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Gilmore Proposes to bribe the rich with money taken from the poor

  • 20-04-2010 12:02PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭


    Eamon Gilmore stated on The Panel (5th November 2009) that he would stop paying welfare recipients, his exact words being “there is a requirement to get any dole payment that you have to be available for work or available for education or whatever, and if someone doesn’t comply with that you don’t pay them”.

    Gilmore’s party passed a motion at the weekend (17th April 2010) calling on the party to campaign for a reversal of the public sector pay cuts, clearly his ‘One Ireland’ is where Labour intends to bribe securely employed public servants with money taken from private sector tax payers and those withouts jobs.

    What a wonderous place Gilmore in Wonderland must be, one where fake fivers have been replaced by fake policies and fake economics. One where his policies are as out of date as his 20 year old front bench.

    Gilmore has just confirmed that he and Labour are now economically illiterate and owned by the unions. Is this the One Ireland we want going forward? Our nation deserves better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    “there is a requirement to get any dole payment that you have to be available for work or available for education or whatever, and if someone doesn’t comply with that you don’t pay them”.

    How could anyone possibly find any fault in this statement?

    I disagree with him on the public service cuts, and to be honest would put me off voting for labour, but linking a bad idea to complete logical sense is unfair/silly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 583 ✭✭✭danman


    I have to agree with Eamon G on this.
    If your not available to work, why should you receive Job seekers allowance

    I don't agree with a lot of labours policies, but he's right on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    It wouldn't make sense to bribe the rich with money taken from the poor, even were that what was actually happening - there are fewer rich (so fewer votes), and they care less about money than the poor.

    amused,
    Scofflaw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    skearon wrote: »
    ....clearly his ‘One Ireland’ is where Labour intends to bribe securely employed public servants with money taken from private sector tax payers and those withouts jobs.

    I see absolutely nothing in what he said that would lead to that conclusion / interpretation.

    I disagree with him on protecting income levels indiscriminately - all jobs have extra hours, additional tasks and pay cuts, in order to get by - but I would even go one further than him and suggest that people should have to at least do some work for their dole money......even if it were cutting green areas or keeping community areas clean.

    Unfortunately in our capitalist society that would be viewed as skewing competition and killing a "business opportunity".

    Neither of those issues or disagreements with him would lead me to claim that he was "bribing the rich", though....that's quite simply an incorrect statement based on what he said.

    The bottom line is that if insurance, bank loans/mortgages, core services and fuel were reduced, then EVERYONE could get by on 10% or 20% less, and the country would be more competitive and attract companies, instead of losing them to lower-cost economies.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    This post has been deleted.

    Given the rubbish that's been dumped on a side-road near me by inconsiderate assholes, some of them obviously aren't doing their jobs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭skearon


    This post has been deleted.

    I totally agree with Gilmore proposal's for those who refuse to be available for work or training, but not with his plan to buy votes from the public service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭skearon


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    people should have to at least do some work for their dole money......even if it were cutting green areas or keeping community areas clean.

    Absolutely agree there, it crazy to continue to borrow billions to encourage a lifestyle of idleness and dependency.

    We need to reform our system to be like that of Workfare in Australia


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    What about the the very many in Local Authority jobs who are available for work, who get paid to work but whose productivity is so low that they can not realistically be said to e ' working' ? Should they have thier payments cut ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    anymore wrote: »
    What about the the very many in Local Authority jobs who are available for work, who get paid to work but whose productivity is so low that they can not realistically be said to e ' working' ? Should they have thier payments cut ?

    Attempts to turn this into another PS-bashing thread will be met with moderation.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    I disagree with him on protecting income levels indiscriminately - all jobs have extra hours, additional tasks and pay cuts, in order to get by - but I would even go one further than him and suggest that people should have to at least do some work for their dole money...
    To be fair, actively seeking employment is a full-time job (or at least it should be). Forcing jobseekers to work for their welfare would adversely affect their search for employment, in my opinion. I am of course referring to genuine jobseekers.


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