Do the illuminati rule the world ?

TalkieWalkie

Are there hidden forces ruling the world ?

Just a poll to see what percentage of people think there is or not an Illuminati, new world order type control system ruling the world at present.

digme

It's your world,so how can they rule it?

TalkieWalkie

digme wrote: »

It's your world,so how can they rule it?

Well that is debatable and probably deserves it's own thread on another forum. I just wanna get a general consensus on this

digme

Do they pull the levers inside your head?

LiNgWiStIkZ

I don't know about the illuminati or any other world order, but I truly believe that the governments alone aren't doing the running. The big corporations gaining billions and billions in revenue each year are obviously playing a part in how today's world works.

twitch1984

yes the illuminati r still in a big existance but they dont rule the world!
the jews rule the world because they r the money men and money makes d world go round.

digme

twitch1984 wrote: »

yes the illuminati r still in a big existance but they dont rule the world!
the jews rule the world because they r the money men and money makes d world go round.

Shylock's :mad:

Lab_Mouse

twitch1984 wrote: »

the jews rule the world because they r the money men and money makes d world go round.

not up to scratch on that CT as I have been permabanned from the stormfront website:pac:

The world defo do with governments putting in mechanisms to stop corporations having the influence they do.

Truthrevolution

twitch1984 wrote: »

yes the illuminati r still in a big existance but they dont rule the world!
the jews rule the world because they r the money men and money makes d world go round.

What Jewish family do you think is the most powerful family of them all???

Truthrevolution

LiNgWiStIkZ wrote: »

I don't know about the illuminati or any other world order, but I truly believe that the governments alone aren't doing the running. The big corporations gaining billions and billions in revenue each year are obviously playing a part in how today's world works.

And who do you think owns these corporations?

Underpaid Mike

Truthrevolution wrote: »

And who do you think owns these corporations?

the shareholders?

Michaelrsh

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Are there hidden forces ruling the world ?

... gravity isn't really a hidden force to be honest.

LiNgWiStIkZ

Truthrevolution wrote: »

And who do you think owns these corporations?

Apart from the shareholders, that's a good question.

mysterious

They have been since the fall of Atlantis. But not for long.

The illuminati have the power because they knew the ancient knowledge of the past and kept them within the secret soceties that run today. The reality and society we exist in is controlled and under their authority. The pyramid system etc. They are so far ahead of mainstream knowledge it's unreal!... It would just boggle an average person's mind.

People get confused as to who and what are they. They are just "you" but illuminated. The beings and entities are normally beings who resent the heaven's or still have karma to deal with here on this world before they move to higher densities. They did not learn (nor did most of us) that last time when Atlantis fell. The last 12000 years in darkness, was the expense of them keeping as much power and knoweldge from us as possible about our true origins.


It is us that has to take the power back. We have help from the cosmos at this time.


They cannot rule the world after 2012. Who's taking over? Earth herself.

Michaelrsh

mysterious wrote: »

They have been since the fall of Atlantis.

...?

m'kay.

mysterious

Erm yes.....

Atlantis!

Michaelrsh

mysterious wrote: »

Erm yes.....

Atlantis!

Are you mixing up mythology with reality?

Denerick

Yes, clearly. Don't dare refute my logic.

bonkey

Man...talk about a thread going downhill rapidly.

Any chance of a civil discussion between interested parties?

mysterious

Michaelrsh wrote: »

Are you mixing up mythology with reality?

You are taught Mythology on the history channel and in the classrooms. It's why you associate alot of what you don't really know or understand in depth and pulls alot of your curositity on subjects such as Atlantis as a myth. Meanwhile it's known to many of us as another part of our history.

I'm in reality and can decipher fantasy from reality.

studiorat

mysterious wrote: »

You are taught Mythology on the history channel and in the classrooms. It's why you associate alot of what you don't really know or understand in depth and pulls alot of your curositity on subjects such as Atlantis as a myth. Meanwhile it's known to many of us as another part of our history.
I'm in reality and can decipher fantasy from reality.

Sounds like freemason talk to me...

Denerick

mysterious wrote: »

You are taught Mythology on the history channel and in the classrooms. It's why you associate alot of what you don't really know or understand in depth and pulls alot of your curositity on subjects such as Atlantis as a myth. Meanwhile it's known to many of us as another part of our history.

I'm in reality and can decipher fantasy from reality.

You forget about books, dear lad. Methinks thats part of the problem :rolleyes:

Brown Bomber

Denerick wrote: »

You forget about books, dear lad. Methinks thats part of the problem :rolleyes:

Missed the ^^^^^ "civil discussion" ^^^^ part then?

DeVore

Does it honestly look like ANYONE is running this world?

We're f*cked, the planet is going to be f*cked and the short comings of capitalism are being exposed.


So, no. No one is running this merri-go-round.

DeV.

TalkieWalkie

DeVore wrote: »

Does it honestly look like ANYONE is running this world?



DeV.

Umm, yeah, from my perspective they are not doing a great job, but from theirs, I'm sure it's going famously well.

DeVore

If you assign "whatever outcome comes", retrospectively as their "intent" then anyone can be made to look like "puppetmasters"... but can anyone really tell me what having the world dive into chaos, skirt a third world war, crash the monetary system they supposedly created and run, would benefit anyone?

Seriously... if someone is running the world, they suck at it.


DeV.

studiorat

Seriously... if someone is running the world, they suck at it.


DeV.

That's because they are too busy spreading disinfo and attending secret meetings and ceremonies. What's a lizard to do? there's not enough hours in the day.

TalkieWalkie

DeVore wrote: »

If you assign "whatever outcome comes", retrospectively as their "intent" then anyone can be made to look like "puppetmasters"... but can anyone really tell me what having the world dive into chaos, skirt a third world war, crash the monetary system they supposedly created and run, would benefit anyone?

Seriously... if someone is running the world, they suck at it.


DeV.

It is possible that it could benefit someone/s who gets off of creating chaos, mayhem, suffering, pain, misery, death subsequently creating lots of negative energy which they could use for who knows what.
If this was the plan, I'd say they are doing an excellent job, wouldn't you ?

DeVore

How does anyone who's interests tend that way, ever get into a position of "running the world". And it couldnt be a single person anyway... it would have to be a group of well positioned people AND they would have to be powerful, so wrecking the place is going to remove a lot of their power etc...

When you are on top of the hill.... its where most people fight to stay.

DeV.

DeVore

The last 60 years havent been all that great for "the Jews" I think you'll find. Still aint a bed of roses truth be told...

I think Lehmann is a jewish name, neh?

DeV?

studiorat

He say's there's a conspiracy? Oy! whadda ya know there is. They even have their own secret yiddish shrug.

From the people who brought you banking...

http://www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com/

Community, Industry 'Deli.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Why are you so afraid to say what you really mean?

I think I know. Because you can't back it up.

Nope, it's because I'd probably be banned if I did. :cool:

uprising2

DeVore wrote: »

Does it honestly look like ANYONE is running this world?

We're f*cked, the planet is going to be f*cked and the short comings of capitalism are being exposed.


So, no. No one is running this merri-go-round.

DeV.

Did you ever join the masons?

Post5

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055755922

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71299

nullzero

This a truely pointless thread and poll.

People who believe in the Illuminati etc are going to say yes and argue against those who will vote no and do not believe in the illuminati.

There'll be a lot of thinly veiled abuse between the two camps and the authority will as always come down heaviest on those who are known "CTers".

There's already a heap of conclusions being jumped to in this thread.
It is however a great example of how stupid forums are sometimes, it's right up there with games consoles fanboy's arguing about Xbox being better than Playstation, it might be entertaining for those involved, but in reality the whole thing is about as interesting as paint drying...zzz.

TalkieWalkie

nullzero wrote: »

it might be entertaining for those involved

Good.

nullzero

Denerick wrote: »

Lets just be honest here. We know what the subtext of this argument is. Its the Jews, innit? The fecking Jews. Controlling the world n' that. Fecking Jews.

What's a Jew?
Not being smart, just asking for a decent response.
Surely the Catholics are just as bad if not worse.
And what about the Muslims?

Oh yeah, they're all the same, funny that eh?

Jew's aren't memebers of a ethnic minority of some sort.
They're part of a religious group which anyone can join.
In fact "the Jews" like all other religions believe that their religion is the one true faith and that everyone should be part of it.

Anyone who believes all Jews knew about 9-11 and stayed out of their WTC offices that day is an idiot.
Some powerful people are Jewish yes, others are Catholics, others are Muslims and so on.

Nice work on trying to paint everyone who believes in the Illumiati etc... as an "anti semite".
Very clever, never seen it done before, if only the ADL had thought of that previously, oh wait they had.

nullzero

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

G.

Look, the context of your post was completely lost in my quote response too.

humanji

uprising2 wrote: »

Did you ever join the masons?

Post5

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055755922

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71299

DeVore is of course free to answer if he wishes, but this really is none of your business.



Right, wasn't about earlier to clean this up, so I'm only getting to it now. Everybody, start behaving!

Brown Bomber

DeVore wrote: »

If you assign "whatever outcome comes", retrospectively as their "intent" then anyone can be made to look like "puppetmasters"... but can anyone really tell me what having the world dive into chaos, skirt a third world war, crash the monetary system they supposedly created and run, would benefit anyone?

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller, 1994.

DeVore wrote: »

Seriously... if someone is running the world, they suck at it.

Not Goldman Sachs.

Major competitor dissapeared. AIG government bailout money, pays to be Obama's biggest contributor I guess.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

He say's there's a conspiracy? Oy! whadda ya know there is. They even have their own secret yiddish shrug.

From the people who brought you banking...

http://www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com/

Community, Industry 'Deli.

Was there a point to this post?

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

That's because they are too busy spreading disinfo and attending secret meetings and ceremonies. What's a lizard to do? there's not enough hours in the day.

Funny how on the one hand dismiss disinfo as a non-entity and on the other use disinfo to support your point.

Kepti

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Not Goldman Sachs.

Major competitor dissapeared. AIG government bailout money, pays to be Obama's biggest contributor I guess.

Goldman Sachs was just accused of fraud by the federal government. How do you explain that one?

The donations from Goldman Sachs were from individual donors who happened to work or had spouses who worked there, not the company.

The University of California was Obama's largest contributer.

WakeUp

One look at the world we live in today, to anybody with their eyes open, will show you that yes there are indeed powers at work shaping and manipulating the world as we know it, all in a horrible bad way, but always working towards their final goal.

Somebody once said that intelligence is the awareness of ignorance.

The year is 2010, mankind has set foot on the moon, man made probes have landed on Mars, our technology has never been more advanced we can do all sorts of great stuff,or so we are told. As a species we are civilised, we look out for each other, we are motivated by helping our fellow man, our goal is to better develop as a race and help mankind develop as individuals all for the better, right????

wrong.

Our "civilisation" is full of hate. It is full of war. It is full of famine. It is full of lies. It is full of misery. It is designed to stress you out and fook you up. It is broken, actually it was never anything other than broken we've never been civilised.

Why?

Because the "people", the actually seedy, manipulating horrible bastards behind the scenes want it this way, and they are winning at the moment the clock is ticking, time is not on the side of what's good in this world.

Albert Pike was chosen in the 1850's by the illuminati to organise their operations in the States and then the world. If you want to know more about him google him or something I wont go into great detail about this scumbag, but he is a major part of what and why things are the way they are today.

He devised a plan on behalf of the illuminati for world domination. He was a free mason.

He required that communism, naziism, political zionism and other international organisations be created then mobilised, with the end goal being the creation of three world wars.

The First world war was instigated by the "enlightened" ones to overthrow the Tzars of Russia and turn the country into a bastion of atheistic- communism. When the war ended communism was further built up to destroy other governments and religion in that part of the world.

World war two was designed to have the nazi facists face off against political zionists. The end goal was the creation of Israel in Palestine.

World war three has already begun people just dont realise it yet. It wont be till the first nuke goes off that people will actually get it, by then it will be too late if it isnt already. Zionism is squaring off against the Moslem/Arab world. The idea is both sides obliterate each other dragging the rest of the world into the fight until each side fights themselves into a state of exhaustion, physically, mentally, spiritually and economically.

Why are they stockpiling seeds in Svalbard at an alarming rate?

Why are vast underground bases being constructed all over the world?

Why are they building massive prison camps above level in the States?

When world war three has ended those who aspire to world domination will in Pikes own words " provoke the greatest cataclysm the world has ever known" . I have no idea what he means by this but its a safe bet it aint good. That quote is taken from a letter which is housed in the British Museum library, London, England.

In conclusion are the illuminati pulling the strings? you better believe it and time is running out. Choose to ignore the obvious and we are all finished as a species, as a race, as a "civilisation".

Time to choose the clock is ticking.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Funny how on the one hand dismiss disinfo as a non-entity and on the other use disinfo to support your point.

What point? That lizards are too busy to make plans for tea?

Apologies if you acutually thought I was taking the discussion seriously, I wasn't. Too much "open your eyes" going to warrant meaningful discourse.

bonkey

For the record, Denerick was banned and some infractions were handed out yesterday, for the spat that humanji cleaned up

Brown Bomber

Kepti wrote: »

Goldman Sachs was just accused of fraud by the federal government. How do you explain that one?

Show trial

6 Billion dollars after a 1 million contribution is worth creating a few scapegoats for.
Goldman Sachs Reaps $6B After $1M Obama Contribution
http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/03/10/top_stories/doc49b61e46e935b133022700.txt

Kepti wrote: »

The donations from Goldman Sachs were from individual donors who happened to work or had spouses who worked there, not the company.

Yes as is the case for all companies as all companies are legally prevented from making direct campaign contributions so their PAC's do it for them.

Kepti wrote: »

The University of California was Obama's largest contributer.

The same University of California that gave us the Manhattan Project and they are still involved in Los Alamos today which recieves 2.2 billion dollars annually from the state.

Truthrevolution

studiorat wrote: »

What point? That lizards are too busy to make plans for tea?

Apologies if you acutually thought I was taking the discussion seriously, I wasn't. Too much "open your eyes" going to warrant meaningful discourse.

What is the point in taking part in a discussion if you are not going to take it seriously?

DeVore

Yes, I did join the Masons. Then 3 years later, I left.

They are nothing but a nice bunch of old men living in the past. Of course, I would say that.

I'm not going to get into it here because I dont think anyone will believe me except that I will say that despite the fact that I could easily swing some major bonuses in sales for companies... I was never approached about using my position here in Boards. In fact I dont remember ever talking about what I do for a living in three years.

I wasnt asked any political questions and I suspect many of them would radically disagree about politics.

In the end I simply left and stopped paying my dues and I'm 100% happy that while they are a bit odd, they are completely harmless and pleasant old men. But then either I would say that, or I didnt get to see enough (which is also rubbish).

Anyway, thats all off topic and beyond intending to write a summation for that thread (and have been for some time), I'm not going to get into an uninformed debate on my private life.

DeV.

Torakx

Well i am glad to hear there was no dark ceremony i was not sure wether they did one for sure or not.Since they are harmless old men i presume there was nothing dark at all.Although that means all the garments and ceremonies they have been vaguely known for are false.I would love confirmation of that but realise you might not want to talk about that out of respect.
I think once people have the chance to join and not have to do any mind altering ceremonies its fair because you can know what your getting into.

I still hold my thoughts on the suspicious nature of the higher echelons of these orders in some places.Im sure like a majority of churches you got real bad mofo's and then some real nice people.
I just reckon the bad guys are mainly corrupted through money and power and for the most part would reside at the top like some churches i have been a part of, i see it possible there too and consider that to be linked with illuminatti.
The most vile person i have ever met was a former employer of mine who was quite rich and liked to show it,He used to talk to one of the employees in a really dirty way and comment on his lovely lips!Ended up in court for harrassing girls etc and then try screw me out of my rundundancy lol.I know thats only one case but i consider the theory about money and power corrupting to be a good one for the majority of people who are easily suggestable or just plain unbalanced and ignorant.

mysterious

DeVore wrote: »

Yes, I did join the Masons. Then 3 years later, I left.

They are nothing but a nice bunch of old men living in the past. Of course, I would say that.

I'm not going to get into it here because I dont think anyone will believe me except that I will say that despite the fact that I could easily swing some major bonuses in sales for companies... I was never approached about using my position here in Boards. In fact I dont remember ever talking about what I do for a living in three years.

I wasnt asked any political questions and I suspect many of them would radically disagree about politics.

In the end I simply left and stopped paying my dues and I'm 100% happy that while they are a bit odd, they are completely harmless and pleasant old men. But then either I would say that, or I didnt get to see enough (which is also rubbish).

Anyway, thats all off topic and beyond intending to write a summation for that thread (and have been for some time), I'm not going to get into an uninformed debate on my private life.

DeV.

Thanks for sharing. I don't want to know about your private life or debate it, But why did you want to join and why were you asked? Could you please answer these questions at least?

I think its a general question I'd like to know why many , people want to know as to how or why some get approached like in your case. You don't have to be specific or reveal anything you don't want too. Cheers.

Darlughda

Okay havent read through this thread thoroughly, but nonetheless, no matter how simplistic it sounds there is one thing from my own study of history and politics that seems to be true:

Some people will do anything for power, and there is no end to bad stuff they will do to maintain and further their position and status.

One part of me thoroughly agrees with DeVore's outcry of who the hell is running this world into the ground and why would they bother to do such an inept job, BUT

on the other hand,

Power is something that has motivated and driven people since the dawn of time... so I am not sure.

Mad cabaal of evil auld men or disorganized mess of wannabes?

mcmoustache

Darlughda wrote: »

Mad cabaal of evil auld men or disorganized mess of wannabes?

The second one.