Cash hit gardai want to work as bouncers

Run_to_da_hills

Currently it is against the law for Gardai to work part time in the private security industry which would include bouncer. Gardai want this law changed as they are feeling the pinch and could do with the extra income.

Would this be a good idea?

From a security point of view you could be sure Gardai would be very prompt in responding to a call if their part time collegues are having hassle at a night club door.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/cashhit-gardai-want-to-work-as-bouncers-2152669.html

cson

Coppers looking for new staff I'm guessing? :P

Edit: They'd be better served getting the finger out in their primary jobs before they start taking on extra work.

TheZohanS

Given their line of work, the last thing you want is the Gardai being strapped for cash.

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cson wrote: »

Coppers looking for new staff I'm guessing? :P

Edit: They'd be better served getting the finger out in their primary jobs before they start taking on extra work.

There isn't enough :rolleyes: on the internet for this statement...

cson

Aaron Harsh Jury wrote: »

There isn't enough :rolleyes: on the internet for this statement...

In a statement made to Gor-dai... /Jim Fahy voice.

Ah go on, give it a blast I'm sure you can fit more than one rolleyes in a post.

Blobby George

I am not sure if I would be comfortable with extra intelligence around while I'm out drinking.

dunleakelleher

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

From a security point of view you could be sure Gardai would be very prompt in responding to a call if their part time collegues are having hassle at a night club door.

While ignoring calls from non member door staff, just to up the profile of these gardai/bouncers to club and pub oweners. You can be dam sure that in a year or two the gardai/bouncers would be charging twice the rate of normal bouncers and every club would have to have one.
Also if one of these gardai/bouncers were assaulted on the door would they still be looking for the 12 year mandatory sentencing.

I have yet to meet a poor guard

alwaysadub

Sitec wrote: »

Jesus i'd hate to see the power trip they would be on.

Normal bouncers are bad enough.

Was thinking that myself.what you would get away with with a bouncer, might get you arrested by a bouncer who's main job is in the Gardai. It'd be hard for them to draw the line between being a bouncer and being a Garda.

Jaxxy

alwaysadub wrote: »

Was thinking that myself.what you would get away with with a bouncer, might get you arrested by a bouncer who's main job is in the Gardai. It'd be hard for them to draw the line between being a bouncer and being a Garda.

Yeah I'd have to agree. If a bouncer who was also in the Gardaí thought there was trouble and called in a few buddies for back up you can rest assured there would only be one side of the story the back up will be listening to.

Some bouncers say that they can't get involved in altercations/problems outside of their pub/club boundaries, you'd have to wonder if a Gard working on the door would have the same approach. Also I don't particularly feel the desire to start carrying my passport/driver's licence around town again. You'd have to imagine that Gards on the door would be much more strict in that regard too.

DubMedic

The herald as a source? come on, you can do better than that!!.

strobe

TheZohan wrote: »

Given their line of work, the last thing you want is the Gardai being strapped for cash.

I agree with you, the same applies to politicians. But does anyone else feel kind of uneasy about the fact most people will say without any hesitation "if the gardai are short of cash they will take bribes" completely manner of factly?

Run_to_da_hills

DubMedic wrote: »

The herald as a source? come on, you can do better than that!!.

Here.

ScumLord

What if one of them saw you off your noodle in the club and then spent his days following you around waiting to catch you with something.

They could end up picking up some unhealthy grudges against allot of people.

MitchKoobski

If a bouncer throws someone out its seen as "Ah ya wanker, throwing me out i'm not that bad.", and said drunk will saunter off.
If a part time garda throws him out he will immediatly start shouting "ASSAULT!! ASSAULT!! BEING ASSAULTED BY SOME GARDA!!"

It would be a disaster.

RoundTower

you can already hire them (in uniform, and officially) if you are putting on a concert or a football match, so why not for a nightclub?

Fuk that. Ya never know what could happen on a night out and I don't want to get into a situation with a guard who will fuk you. Would never go near the place..

I've never actually been in a fight by the way.

Run_to_da_hills

More than likely if Gardai get permission to work as bouncers they would prefere to work among themselves rather than with a security firm, is there room for this?

I know of one security firm in Ennis that is currently struggling, one bouncer is now down to working just one night a week from three in the past. A lot of pubs are now hireing direct rather than dealing through security firms.

Kasabian

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More than likely if Gardai get permission to work as bouncers they would prefere to work among themselves rather than with a security firm, is there room for this?

I know of one security firm in Ennis that is currently struggling, one bouncer is now down to working just one night a week from three in the past. A lot of pubs are now hireing direct rather than dealing through security firms.

Poor Kevin

minidazzler

RoundTower wrote: »

you can already hire them (in uniform, and officially) if you are putting on a concert or a football match, so why not for a nightclub?

Because who wants to go to a night club where there is a couple of guards dotted around the place making sure you are in order.

Also, they are more expensive than regular security and an endless supply of tea and biscuits is required!

cson

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I know of one security firm in Ennis that is currently struggling, one bouncer is now down to working just one night a week from three in the past. A lot of pubs are now hireing direct rather than dealing through security firms.

My heart bleeds.

Is there any other job in the world where you get paid to be a bollocks?

--LOS--

A garda being a bouncer to me says assault is legal.

Gardai are pretty much on the bouncers side anyways, imagine what it would be like with a garda bouncer.

Nijmegen

There's a number of reasons, good reasons, why police are not and generally should not be allowed to double job.

1. Conflict of interest, for the police officer/Garda and their colleagues in dealing with situations
2. Potential to bring the force into disrepute, and undermine the authority of uniformed Gardai

The Gardai are relatively well paid, and nobody joins the force blind to the pay scales nor the restrictions on other activities, such as political activism. Once you're a Guard, you're exclusively a Guard, pay cuts not withstanding.

Any Gardai taking a bribe, on a seperate note, because of pay cuts or in general, should be dealt with in as heavy handed a manner as allowed by independant watchdogs assigned to oversee their activity. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Run_to_da_hills

lonad wrote: »

Poor Kevin

He had pretty much the town covered 10 years ago.

biko

Garda has greater powers than bouncers, would they be allowed to use them in a private capacity?

DublinWriter

Nijmegen wrote: »

There's a number of reasons, good reasons, why police are not and generally should not be allowed to double job.

Well, police in the US are allowed to work a maximum number of hours in other employment, a lot of them do barwork.

Nothing wrong with the occasional double (bar) tap.

Nijmegen

DublinWriter wrote: »

Well, police in the US are allowed to work a maximum number of hours in other employment, a lot of them do barwork.

Nothing wrong with the occasional double (bar) tap.

:-) Depends on the force. The US is not a good comparible example, given its dispirate police forces at all levels up and down the local, state and federal nation.

I would daresay also that the police in the US have been involved, per capita, in more questionable incidents involving, you know, beating the hell out of people, than elsewhere.

Run_to_da_hills

DublinWriter wrote: »

Well, police in the US are allowed to work a maximum number of hours in other employment, a lot of them do barwork.

Nothing wrong with the occasional double (bar) tap.

In the US Bouncers (Security personnel) can carry guns :eek:

IvySlayer

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

In the US Bouncers (Security personnel) can carry guns :eek:

Anyone can carry guns over there...

RMD

Some bouncers are bad enough, last thing I want is some Garda naming every law under the sun I'm "breaking" for being a bit rowdy. They'd be on a serious powertrip.

yoshytoshy

I thought security was what gardai done when they retired ,I've met a few retired guards who have up-market security consultancy/business.

It would be fine for things like security for music venues and the like ,wouldn't like to see off duty gardai hanging around pubs.

El Siglo

There's not enough jobs for the rest of us and now the gardai want a second job?

Rabble rabble rabble civil servants rabble rabble dey tuk ur jobs rabble rabble rabble...

RMD

cson wrote: »

My heart bleeds.

Is there any other job in the world where you get paid to be a bollocks?

How hypocritical, tarring the entire bouncer community as bollockses, you don't come across as one yourself.

DublinWriter

Nijmegen wrote: »

I would daresay also that the police in the US have been involved, per capita, in more questionable incidents involving, you know, beating the hell out of people, than elsewhere.

Per capita, eh?

I'll see your Rodney King and raise you Donegal, The Battle of Temple Bar and Shell-to-Sea.

Maybe more members could work as taxi-drivers in lieu of doing the Advanced Driver Course?

El Siglo

DublinWriter wrote: »

Per capita, eh?

I'll see your Rodney King and raise you Donegal, The Battle of Temple Bar and Shell-to-Sea.

Maybe more members could work as taxi-drivers in lieu of doing the Advanced Driver Course?

The best of the Gardai: Landsdowne Road, 1995... never so proud to see a skull getting cracked in all my life!:D

Run_to_da_hills

IvySlayer wrote: »

Anyone can carry guns over there...

Not necessarly, any blemish on your record including many public order offenses could prevent you from holding a firearms license. Bouncers in particular would be screened and regulated.

smcgiff

Re conflict of interest - Assuming the Gardai work in their general locality, how can they be a bouncer one night and then check for the likes of after hours on another night at the same premises.

Run_to_da_hills

smcgiff wrote: »

Re conflict of interest - Assuming the Gardai work in their general locality, how can they be a bouncer one night and then check for the likes of after hours on another night at the same premises.

I know of one pub not too far from Ennis run by retired Garda detective, they fon't have any problem with security or dealing with after hours.

sdanseo

Not a good idea. If a Garda had to stop and arrest every single person they saw doing drugs in a club they'd be inundated and never have a chance to do their second job at all. Bouncers will simply kick you out and ignore the rest, Gardaí don't have that luxury, they're compelled to intervene if the need arises or at least report all illegalities.

stepbar

Oh come on.... it's quite obvious that the GRA are now scraping the barrel in order to provoke a responce from the Government.

RTE.ie wrote:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0426/garda.html
Delegates are demanding a reversal of the pay cuts and pension levies and the right to negotiate directly with their employer.

questioner

including allowances whats a young garda likely to take home in a year? and how much overtime are they allowed do?

starbelgrade

They could work as bouncers in some of the cities - but not in small towns that don't have 24 hour shops for them to get their sambos for breaktime.

dunleakelleher

questioner wrote: »

including allowances whats a young garda likely to take home in a year? and how much overtime are they allowed do?

The average garda wage in 2008 was €1,207.24.
So you can see how they are caught for a bob or two.

http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

cson

RMD wrote: »

How hypocritical, tarring the entire bouncer community as bollockses, you don't come across as one yourself.

How is hypocritical? Or do they not teach the meaning of words in Bouncer College? I've conducted studies, and 95% of the time Bouncers are bollockses all the time. :cool:

Riddle101

Leave the security to the prefessionals(Bouncers) I say. There's no need for the Gardai to be working the doors of nightclubs. let them do their real job and enforce the law. You wouldn't see bouncers arresting criminals, so the Gardai shouldn't be working as bouncers.

MagicSean

dunleakelleher wrote: »

The average garda wage in 2008 was €1,207.24.
So you can see how they are caught for a bob or two.

http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

Thats a load of crap. Read the part about how those stats are found. Those stats include every rank from garda to commissioner. They include all overtime and do not incorporate the pension levy or pay cut.

questioner

k_mac wrote: »

They include all overtime .

wrong.

perhaps you might enlighten us as to what the median wage of a young garda is?


i think its disgraceful and bordering on extortion for the GRA to hang the threat of garda corruption over us in order to secure concessions. Additionally if i was a member i would be highly insulted at an insinuation of corruption. hard enough to gain the trust of the public as it is without morons destroying the organsitions reputation from within.

and people do too much ranting about the pension levy etc anyway, we live in deflationary times that and oh yeah - THE COUNTRYS BROKE

MagicSean

questioner wrote: »

wrong.

perhaps you might enlighten us as to what the median wage of a young garda is?


i think its disgraceful and bordering on extortion for the GRA to hang the threat of garda corruption over us in order to secure concessions. Additionally if i was a member i would be highly insulted at an insinuation of corruption. hard enough to gain the trust of the public as it is without morons destroying the organsitions reputation from within.

and people do too much ranting about the pension levy etc anyway, we live in deflationary times that and oh yeah - THE COUNTRYS BROKE

Actually I'm right. There's a second figure for non-overtime listed. I think its around €1050 or something. The gross pay for a garda with 2 years service and no overtime is €650 a week including all weekly allowances. Monthly shift allowances work out at about €65 a week and pension deductions are about €60. Income levy is around €15. So you can see why the figure on the CSO site is wrong. By about 100%. But hey, who wants the truth anyway? It's not as interesting.

questioner

k_mac wrote: »

Actually I'm right. .

you are, i was looking at the lower figure.

Im looking at the gra figures and i make someone on 2 years experience + rent allowance to be approx 730 gross not including misc allowances/ overtime. and not including levies.

Supplementary benefits have to play a big role as well, whats the rate of interest at the garda credit union? Medical ? dental?

do they pay for further education as well?

i guess what im trying to say is that the gardai have a good number, their job is tough but hey they knew that before they signed up and everyones job is tough. thats why its called work.

I reckon the gardai who want to be allowed work extra jobs are those who thought they might start their own private fiefdom and over exposed themselves in the property market. i know of about 5 members in my own time who have any amount of shoddy student houses.

If recruitment was to open tomorrow i can only imagine the surge of applications and you can be sure that none of them would complain about the pay or be looking to work extra jobs.

MagicSean

questioner wrote: »

Im looking at the gra figures and i make someone on 2 years experience + rent allowance to be approx 730 gross not including misc allowances/ overtime. and not including levies.

Supplementary benefits have to play a big role as well, whats the rate of interest at the garda credit union? Medical ? dental?

I'm looking at my payslip. I think it's more accurate.

Garda Medical is more expensive than VHI. In addition most Gardaí need to invest in various critical illness and injury schemes as there is a high risk of injury on the job.

Credit Union lending rates are good for car loans and students but nothing spectacular. I couldn't tell you the savings rates.

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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Would this be a good idea?

If you've ever been in anywhere in the US where off duty cops act as bouncers (Houston is an example) you'll know what a terrible idea this is. Most uncomfortable feeling ever, made worse by the fact that they are in uniform and armed.

questioner

k_mac wrote: »

I'm looking at my payslip. I think it's more accurate.

i guess it would be, although you could have offered that info a couple of posts ago and saved me some fruitless searching.

I also see that you've made no remarks on :

1. whether gardai should be allowed moonlight

2. whether or not you think its acceptable for the GRA to hold the threat of corruption as a bargaining chip

3. whether or not you personally are insulted by the insinuation (by your own representative body) that you might be susceptible to corruption due to financial hardship