we have FPP for a concrete house but now want a wood house

CamperMan

Hi,

we have full planning permission granted for a 2400 sq ft house built of concrete blocks, your typical construction.

However, almost 2 years have gone by since we first bought the land and over that time we have thought about building a nice eco friendly wooden house, so a complete redesign would be on the cards, would we have to go through the whole planning process again? what is the procedure, would there be complications?.

Some ideas we like are shown on this page

http://momeld.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/rural-studio-3-masons-bend-housing/

clancon d

hi..well i would first recommend going back to the architect who got you the planning at the start.. and as its a total change of build type i would think you need to apply for an alteration in your planning application as the finish and look of the property will also change.

Edit: Do not advertise your building company on any other post or I will ban you.

sydthebeat

timber clad houses tend only to be granted permission in woodland areas....

have a pre planning meeting before you do anything...

CamperMan

sydthebeat wrote: »

timber clad houses tend only to be granted permission in woodland areas....

have a pre planning meeting before you do anything...

Thanks,

we have a forest directly behind us, and some forests in the immediate area..

(Co. Leitrim)

sinnerboy

You don't need timber cladding to be "eco" . Perhaps your existing design can be realized in compliance with your PP if you consider a timber frame house with wood fibreboard externally and lime render

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.architectnews.co.uk/files/image/article/full_354.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.architectnews.co.uk/steico-launches-lime-render-system-cms-354&usg=__UOldrFJLFCP3UcCtP7yi1AnDXKU=&h=405&w=300&sz=34&hl=en&start=67&sig2=D15xXzW1LlPrx2qUFk74jQ&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=GbQRvBKVav5xYM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlime%2Brender%2Bover%2Btimber%26start%3D54%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=v2rTS-v1KoGQOOHC3OgN

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sinnerboy

http://constructireland.ie/Articles/Case-Studies/Irelands-first-eco-village-starts-to-take-shape.html

CamperMan

sinnerboy wrote: »

You don't need timber cladding to be "eco" . Perhaps your existing design can be realized in compliance with your PP if you consider a timber frame house with wood fibreboard externally and lime render

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Thanks ..

you mention the external walls, what would the internal walls be made of?

sinnerboy

Timber studs and plasterboard

CamperMan

sounds great...

would we have to run this by the planning department, we want to keep the building dimensions the same and the design the same, just the materials used for the build would be different

sinnerboy

no shouldn't have to except if

1. the drawings lodged or
2. the grant of permission has a condition stating external materials must be "local stonework" or some other form of words to tie down your choice of external materials .

If the drawings state just "render" and the PP grant is not prescriptive then there is no PP issue .

CamperMan

in the conditions, it states,

In the event of a preference to use stone and/ or brick, the planning authority would advise the use of natural stone local to the area.

sinnerboy

In that case ask your architect for a formal clarification from the LA

Explain your preference is for neither stone or brick - but render . You need to obtain in writing that the LA find this acceptable .

CamperMan

seems that due to a condition on the grant, we have to build the house as per plans, and this mentions typical block cavity construction

If we want to change the materials we would have to resubmit the application and it could be refused under the tough new pollution regs.

sydthebeat

CamperMan wrote: »

seems that due to a condition on the grant, we have to build the house as per plans, and this mentions typical block cavity construction

If we want to change the materials we would have to resubmit the application and it could be refused under the tough new pollution regs.

I dont know who you are talking to.... but id definitely get a second opinion.

If the "we have to build the house as per plans" is a reference to the first condition that is usually stated as "the development shall be in accordance with the plans and particulars submitted"... then whomever is advising you is mistaken.

If you are planning on changing any of the 'significant' external finishing materials then yes, you do require permission, but none of your posts state this...

Planning deals with the design of the building.... Building Control deals with compliance with building regulations. These are two separate entities contained within the build environment of the local authority.

Planning CANNOT (and to reinforce... CANNOT) condition you to build in a particular method of construction. Its your legal responsibility to build in accordance with the building regulations.


Secondly, "new pollution regs"....?????!?!?!??.... are they referring to the EPA code of practise for wastewater treatment systems for single houses??
If so, theres no reason not to predict that if the application passed the first percolation test, it couldnt pass a second.

CamperMan

the idea sinnerboy had mentioned is the way we would have like to have gone


You don't need timber cladding to be "eco" . Perhaps your existing design can be realized in compliance with your PP if you consider a timber frame house with wood fibreboard externally and lime render

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgur...v1KoGQOOHC3OgN

Mellor

clancon d wrote: »

hi..well i would first recommend going back to the architect who got you the planning at the start.. and as its a total change of build type i would think you need to apply for an alteration in your planning application as the finish and look of the property will also change.

No it wouldn't on both counts.
Why do people makes these guesses at technical maters.

IF you don't know don't comment

CamperMan wrote: »

in the conditions, it states,

In the event of a preference to use stone and/ or brick, the planning authority would advise the use of natural stone local to the area.

That may be a general condition, and not a reference to your specific type.
I'm still not convinced its a new PP.

Structure isn't a planning matter. So you can swap concrete blocks for timber frame directly.

You want to keep all layouts and dimensions the same, thats fine.

Finish is the only really issue.
What are all the external finishes on your approved PP. Is is uniform, or are there areas of brick/stone with areas of render.

At th very least, you can build a timber frame house with a brick finish, or even partial brick. I'm not sure if brick lime finished fibre board work together, but it might be an option.