Help with alloys for Porsche 924

postdarwin

Posted this in Mod Cars:

I know nothing about alloys. The rear wheels on my Porsche 924 are nice but too wide for the arches. Incorrect offset, I believe. Where/how do I go about sourcing alternatives? Can you buy two or do you need a set of four? Can I sell/trade the others? I think they are Fulva(?) but I don't know how to identify them.

Here are the rear rims I need to replace:

http://imgur.com/QgBCk.jpg

Hoping to ID/value them for sale or trade-in. Willing to change all four for better fitting set.
Thanks!

postdarwin

Yes it's a turbo. Thanks for the quick reply. I don't really want to alter the body by flaring the wheel arches. I think I prefer the classic look. I'm not that attached to the alloys, so I wouldn't be averse to getting spokes or normal rims--just something that fits properly.

Edit: What did you mean by N/A?

trevorbrady

N/A is naturally aspirated, as opposed to turbo or supercharged, which would be forced aspriation.

Anyway, you have drums and adapters on, there's your problem, the adapters add about an inch each side in terms of stickout.

My advice would be to remove the rear drums, bring them to a precision engineer and have him redrill them to 5x130mm PCD bolt pattern with M14x1.5 thread to suit your wheel bolts. Bring the bolt along so he can double shck the thread pitch is correct. It's done on beetles every day of the week and is proven to be a safe way of fitting alternative wheels. The rear drums on your 924 are basically beetle rear drums anyway, just with the 4x108 bolt pattern.

Alternatively, you could buy yourself a set of 5x130 drums from www.machine7.co.uk, fit them up, bolt on your wheels and dispense with the messing of dealing with precision engineers.

Alternatively again, you could explore the world or Peugeot and Ford aftermarket rims. The 4 stud pugs and fords share the 924's 4x108 bolt pattern so you could find a set of wheels you like, dispense with the adapters and just botl them on like any other wheel. Or you could find yourself a set of original 924 (non-turbo) 4-stud wheels on ebay for about a tenner apiece and bolt them up.

You have plenty of options.

stick up some pics of your car and engine. If you really do have a turbo engine under the hood then your brakes are pretty poxy and should be upgraded to 924 Turbo or early 944 brakes. Then you can just bolt up the wheels you have too. That's another option

trevorbrady

oh, in relation to wheel ID, they're called "teledials" and were fitted to across the range of watercooled Porsches in various widths and offsets in the '80s. (maybe 911 too but can't remember).

In terms of value, if they're in "used" condition they're probably worth only €100 for the set of four, all the way up to €600 or so for a perfect polished set.

VanhireBoys

US Spec turbos had drums on the back.. All the euro spec turbos and 924S for all markets were fitted with disk all round..!

Is the car a left hooker ...?

postdarwin

Trevor: I'm going to have to read that informative post slowly. Thanks for taking the time.

VanHire: It's RHD

Dades

I think these are the alloys that usually came with 924 turbos (4 bolt pattern):



I wouldn't mind your teledials for my 924 but I'd have the same issues as you (mines an NA).
Post some pics and give us the details - year, source, etc.

postdarwin

Trevor: Are these the drums I need?
http://www.machine7.com/product.php?xProd=1664&xSec=1654

Dades: Here's the car
http://imgur.com/wJfv3
http://imgur.com/qqnDR
Bought it in Coventry last year. 1980, yes def. turbo.

postdarwin

I took the rear wheels off thinking there were some kind of spacers on them, but the 'adapters' seem to be part of the drum--it's all one piece. I guess that's part I'd need to replace?

Or if I should still do the drilling, does anyone know a reliable precision engineer in Limerick area? That might be a quicker/cheaper/simpler option.

Dades

I know that car - in fact I nearly made an offer on it! Following the price drop, I'd decided to ask the vendor for more details when it came up as sold. Bought a black one a few weeks later.

It looked mint in the pictures - but I believe there were a few issues? Ironically at the time I thought the teledial alloys on the car looked super.

Gary ITR

Are my eyes deceiving me? I see discs there and a spacer on the hub....

Abelloid

Onkle wrote: »

Are my eyes deceiving me? I see discs there and a spacer on the hub....

That's what I see...

unkel

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I thought all the Turbo models had disk brakes all round. In my 1980 924 handbook is states that turbos have disks front and back.

It seems the Turbo had disks all round as standard, but there was an option to downgrade the rears to drums for a discount.

trevorbrady

Onkle wrote: »

Are my eyes deceiving me? I see discs there and a spacer on the hub....

no, you're right!! I didn't look closely enough!

Darwin, you just need to ditch the spacers and you're good

VanhireBoys

trevorbrady wrote: »

no, you're right!! I didn't look closely enough!

Darwin, you just need to ditch the spacers and you're good

Im not able to get the piccys at work ... I should have said nowt. I seen that car at Barna last August... Its a beaute......

The US ones were a 4 stud fitment as well I forgot to say. It wasnt deemed necessary to fit disc all round as they only had 143 bhp ... The N/A one had 90 bhp ... A right barrel of laughs that would have been

Heres the US spec version of the 924 turbo
http://www.pelicanparts.com/literature/944/med_size/IN924-T.JPG

Henry Ford III

They look like 928 Teledials.

postdarwin

Everyone keeps saying spacers, but when I removed the rear wheels I found the grey disc is attached to the drum behind it. Did someone weld on a spacer or is that whole section a spacer? Anyway, that grey disc doesn't come off. Looks like I need to take Trevor's advice.

Dades: Yes, it needed about a grand of engine work--just small replacements throughout. I still need to replace the steering rack, it's a bit worn in places. But other than that and a sticky-when-cold 2nd gear, it's in top shape now. Still a complete bargain overall. Full Guards Red paint job is next--it's been buffed a little too much in 30 years.

VanHire: I think I still have your number somewhere! Promised to call you for a look when I'm in Galway again. It has a ZV now, in case you spot me.

trevorbrady

I have a set of 5-stud 924 Turbo "mesh" wheels that I'm using to roll my project bug around on. If you wanted to return to original 924 Turbo spec then I would do a straight swap with you.

Can you get a pic of the hub with the wheel removed? Just so we can see the hub itself?

postdarwin

The mesh wheels look nice too, but still I'd be in the same situation, right.
So, I should either drill these drums or buy new ones (STR£265+p&p+fitting=??). Are there used ones to be found maybe?

trevorbrady

you don't have drums!! You have disks

I'm almost sure you'll be able to get out of this problem with just a bit of spannering, no cash outlay. Get us a pic to show us what the hub looks like without the wheel on.

where in the world are you, someone might be willing to lend a hand

Dades

postdarwin wrote: »

It has a ZV now, in case you spot me.

Now that I am jealous of!

That and your teledials - assuming you can get them sorted.

postdarwin

trevorbrady wrote: »

Anyway, you have drums and adapters on, there's your problem, the adapters add about an inch each side in terms of stickout.

But you said I had drums!?

trevorbrady

I stood corrected, the first post on page 2 of your thread!! ^^^^^

you appear to have disks and spacers on, the spacers add the width to your rear hubs. Can you get a picture of the hub with the wheel off and we'll advise on removing the spacers

postdarwin

Ok, ok! I'll have another look!

VanhireBoys

Bit late but them rims are originally intended for the 86-87 944 turbo. They are the early offset and thus will catch the arch off a 924 as there isnt enough clearance. The offset is different even front to back.... If you were able to get a set of 15" teledials off a 924S or a 86-88 944S they would fit grand. Either that or try and source 2 16" front rims off an early 944 turbo.

postdarwin

Didn't take them off but here's some more pictures of the wheels. Does this clear anything up?

And the requested engine pictures.

Based in Limerick btw

postdarwin

Bumping.

Any advance on the suggested 'spannerwork' based on the new photos?

trevorbrady

new pics don't really give much more info

I'll be in Limerick next weekend (1st/2nd May), I could come give you a hand to get to the bottom of the problem. Where in Limerick are you?

postdarwin

Sigh. I kinda guessed that. Anyway, I'm downtown Limerick city. PM me and we can have a chat--really looking forward to some advice!

draycottgirlz

really is a lot of 924 owners around now, the more the merrier! Trevor really know his stuff Darwin....

postdarwin

Big thanks to Trevor who called around today for a look at the machine, really appreciate that.

Anyway, while it appeared to the untutored eye that the 'grey discs' were permanent, they turned out to be (as everyone here guessed) spacers which had formed a galvanic couple with the metal behind it. Some gentle persuasion separated them. So all I need now are some shorter studs.

Thanks to all who contributed suggestions. I'm sure I'll be back with more 924 queries soon enough.

Dades

trevorbrady wrote: »

I have a set of 5-stud 924 Turbo "mesh" wheels that I'm using to roll my project bug around on. If you wanted to return to original 924 Turbo spec then I would do a straight swap with you.

This reminded me - I've seen a Bug (yellow, I think) sporting a set of teledials several times in that last few weeks in Kilmacud in Dublin.
(Beside it on the side of the road is a ratty looking 1970's white Merc limo. )