As for the South's influence, the South already has massive input into the Governance of the North and ploughs large amounts of money into it.

I don't think the GFA would ever have been signed sealed and delivered without the South's input.

Get your facts straight!

Happy Monday

Nick Griffin is referring to the Irish people living in Great Britain.
Who number some 800,000 ROI citizens.
These are the people who this country forgets about so easily.
He views - and he probably has Irish blood himself - these Irish people as British and they and their children in time do become British.

IrishTonyO

Happy Monday wrote: »

Nick Griffin is referring to the Irish people living in Great Britain.
Who number some 800,000 ROI citizens.
These are the people who this country forgets about so easily.
He views - and he probably has Irish blood himself - these Irish people as British and they and their children in time do become British.

If you read what he says he does not refer to Irish people living in Britain, he says "we are not going to shut the doors to the Irish"

Happy Monday

Hugo Drax wrote: »

I think you'll find the GFA makes provision that the North will only remain a part of uk for as long as a majority of it's citizens wish it to do so.

The English would be terrified to hold a referendum in the North on it in case the North actually voted to leave.

Are you serious?

The British government pumps EUR7bn in to NI every year to keep it afloat - 30% of people in the North work in the public sector - an amount equivalent to 70% of NI GDP is spent on by the UK government up there.

In any poll 35% of Catholics would vote to remain in the UK.
70% of the people in the North would vote to remain in the UK.

The English would welcome NI, Scotland and Wales leaving.
Sinn Fein has the right to call for a referendum but DOES NOT for the reasons above.

Lesson over!!

Hugo Drax

Happy Monday wrote: »

Nick Griffin is referring to the Irish people living in Great Britain.
Who number some 800,000 ROI citizens.
These are the people who this country forgets about so easily.
He views - and he probably has Irish blood himself - these Irish people as British and they and their children in time do become British.

What do you mean "this country forgets about so easily"?

IrishTonyO

Happy Monday wrote: »

Are you serious?

The British government pumps EUR7bn in to NI every year to keep it afloat - 30% of people in the North work in the public sector - an amount equivalent to 70% of NI GDP is spent on by the UK government up there.

In any poll 35% of Catholics would vote to remain in the UK.
70% of the people in the North would vote to remain in the UK.

The English would welcome NI, Scotland and Wales leaving.
Sinn Fein has the right to call for a referendum but DOES NOT for the reasons above.

Lesson over!!

Thanks for the lesson now can we have some sources for the polls you mention, where England says it would welcome the other countries leaving, or are these just opinions you have?

Happy Monday

IrishTonyO wrote: »

If you read what he says he does not refer to Irish people living in Britain, he says "we are not going to shut the doors to the Irish"

Just as well - Irish people who can't get jobs in the civil service here can still find gainful employment across the water.

Still as long as Brian Cowen and the corrupt leadership of this country celebrate 1916 and everything Irish we can still bad mouth those countries than take in the overflow who can't get a cushy public sector job here.

Hugo Drax

Happy Monday wrote: »

Are you serious?

The British government pumps EUR7bn in to NI every year to keep it afloat - 30% of people in the North work in the public sector - an amount equivalent to 70% of NI GDP is spent on by the UK government up there.

In any poll 35% of Catholics would vote to remain in the UK.
70% of the people in the North would vote to remain in the UK.

The English would welcome NI, Scotland and Wales leaving.
Sinn Fein has the right to call for a referendum but DOES NOT for the reasons above.

Lesson over!!

Sorry happy monday, no lesson there.

Just absolute fantasy and garbage.

How do you know what 35% of Catholics would vote for?

I've met an awful lot of Northern Catholics in my time and I never met one that was happy with the North staying in the UK.

You're just imposing your personal preference on the situation.

Just because you want the North to stay part of the UK doesn't mean it will....

Hugo Drax

Happy Monday wrote: »

Just as well - Irish people who can't get jobs in the civil service here can still find gainful employment across the water.

Still as long as Brian Cowen and the corrupt leadership of this country celebrate 1916 and everything Irish we can still bad mouth those countries than take in the overflow who can't get a cushy public sector job here.

You're Kevin Myers or Eoghan Harris aren't you??:D:D

IrishTonyO

Happy Monday wrote: »

Just as well - Irish people who can't get jobs in the civil service here can still find gainful employment across the water.

Still as long as Brian Cowen and the corrupt leadership of this country celebrate 1916 and everything Irish we can still bad mouth those countries than take in the overflow who can't get a cushy public sector job here.

I don't know where you get the idea any of the posts are badmouthing any country, the thread is about Nick Griffen and what he said.

Happy Monday

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Thanks for the lesson now can we have some sources for the polls you mention, where England says it would welcome the other countries leaving, or are these just opinions you have?

http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/sligo/93/today/nationalism_unionism.html

Happy Monday

Hugo Drax wrote: »

Sorry happy monday, no lesson there.

Just absolute fantasy and garbage.

How do you know what 35% of Catholics would vote for?

I've met an awful lot of Northern Catholics in my time and I never met one that was happy with the North staying in the UK.

You're just imposing your personal preference on the situation.

Just because you want the North to stay part of the UK doesn't mean it will....

http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/sligo/93/today/nationalism_unionism.html

danbohan

anymore wrote: »

I wonder what we would do if UK expelled all irish citizens from UK ?
I think this is a case of looking for a big issue where none exists !
After all how may other countires allow a situation such as the one whereby we have an input into Northern ireland's constitutional situation ?

1 , there are more UK citizens here per %of population than Irish in UK

2 we have an input into northern Ireland because it is our land , why the British continue to have an input there is more in question

Happy Monday

danbohan wrote: »

1 , there are more UK citizens here per %of population than Irish in UK

2 we have an input into northern Ireland because it is our land , why the British continue to have an input there is more in question

Because 70% of the people in the North want them to be there - refer to poll.
Also over 90% of people in the 26 county state want them to be there - GFA 1998.

IrishTonyO

Happy Monday wrote: »

http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/sligo/93/today/nationalism_unionism.html

Those figures are between 12 and 20 years out of date.
Plus it is an essay by someone.