Could rock stars today get away with this?

Riddle101

In the 80's and 70's there were certain bands that used to have an unusual type of dress code. Kiss and Motley Crue being the most notable. But in this day and age I don't really know of any bands that would dress they way they did. Maybe you could get away with that stuff back then, I don't know. But my question is Could a rock band today dress up in flamboyant outfits and outragous attire and not get a lot of stick for it, or would they be laughed at for dressing differently. Of course it dosen't matter what way they dress as long as they can perform well, but it's something I wondered about while watching old videos of Motley Crue today. Is it just because music today, ain't what it used to be, or because it's not the 70's and 80's anymore. I just think it would be a little refreshing seeing a new rock band with a good image, that dosen't look so generic like you do see with bands today.

mike65

Hadn't thought about this funnily enough! True though, the 70/80s was often about flamboyant presentation then the flipping grungy/shoe gazers/baggy shorts brigades took over. I dunno if you'd get laughed out of town (or the record companies office) if you turned up a la Kiss/Alice Cooper or even Judas Priests Gay rocker look but it might count against you unless you had one hell of a demo and a known live following.

juanjo

Well it was the glam way back then, but nowadays you have pretty decent "outfits" in the so called R&B scene (lady gaga?), plus guys like slipknot, daft punk...

The darkness made a bit of a revival of the glam look couple of years ago...

Max Power1

Steel Panther anyone?

candy-gal1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJXRtXTkrEo

FTW

candy-gal1

Max Power1 wrote: »

Steel Panther anyone?

ah beaten to the post!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8kXNuIrn4

D1976

EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THIS BOOK

Motley Crue - The Dirt

http://www.amazon.com/Dirt-Confessions-Worlds-Most-Notorious/dp/0060392886

It is unbeliveable the stuff these guys got up to

RayCon

Apparently the Scandanavian countries have a growing Glam Rock scene .... check out this song - it's excellent - it's the best song RATT / Skid Row never wrote !! ..

Crashdiet - Generation Wild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSlKQrciTNw

slavetothegrind

RATT fair enough, but where the feck are you going with skid row?
They are much better than this!

If i had a banhammer you'd get a light warning poke!:D

deman

Marilyn Manson?

Damo123

Mortiis...???

RayCon

Song lads ... not image ... listen to the song.

Skid Row similarity - Youth Gone Wild

Karl Hungus

Riddle101 wrote: »

In the 80's and 70's there were certain bands that used to have an unusual type of dress code. Kiss and Motley Crue being the most notable. But in this day and age I don't really know of any bands that would dress they way they did. Maybe you could get away with that stuff back then, I don't know. But my question is Could a rock band today dress up in flamboyant outfits and outragous attire and not get a lot of stick for it, or would they be laughed at for dressing differently. Of course it dosen't matter what way they dress as long as they can perform well, but it's something I wondered about while watching old videos of Motley Crue today. Is it just because music today, ain't what it used to be, or because it's not the 70's and 80's anymore. I just think it would be a little refreshing seeing a new rock band with a good image, that dosen't look so generic like you do see with bands today.

Depends really. Maybe not so much over here, but in other countries.

Take the Japanese Visual Kei scene for example, their styles are probably more elaborate and flamboyant than a lot of the classic glam rock bands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psId_XfCriQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-MBaKqSFhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmU3DlokIqY

Karl, using an excuse to post Japanese music videos? Why I never!

PeterIanStaker

That japanese stuff is cool

cypharius

What about Black Metal, have you seen the getups that bands like Gorgoroth have?

Karl Hungus

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

That japanese stuff is cool

An excuse to post more? Sure!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiuGsOZ4MF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWvZx5gso0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huQtZDtGIDE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbQ_0phSBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ZRy71vivk

Riddle101

Hmm, seems there were more flamboyantly dress bands then I thought, but the thing about those bands are. Do they have the success around the world as The Crue or Kiss? In Scandaniavian countries and Japan, as well as their follower, they tend to accept that kind've thing. But I do wonder about the world wide audience, whether they would embrace flamboyantly dress bands as they did in the past.

Karl Hungus

Riddle101 wrote: »

Hmm, seems there were more flamboyantly dress bands then I thought, but the thing about those bands are. Do they have the success around the world as The Crue or Kiss? In Scandaniavian countries and Japan, as well as their follower, they tend to accept that kind've thing. But I do wonder about the world wide audience, whether they would embrace flamboyantly dress bands as they did in the past.

There's a fair bit of worldwide success for the Japanese bands, in the last few years especially, a lot of them have fairly big tours around Europe, as well as some shows in the US and even places like South America. We don't get to see them in Ireland, or even in the UK (bar a few festivals), so a lot of media and the like wouldn't pick up on them.

Catari Jaguar

Oh yeah.. bands look waaay cooler/ less gay these days...

Riddle101

cherub rock wrote: »

Oh yeah.. bands look waaay cooler/ less gay these days...

Haha, I agree. But then again, if anything EMO proves my point of why it might be hard for bands to dress flamboyantly. These bands don't really dress much different to us, yet get a lot of slack because they look like twats. So if these guys can get can get a load of sh!t because of the way they look, then what about guys who dress up as if they were in Kiss?

Karl Hungus

Riddle101 wrote: »

Haha, I agree. But then again, if anything EMO proves my point of why it might be hard for bands to dress flamboyantly. These bands don't really dress much different to us, yet get a lot of slack because they look like twats. So if these guys can get can get a load of sh!t because of the way they look, then what about guys who dress up as if they were in Kiss?

I think the main reason those guys get a lot of criticism is because of their music, and people criticize their appearance as an after thought.

Karl Hungus

For no other reason other than it's awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEzOhw61Pjg

And this is their latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvs6GcacLtU

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Depends really. Maybe not so much over here, but in other countries.

Take the Japanese Visual Kei scene for example, their styles are probably more elaborate and flamboyant than a lot of the classic glam rock bands.

please tell me that one on the right's a chick?


hadn't heart of steel panther before this thread, definitely going to be buying that album. fat girl is awesome

Karl Hungus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

please tell me that one on the right's a chick?

Are you up to the challenge? :pac:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i hate you

Malice

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Are you up to the challenge? :pac:

That picture probably deserves its own thread! Out of curiousity do you know the answer? It'd be interesting to see how many guesses I'd need before I got it right .

After careful deliberation I'm going to guess it's

the picture on the bottom right.

Karl Hungus

Malice_ wrote: »

That picture probably deserves its own thread! Out of curiousity do you know the answer? It'd be interesting to see how many guesses I'd need before I got it right .

I had posted it up on my social group the other day (sign up if you think you can handle it! Need more sick and deviant minds to join the ranks.), but yeah, probably does need a whole thread all to itself. And yeah, I do know the answer. Knew it pretty much right away, but to be fair, I do know most of the musicians in that pic anyway.

Malice_ wrote: »

After careful deliberation I'm going to guess it's

the picture on the bottom right.

Wrong. You're now gay for Yoshiki from X Japan.

Still, mega talented guy to be gay for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFLq4QLIp4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z22nSEgrAQI

neilthefunkeone

Warlords of Pez.. Just plain strange!!!!

Vomit

Star Bingo

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

please tell me that one on the right's a chick?

lol! the Hizaki trap. he's gorgeous isn't he.. notice how the only one u wouldn't go for is a chick.

joking :pac: theres only 4-5 dudes there i'd go for. if they were chicks

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

just to add, that steel panther album is absolutely ****ing fantastic

Star Bingo

Star Bingo wrote: »

notice how the only one u wouldn't go for is a chick.

no.. turns out 'rose' is in fact Yoshiki. from X japan.

very good, ur maliciousness.

Star Bingo

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Are you up to the challenge? :pac:

ok.. much deliberation .. top> 2nd from right. no, top> centre. if not, then 2nd from right. :mad: third choice is the joker


-maybe whacking off to em will reveal the answer? back with a 5th attempt tomorrow if theyr all dudes k ;-



EDIT: 5th choice - or, er - the possible female - is at the bottom in blue. back w/ a 6th tomorrow =

EDIT: christ what a dyke. scratch that 5th 'entry'.

Star Bingo

.. ah.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-163786/japanese-musicians/?pg=3

so i got i right! no need to confirm karl :P

Karl Hungus

Ah ya feckin' cheater! :eek:

DazMarz

Wait, there was REALLY only ONE GIRL in that whole collection....................................

In the immortal words of Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: Holy Fúckin Shít...

They all look so... effeminate!!! I don't know any rock band that looks that androgynous! Even Poison at their very worst, it was still fairly obvious they were blokes!!!

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Karl Hungus

Yep, there really was only one girl there. And yeah, those Japanese lads really out-do anything in glam rock.

DazMarz

Again, to quote Paulie: Holy fúcking shít...

I think that it's not so much the appearance that they'd not get away with nowadays, it's the behaviour. The mental excesses that they indulged in back then. It's not seen as trendy or cool anymore, IMO. People look at musicians on drugs and so on, and they're not leaders/avant-garde/hip or anything... They're "mess", "junkie", "scum" etc. I don't think what flew 20-30 years ago in a lot of categories would fly now.

Karl Hungus

DazMarz wrote: »

I think that it's not so much the appearance that they'd not get away with nowadays, it's the behaviour. The mental excesses that they indulged in back then. It's not seen as trendy or cool anymore, IMO. People look at musicians on drugs and so on, and they're not leaders/avant-garde/hip or anything... They're "mess", "junkie", "scum" etc. I don't think what flew 20-30 years ago in a lot of categories would fly now.

I don't think I really agree there, I mean people look at how the bands carried on back then and judge it in hindsight now, but there's still a huge element in pop culture of glorifying musicians and artists that debase themselves. Take a look at the obsessions over people like Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse for example. I think it's more a case that Rock isn't as much in the public eye as it was, and the media has shifted focus to pop and indie people who are acting out and behaving as much as the rockers of old would have.

DazMarz

Karl Hungus wrote: »

I don't think I really agree there, I mean people look at how the bands carried on back then and judge it in hindsight now, but there's still a huge element in pop culture of glorifying musicians and artists that debase themselves. Take a look at the obsessions over people like Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse for example. I think it's more a case that Rock isn't as much in the public eye as it was, and the media has shifted focus to pop and indie people who are acting out and behaving as much as the rockers of old would have.

But these "pop stars" and so on nowadays (the above two eejits being prime examples of this) are far more derided than the likes of Slash, Nikki Sixx and so on were back in the day. Plus, rockers made drug use leerily "cool" and so on.

Saddos like Doherty (the ultimate waste of my precious fúcking oxygen out there) and Winehouse (a waste of skin) are made fun of constantly and are only seen as ''cool'' by a very small hardcore of deluded fans.

Karl Hungus

DazMarz wrote: »

But these "pop stars" and so on nowadays (the above two eejits being prime examples of this) are far more derided than the likes of Slash, Nikki Sixx and so on were back in the day. Plus, rockers made drug use leerily "cool" and so on.

Saddos like Doherty (the ultimate waste of my precious fúcking oxygen out there) and Winehouse (a waste of skin) are made fun of constantly and are only seen as ''cool'' by a very small hardcore of deluded fans.

To be entirely fair to Winehouse, her music is not really my kinda thing, but she is (or rather way) quite a talented singer, moreso than a lot of her contemporaries. You have to ask yourself, if the likes of Dohery made the kind of music you loved, would you still feel the same way about them? I'm sure there's plenty of fans of other kinds of music that would think similar things about "dirtbag rock musicians" or such?

As I see it, a lot of what behavior we find acceptable (or at least, we ignore if we don't find it acceptable) in rock is usually because we like the music, and those individuals we consider very talented. An extreme example of this is Varg Vikernes, a lot of people would consider him a murdering neo-nazi arsonist scumbag, but then a lot of people would also consider him an extremely talented person.

kona

I think it depends on the country you are from as to what you can get away with, Ireland is too small and backwards for fellas to get accepted and the music accepted. Sure this country is full of sheep, very few people here will actually break from the norm and follow bands that are edgy because they dont want to be labelled a "EMO" or whatever, its kinda sad.

However Id cite Lady GaGa as a Prime example of how if you can somehow get around the crap stigma(Posibly because shes apparantley a woman), her style is heavily influenced by the Crue and other Glam bands from the 80s, even her songs you can hear the influence. The has a song boysboysboys for gods sake!!! LOL

DazMarz

Karl Hungus wrote: »

To be entirely fair to Winehouse, her music is not really my kinda thing, but she is (or rather way) quite a talented singer, moreso than a lot of her contemporaries. You have to ask yourself, if the likes of Dohery made the kind of music you loved, would you still feel the same way about them? I'm sure there's plenty of fans of other kinds of music that would think similar things about "dirtbag rock musicians" or such?

As I see it, a lot of what behavior we find acceptable (or at least, we ignore if we don't find it acceptable) in rock is usually because we like the music, and those individuals we consider very talented. An extreme example of this is Varg Vikernes, a lot of people would consider him a murdering neo-nazi arsonist scumbag, but then a lot of people would also consider him an extremely talented person.

Very true point, I'll admit.

If your idol goes on like an eejit, you'll more likely forgive it as a flight of fancy or something and won't be so quick to judge.

... I still think Doherty and Winehouse are tools tho!:D

Beekay

Wes Borland does it


And Munky to a lesser extent


I know it's not to the same degree as Kiss etc. but just a few more modern examples of make up dress up being used by Rock bands

Max Power1

+1 on the "Reckless Love" plug - saw them being played on kerrang recently. What a band!