ISCH Hannover

fat-tony

Best of luck to Peter Friend who is representing Ireland in the ISCH Air Pistol competition in Hannover starting today 29th. Link http://www.i-s-c-h.de/html/home.html

dCorbus

and to Gary Duff in the 50m Prone .22 Rifle!

psf32

thanks I will be shooting free pistol today, air the next and centre fire on saturday.

peter:)

fat-tony

psf32 wrote: »

thanks I will be shooting free pistol today, air the next and centre fire on saturday.

peter:)

Apologies - mixed up the date - Peter is shooting Free Pistol (50m) at 11.15 (10.15 our time) today Wednesday, Air Pistol at 09.00 (08.00 our time) tomorrow and centre-fire at 07.30 our time on Saturday.
Gary is shooting 50m Prone on Saturday at 08.35 our time.

Kryten

Best of luck Peter!!!!

psf32

Not my best start to my first internation free pistol compertition but once I got my head into gear did finish well, A very good experiance and lots to build on only shot 518 (82,84,85,85,89,93) but have a pb in on my home range of 555.:)

joecoie

Peter, maybe you should take off your stabilisers (see photo) & shoot like a big boy .
Hope you have a better time in AP, & CF & shoot to or above your PB.
And very best to Garry also.
Joe.

fat-tony

psf32 wrote: »

Not my best start to my first internation free pistol compertition but once I got my head into gear did finish well, A very good experiance and lots to build on only shot 518 (82,84,85,85,89,93) but have a pb in on my home range of 555.:)

Look at it another way - it's a new Irish record for Free Pistol

Sandy22

fat-tony wrote: »

Look at it another way - it's a new Irish record for Free Pistol

Not sure about that. I think the score shot by Stanford in Moscow was higher, and unlike rifle, I don't think the Free Pistol target has been changed since.

Bananaman

Jaysus

Let the man revel in the glory of a good innings for a day or two before ye start to pick holes in it.

Well done - best of luck in the other events.

Enjoy yourself and take no heed of these nit pickers.

B'Man

psf32

thanks all shot air this moringin not my best but solid as this my first big comp, put in 557 drop off in the last ten 92,96,95,92,94,90 but a bit to work on again a long way of my pb of 578 but thats done on my local range.

shooting center fire .32 on staurday not shot it with the big pistol now for 6 months so it going to be a but of see how it goes I think.

Peter

It wasn't me!

Nice one. Some pretty solid scores coming in now! Now to see how FLOYDSTER gets on in the prone. Good warm up for the world championships to get the Hanover and Plzen trips in.

joecoie

Well done on AP Peter, 'feast' on the 95 & 96.
Relax now till sat & enjoy the CF.
Joe.

psf32

just seen FLOYDSTER going to train will pop along and some pics soon:)

dCorbus

Make sure to give the floydster our best wishes and wish him luck!
Hope you're enjoying it?

Keep us posted on how you all get on. Thanks.:)

demonloop

psf32 wrote: »

just seen FLOYDSTER going to train

Don't think I've ever seen that :eek:

Unless you mean he was heading to the bar

IRLConor

demonloop wrote: »

Unless you mean he was heading to the bar

Bicep curls are an important part of training.

It wasn't me!

Two 400s shot in Women's 10m Air Rifle. :eek: Now that's a final worth seeing! Shooting a perfect score and finding out you're still only in second coming into the final is going to suck balls. Though for what it's worth, she won it after the final.

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Two 400s shot in Women's 10m Air Rifle. :eek: Now that's a final worth seeing! Shooting a perfect score and finding out you're still only in second coming into the final is going to suck balls. Though for what it's worth, she won it after the final.

Pfeilschifter had 39 inner tens :eek:

And lost :eek:

That's gotta hurt!

It wasn't me!

rrpc wrote: »

Pfeilschifter had 39 inner tens :eek:

And lost :eek:

That's gotta hurt!

Yeah. You'd nearly be more pissed at losing the 40th inner ten than the final! Her final was a 97, which really isn't on form for her at all. Only made a 101.9 Still, that's a day to remember, and another 400 for her collection.

Kryten

With shooters getting perfect score, isnt it time to shrink the target or increase the distance? Like with RF Pistol, they basically changed from .22 short to .22 LR.

IRLConor

They're more likely to change the kit rules again.

Either that or extend the AR40 to match the men's AR60.

It wasn't me!

Kryten wrote: »

With shooters getting perfect score, isnt it time to shrink the target or increase the distance? Like with RF Pistol, they basically changed from .22 short to .22 LR.

I dunno. Perfect scores need to be achievable at the same time. It's not like Joe Soap can do them. You can be world class without ever hitting a perfect score in competition. I think that technical proficiency should mean you can hit the ten, and the rest of it is the head game. Let's face it, shrink the target and these people will still get perfect scores, because that's what they're about; it's not that their technical skill will only get them those scores on the current target.

psf32

The air final was very good to watch and very close the best final I have watched all week. I am shooting my .32 at 8am this morning and FLOYDSTER is on at 9.35 I think.:)

Mr.Flibble

It wasn't me! wrote: »

second coming into the final is going to suck balls.

You've been watching too many Anschutz promotional videos.

It wasn't me!

Best of luck to Peter and Gary. They should both be done now, so hopefully it was a good day for them.

Mr.Flibble

IRLConor wrote: »

Either that or extend the AR40 to match the men's AR60.

That's the most obvious thing to do.

Otherwise, if all matches at this level are now shot on electronic targets, why not score the 40 shots on decimals? It would actually be fairer scoring, and the basic target could be left unchanged for the ordinary domestic shooters.

It wasn't me!

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

That's the most obvious thing to do.

Otherwise, if all matches at this level are now shot on electronic targets, why not score the 40 shots on decimals? It would actually be fairer scoring, and the basic target could be left unchanged for the ordinary domestic shooters.

They're not though. A lot of high level matches use Gehmann boxes and the like, and scoring decimally by hand would be frighteningly expensive in terms of time in that case. Not entirely sure about airgun, but I've a feeling that electronic target changers are still prevalent in some places. There's also a good argument against changing the way you score the shots between domestic and international level from a psychological perspective.

It wasn't me!

Just had word from Gary. He had a 591 with an 8 from a dodgy round! Landed right down at six o'clock. For those who know him, Dave Moore from the Isle of Man had a cracker of a match with a 595.

IRLConor

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

That's the most obvious thing to do.

Also the cheapest, so the least likely to cause complaints.

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

Otherwise, if all matches at this level are now shot on electronic targets, why not score the 40 shots on decimals? It would actually be fairer scoring, and the basic target could be left unchanged for the ordinary domestic shooters.

As said already, not all matches are shot on electronics, but this would certainly be the way to go in a decade or two when electronics become more prevalent.

It wasn't me!

There is also an argument in terms of fairness for keeping the targets as they are. Kit requirements would increase as tighter groups are demanded to get the higher decimal scores. Any good rifle and good ammunition is capable of holding the inner ten ring, but after that, any increase in qualitative performance gets exponentially more difficult. A rifle that holds 10.4 all the time is one thing. A rifle that holds 10.5 is significantly better, and one that holds 10.6 would be the holy grail (in smallbore terms. Air rifles do group better, to about 10.7-10.8). So you still have a variable there, which means there's still an element of chance within the grouping as to where the shot will fall. It's not entirely technically perfect. That's why the separation in terms of inner tens is fairer, in my opinion, because most people will have a rifle capable of holding that, if they've matched decent ammo to it and spent some time testing it. If the entire thing becomes decimally scored, then you'll end up with an arms race, and the focus on the actual skill of the technical shooting, and condition reading, gets distracted somewhat. I don't think there's a problem until you're starting to see perfect scores with perfect inner ten counts on a reasonably regular basis. If you change the target you make it more technical and take the sport out of the head somewhat, which is where it needs to stay.

rrpc

Gary was 30th out of 115 with people like Guy Starik and Christian Lusch just ahead of him. Excellent result even allowing for the dodgy round. Wonder who's about to get a box of ammo pushed into a tight spot?

Peter finished with a 524 in 13th place. Mick Gault won with a 580. Very few competitors; looked like a result sheet from Rathdrum

Nice to see IRL on the results pages once again.

rrpc

IRLConor wrote: »

As said already, not all matches are shot on electronics, but this would certainly be the way to go in a decade or two when electronics become more prevalent.

It's a bit early to be getting excited about perfect scores; since the first time a 400/400 was shot in 2002, it has only been equalled 18 times in ranking competitions (ISCH would not be a ranking competition).

It would only become a possible problem were there to be more than eight people reaching the score in a qualifying round, but the introduction of the inner ten as a tie breaker two years ago makes it easy enough to decide who goes into the final.

When they're all getting 40 inners, then you've a problem

demonloop

To quote someone yesterday, who shall remain nameless, "Tell Duff there was f*ck all wrong with that round"

xesse

where are you getting the results from??

rrpc wrote: »

Gary was 30th out of 115 with people like Guy Starik and Christian Lusch just ahead of him. Excellent result even allowing for the dodgy round. Wonder who's about to get a box of ammo pushed into a tight spot?

Peter finished with a 524 in 13th place. Mick Gault won with a 580. Very few competitors; looked like a result sheet from Rathdrum

Nice to see IRL on the results pages once again.

It wasn't me!

xesse wrote: »

where are you getting the results from??

Here you go, xesse. Some of the results arrived by text before they made it to the website however.

intershoot

demonloop wrote: »

To quote someone yesterday, who shall remain nameless, "Tell Duff there was f*ck all wrong with that round"

I may actually have been a little more colourful than that actually! and in his own words he "shot like a plank!" pmsl....

Aw well.........welcome to my world of frustration Floydster!!

FLOYDSTER

First shot 10.6 second shot 8.7???, I thought wtf!!:mad:, next string was a 98 with 2 x 9.9's!!
Looks like 7 if not all 8 shooters in the final came from the first detail!!, maybe I'll get first detail next year! lol, some nice shooting even though!, 599 x 600 is a result no matter how calm it is!!

Lets hope Plzen goes a little better!:D

It wasn't me!

Good luck in it Gary, give us a shout and let us know how you get on. Any idea when you're shooting yet?

rrpc

FLOYDSTER wrote: »

First shot 10.6 second shot 8.7???, I thought wtf!!:mad:, next string was a 98 with 2 x 9.9's!!
Looks like 7 if not all 8 shooters in the final came from the first detail!!, maybe I'll get first detail next year! lol, some nice shooting even though!, 599 x 600 is a result no matter how calm it is!!

Lets hope Plzen goes a little better!:D

What ammo was it FLOYDSTER? Name and shame

Nice shooting nontheless. You missed an exciting indoor match, but I'd say you would have traded it for the 591 in Hannover given the choice

psf32

I think he was using tenx and it was a long way out of the group

It wasn't me!

rrpc wrote: »

What ammo was it FLOYDSTER? Name and shame

Nice shooting nontheless. You missed an exciting indoor match, but I'd say you would have traded it for the 591 in Hannover given the choice

Batch-tested Tenex I believe! :eek:

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Batch-tested Tenex I believe! :eek:

Batch testing doesn't imply better quality ammo, just ammo better suited to your rifle.

We both know a guy who used never use rounds from the outside layer of the box because he reckoned it was most likely to be damaged by coming in contact with the side of the box. There's more room for movement in the centre and less likelihood of contact causing damage.

It wasn't me!

rrpc wrote: »

Batch testing doesn't imply better quality ammo, just ammo better suited to your rifle.

We both know a guy who used never use rounds from the outside layer of the box because he reckoned it was most likely to be damaged by coming in contact with the side of the box. There's more room for movement in the centre and less likelihood of contact causing damage.

Hehe, true enough. And lord knows this sport is where you meet those most eccentric of characters!

FLOYDSTER

I had some really nice RWS a few years ago that I had batch tested!, now and again it would throw in a nice 6 at 6 o'clock!!:eek:

intershoot

For Sale; I may have some cheap Tenex for sale in a few weeks so if anyone is interested give me a shout!! It has shot reasonably well at international level.

Wanted; Anyone got any RWS??? :rolleyes:

rrpc

FLOYDSTER wrote: »

I had some really nice RWS a few years ago that I had batch tested!, now and again it would throw in a nice 6 at 6 o'clock!!:eek:

You really should go through each box of ammo before you use it. Each round has the score marked on it and with top level stuff, the 8's will really stand out

sbw

rrpc wrote: »

You really should go through each box of ammo before you use it. Each round has the score marked on it and with top level stuff, the 8's will really stand out

It's very hard to tell how much primer is inside the round by looking at the outside of the case.

FLOYDSTER

intershoot wrote: »

For Sale; I may have some cheap Tenex for sale in a few weeks so if anyone is interested give me a shout!! It has shot reasonably well at international level.

Wanted; Anyone got any RWS??? :rolleyes:

Very funny!!, this tenex shot the 597 at Rathdrum and several 590+'s, its not going just yet!!;)

fat-tony

Best of luck in Plzen!