muppets wrecking rally

yungb

With the upcoming Killarney Rally of the lakes approaching i have no doubt the usual "differs" i.e. muppets will be down to clog up the roads and see who can do the best circle!!!! These idiots have no interest in rallying and are giving the sport a bad name year on year. Anyone have any idea how to stop/get rid of them and allow genuine rally fans to enjoy the sport in peace.:mad:

high heels

I took part in the event a few years ago and stayed in the centre of town Holy **** the noise of the feckers driving till 4am.. they have gardai out on every juntion that the rally cars will be driving through which was great..

What gets me is that normal people think the idiots doing the burnouts and circles are rally cars which damages the sport even more.. they should have a few more tipp race ways to lock them up in..

chuck_g

As a follower of rallying for many years now and a lover of modified cars etc i think i should say something on behalf of the "differs".

While most "differs" are stupid young idiots that think they can just wreck crossroads anywhere, some are just lads having some fun, in closed off environments. I dont agree with blocking the whole county bounds this year but in my opinion as a modified car owner, the Gardai and local td's etc could do a whole lot more to control this. Take Donegal for instance, there is an oval track up in Letterlkenny and every year while the rally is on it is open to differs/drifters to go out n have fun for a small fee. Now there will still be muppets who will use the roads but you can see the difference when you compare it to the west cork, lakes, galway etc. Even the gardai come in and have a watch.

Maybe if the gardai got together with the differs and tried to organise a yard/industrial estate or something, charge a small fee for charity and let them at it, the roads would remain free and everyone would be happy.

But this topic has indeed been brought up 10 million times so im just wasting my words. Just said id voice my opinion regarding the situation.

Charlie

Poly

I lived in Galway for a while, Galway was always deluged with scumbags around the time of the rally. (I know it's a small minority). But alot of people dread the rally because of this.

chuck_g

What actually gets to me more are the men and women that go to Killarney for example when the rallies are on, purely to get drunk, fight, act the twats and not even see a single stage. They are the real "scumbags" at rallies. Atleast 80% of "differs" n modified car enthusiasts have a genuine interest in following the rally.

antomorro-sei

My cousin went to the lakes rally purely to go "messin".

Ridiculous stuff.

homer simpson

chuck_g wrote: »

.... Take Donegal for instance, there is an oval track up in Letterlkenny and every year while the rally is on it is open to differs/drifters to go out n have fun for a small fee. Now there will still be muppets who will use the roads but you can see the difference when you compare it to the west cork, lakes, galway etc. Even the gardai come in and have a watch....

Charlie

I live about 3 miles from that track (the DDT raceway) and i agree it was a good idea to open it up for the differs, but it is only opened up with the intention of making money and nothing more, there were a few of these events held last year all for the same reason making money, the motor club or the gardai have nothing to do them in any way shape or form, i think thats where people get the assumption that rallying is the same as diffing, the fact that 90% of these events happen over rally weekend, and the fact that people associate rallying with diffing will unfortuniently mean that some people will always be against the sport no, matter what happens, with the Donegal Int. on in three weeks i am sure this year will be no different to the others.....

P.S just because they get the use of the track doesnt mean they confin the diffing to the track either, the roads around that track get blackened every year during rally weekend so its not just confined to the track.... also they tend to block off the glenveigh road (a National Primary road) every year and use it through the night but the gardai are powerless as there does ususally be thousands, litterially, there most local people just avoid that road the evenings of the rally.

reiger

antomorro-sei wrote: »

My cousin went to the lakes rally purely to go "messin".

Ridiculous stuff.

did you at least give him a good shoe in the hole and tell him to wise up

from my experience Donegal is no wheres as bad as killarney,kilarney is just full of scroats in there scrap jap heaps

De Hipster

reiger wrote: »

did you at least give him a good shoe in the hole and tell him to wise up

from my experience Donegal is no wheres as bad as killarney,kilarney is just full of scroats in there scrap jap heaps

Donegal has had it's fair share of messers over the years, it's only recently that the garda & council have stopped the camping & diffing beside the Mount Errigal, but they haven't completely removed the 'drink cultured spectator' which has in recent times had a tragic outcome.

International rallies and the weekend format seem to attract the yobs who are at a loss for something more productive to do with their time.

reiger

but some of those antics you could get in donegal on a regular saturday night,the law run a better show in letterkenny,big problem in killarney you get such an element of scum with all the prodrift gear and the sh.it box jap scrap.
yes up from the errigal there was an scum element from across the border but they never left the makeshift camp site just drank and drop anything,bigest difficulty was the mess left behind,now i dont know where you getting your story on the diffing up from the errigal but maybe sporadic but not wholesale.

what do you mean by 'drink cultured spectator' which has in recent times had a tragic outcome.
i hope your not referring to the tragic accident that happened two years ago if you you are bang out of line and id advise you to hit the edit button

De Hipster

reiger wrote: »

but some of those antics you could get in donegal on a regular saturday night,the law run a better show in letterkenny,big problem in killarney you get such an element of scum with all the prodrift gear and the sh.it box jap scrap.
yes up from the errigal there was an scum element from across the border but they never left the makeshift camp site just drank and drop anything,bigest difficulty was the mess left behind,now i dont know where you getting your story on the diffing up from the errigal but maybe sporadic but not wholesale.

what do you mean by 'drink cultured spectator' which has in recent times had a tragic outcome.
i hope your not referring to the tragic accident that happened two years ago if you you are bang out of line and id advise you to hit the edit button

I travel to Donegal for the International Rally each year & have done for many years.

I have witnessed first-hand the camping, spectator drinking, donuts & diffing and general wreckless driving behaviour by the few year after year.

I specifically did not detail any specific event - wind your neck in! And by tragic consequences I refer to any drink-fuelled spectator behaviour which endangers lives and affects the running of a fantastic event by dedicated volunteers who generally end up answering for the scrotes long after the clean up is completed.

Alcohol has no place at a motorsport event - full-stop.

reiger

nice backtracking there sir i have been to rally since i was 5 years fo age now that a a fews ago i have also done the event i am not sticking up the louts just making a comparision between the lakes and donegal,anyway it was you that brought donegal into the debate,i was just saying that donegal was not as bad as the lakes for the muppets,
now i know you are referring to that tragic incident and your backtracking by spouting bull about endangering lives, i was there that day i saw it and drink wasnt the factor so maybe you should wind your neck in.

Fact Donegal rally is the best rally in the country full stop and ill be there this year Marshalling doing my wee bit for the event

gooch2k9

Where is the track in letterkenny...?

De Hipster

reiger wrote: »

nice backtracking there sir i have been to rally since i was 5 years fo age now that a a fews ago i have also done the event i am not sticking up the louts just making a comparision between the lakes and donegal,anyway it was you that brought donegal into the debate,i was just saying that donegal was not as bad as the lakes for the muppets,
now i know you are referring to that tragic incident and your backtracking by spouting bull about endangering lives, i was there that day i saw it and drink wasnt the factor so maybe you should wind your neck in.

Fact Donegal rally is the best rally in the country full stop and ill be there this year Marshalling doing my wee bit for the event

Firstly - it's madam thank you.

Secondly - I'm not going to start listing my rally-related CV over the years, nor will I defend my stance on spectator behaviour, drinking & motorsport.

Donegal is without question a great rally...no argument there, but like ALL the TROA International events it does attract a large following of non-rally-fan hangers-on, for which I in no way hold the organisers, volunteers, competitors, crews, officials (garda & rally alike), spectators and fans accountable.

I just think it's an unfortunate fact that we as motorsport competitors, enthusiasts, volunteers and supporters need to take seriously and make some attempt to either curb their enthusiasm, control their antics or dissuade them from following the championship events before it is irreparably damaged.

Insurance already has the sport ‘by the balls’ an event related incident impacting on the public is just what they need to put it to bed for all.

See you in the hedge @ the event...

De Hipster

Ficus wrote: »

No, id advice you not to back seat mod. There was nothing wrong with his her statement so take it easy.

Fixed

Robbo

In some cruel parody of Darwinian selection, I see the specs at rallies getting dimmer and dimmer over the years. I love the sport but when I see goons drinking at junctions, arriving 20 minutes after 1st car and then abandoning a car near the tape blocking other cars in or dropping hoops between stages, it makes me want to take a sledge to the nearest Twincam at hand.

On a complete aside, was there ever an inquest into that death 2 years ago?

De Hipster

Robbo wrote: »

In some cruel parody of Darwinian selection, I see the specs at rallies getting dimmer and dimmer over the years. I love the sport but when I see goons drinking at junctions, arriving 20 minutes after 1st car and then abandoning a car near the tape blocking other cars in or dropping hoops between stages, it makes me want to take a sledge to the nearest Twincam at hand.

On a complete aside, was there ever an inquest into that death 2 years ago?

Don't have a link to any info but afaik it was deemed accidental ...

homer simpson

reiger wrote: »

nice backtracking there sir i have been to rally since i was 5 years fo age now that a a fews ago i have also done the event i am not sticking up the louts just making a comparision between the lakes and donegal,anyway it was you that brought donegal into the debate,i was just saying that donegal was not as bad as the lakes for the muppets,
now i know you are referring to that tragic incident and your backtracking by spouting bull about endangering lives, i was there that day i saw it and drink wasnt the factor so maybe you should wind your neck in.

Fact Donegal rally is the best rally in the country full stop and ill be there this year Marshalling doing my wee bit for the event

Listen if your a competiter (which i fear your not) your posts aint doing the sport any good by jumping down peoples throats ect, if you were at the incident could you please explain to me what happened via PM cos i know for a fact that the fella who got knocked down, as unfortunate as it was, he was full drunk as were most of the people with him, i know this as he was a cousin of my Girlfriends! and the family will openly admit to this to so i know they wont mind me saying it here...

Anyways back to topic, the track is called the DDT , its on the back road road that runs from newtowncunningham to raphoe (roughly) they usually have it signposted, its only a small oval stock car track nothing fancy. I really do hope that the gardai clamp down this year, but i doubt it, i have never been stopped at a checkpoint at any time over donegal rally weekend which i always found strange, maybe a few checkpoints would weed out the worst of the "differs" as the ones that get up to the worst of the messing you'd find are not road legal!

and as for it happening every saturday night , i am yet to come across a group of 20 + cars doing doughnuts on the duel carrigeway / cars overtaking me on both sides (hard shoulder + fast lane) while racing, and 100's of cars blocking off a main road to mess, no weekend other than rally weekend will you find this happening!!!

It is unfortunate but it is a case of where you get one you will get the other, i wouldn't mind but sometimes they put people in danger , then it does bother me.....

homer simpson

LIGHTNING wrote: »

In fairness to reiger you user-name isn't gender specific so I wouldn't take offense to him (or her) calling you a bloke. As for the behaviour at events as a competitor and as somebody who works at a track we do all we can to discourage poor behavior and if it were up to me alot less people would be allowed in the gates!

Unfortunately some events just bring out some of the worst types of people drifting being the worst of the lot in my experience. The organisers can only do some much the rest is up to the Gardai.

you have pretty much summed it up there now, but it would be impossable to police who / how many go to watch a rally because the access points are endless and i can imagine the aggro you'd get by telling people you not allowed in, that and the fact the worst of the messers dont see a stage all weekend.

*Raverbaby*

I have to actually laugh at this thread, how many times was a twincam mentioned on here? Are people that narrow minded on here that they think twincams are the only rwd car about these days? God shur you would never see anyone in an m3 or a 180sx doing donuts its only us twincam hooligans!

It seems to me that so called rally god's like to put all the blame on old skool toyotas....not a word mentioned on how people are constantly being cut off the roads and almost knocked down by large jeep's/car's flying to and from stages. It is also these people who i have witnessed staying for the first few car's to go through a stage running like a pack of sheep to a jeep loading up the back (illegal may i ad) with about 10 people and tearing down the narrow roads. It's reasons like this that put me off going to more rallies, if i ever ended up one of those - somebody shoot me!

I would also like to point out that being an active member of one of the largest toyota owners club in Ireland, we most certainly do not condone any such conduct as mentioned before at rallies or any other event. :cool: