Fagan out of the great run !!!

tempo

Stuck in New York and can't get a flight back.pity as i heard he is in great from.
Any other Irish doing it with a chance of top 3?

rovers_runner

No Cullen or Fagan, would reckon the two Portugese lads and the four main elite women from outside Ireland won't make it either (Latvia/GB/Aus/Hun).

What chance they might start the run at around 1pm now or will they still piss about interviewing muppets like Ray Darcy for 30 mins?

emerald007

he hasn't tweeted anything about being stuck? you 100% sure.

rovers_runner

Tis on his facebook.

daymobrew

rovers_runner wrote: »

What chance they might start the run at around 1pm now or will they still piss about interviewing muppets like Ray Darcy for 30 mins?

It has never started at the published time because of RTE interviewing elites and celebs, though at least this year they admit it.

mrak

this article seems to indicate that he's delayed but got there:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h3oQW_bnYnY3hdJWpIroJTV3feSA

Stupid_Private

Here's hoping its the oul' Ferguson "he definitely won't be playing" mind games!

average_runner

Doesnt matter if he runs or not over here, never produces the goods in Ireland.


Seems to get all the good results over in the US but everytime I see him here he jsut doesnt produce it.

Cross Country was a disaster.

Maybe now he win the bupa one

Krusty_Clown

He wasn't far of the mark in the same race last year, in a field that included Rui Silva and Paul Tergat.

Stupid_Private

average_runner wrote: »

Doesnt matter if he runs or not over here, never produces the goods in Ireland.


Seems to get all the good results over in the US but everytime I see him here he jsut doesnt produce it.

Cross Country was a disaster.

Maybe now he win the bupa one

Never? Examples of all these times if you will...

28:47 for 10k in the Great Ireland Run last year, 2 seconds off the winner.... never produces the goods in Ireland my ass

average_runner

Examples what about the last Cross Country race in Santry?????


What about last years run in the cross country in the Uk, and dont use he fell as an excuse he never look comfortable there in that race.


People build him up to be something special when in honest he isnt, but he might come good but I aint convince.

kennyb3

average_runner wrote: »

Examples what about the last Cross Country race in Santry?????

he was injured. and that was one race.

Krusty_Clown

average_runner wrote: »

People build him up to be something special when in honest he isnt, but he might come good but I aint convince.

Irish half-marathon record in March 2009? Admittedly 60 seconds behind Sammy Kitwara and Haile Gebrselassie (I'm sure he was gutted!).

average_runner

Abnd his results for cross country 2008,2009????


I think he hasnt finished in the top 20 if i am right????
Dont get me wrong I would love to see this guy come good

Stupid_Private

So you say he never produces in Ireland and then site examples from races outside of Ireland when I ask for examples... Can we then list all his successes from outside of Ireland then to counter?

TheRoadRunner

average_runner wrote: »

Examples what about the last Cross Country race in Santry?????

That was a bad run but based on his build up I personally wasn't expecting anything great.

average_runner wrote: »

What about last years run in the cross country in the Uk, and dont use he fell as an excuse he never look comfortable there in that race.

If you are referring to the Europeans that wasn't in the UK, it was in Brussels. I was at it and believe me he looked very comfortable. He could have easily got in the top 5 if he had of stayed on his feet. Having said that, the fall was his own doing IMO.

average_runner wrote: »

People build him up to be something special when in honest he isnt, but he might come good but I aint convince.

He is something special, national half marathon record, medals in NCAAs etc would agree with this. Plenty more to come from him if he can stay injury free.

average_runner

I aint sure what the time is for Irish Half Marathon record and considering your mentioning him in the same sentence as the great Haile Gebrselassie, fagan's time must of been impressive and under the hour or within 30 secs of it or Haile Gebrselassie had a poorish run barely got under the hour mark!!


Which is it???

average_runner

Of course you can write his achievements outside europe, maybe I am wrong, which would be great

Krusty_Clown

average_runner wrote: »

I aint sure what the time is for Irish Half Marathon record and considering your mentioning him in the same sentence as the great Haile Gebrselassie, fagan's time must of been impressive and under the hour or within 30 secs of it or Haile Gebrselassie had a poorish run barely got under the hour mark!!
Which is it???

They all suffered from poor weather (including Fagan).
Sammy Kitwara - 59:57
Haile Gebrselassie - 60:00
Martin Fagan - 60:57 (Beating john Treacy's record of 21 years (61:00).

shels4ever

average_runner wrote: »

I aint sure what the time is for Irish Half Marathon record and considering your mentioning him in the same sentence as the great Haile Gebrselassie, fagan's time must of been impressive and under the hour or within 30 secs of it or Haile Gebrselassie had a poorish run barely got under the hour mark!!


Which is it???

It was a super race 1:00:57 , class running.

ecoli

average_runner wrote: »

I aint sure what the time is for Irish Half Marathon record and considering your mentioning him in the same sentence as the great Haile Gebrselassie, fagan's time must of been impressive and under the hour or within 30 secs of it or Haile Gebrselassie had a poorish run barely got under the hour mark!!


Which is it???

It was 1.00.57 but if you look at who he took that record off (World XC champion) John Treacy how can you say he is not anything special. He is one of three Irish men in the last 10 years to break 2.15 for the marathon. Interestingly he did this the year that you mentioned of the European XC which was in Brussels. Considering his training was for this in the spring and then working towards Beijing personally i feel it was s decent performance all things considered and the fact that over the last year he has been walking a fine line in terms of trying to stay healthy it is hardly a good representation to discuss performances over 2008-2009 in Europe because they have been practically non existent except for his NR

ecoli

average_runner wrote: »

Of course you can write his achievements outside europe, maybe I am wrong, which would be great

to reiterate his NR was in Europe

myflipflops

60:57 puts him 12th on the all time European list (11th when you put a line through drug cheat Mohammed Mourhit). Those around this time include Stefano Baldini (7 seconds quicker).

The cross country perfromances (which WERE disappointing) can be put down to the injury in Dublin but more to the fact that he is now a dedicated long distance road runner. 10k of cross country is not what he trains for and not what he should be judged on. Things like beating Luke Kibet over 10 miles on the road is what i judge him on.

Fagan has the potential to do to our half and full marathon records what Mark Carrol did over 3k and 5k. He can drag them into the very top range of European running. Injuries stopped Carroll doing it himself over the marathon and hopefully Fagan doesn't suffer the same fate.

jailhouse_dave

average_runner wrote: »

Of course you can write his achievements outside europe, maybe I am wrong, which would be great

he is a class act, by far and away our best long distance male runner. Not all class athletes can produce it on tap all the time, your attitude shows very little understanding of what happens at elite level. I have no doubt he will be devestated this weekend if he doesnt impress you.

T runner

He Tweated 5 hrs ago that he was going a train to Boston with crossed fingers hoping to get home.

http://twitter.com/Iinthislight

woodchopper

average_runner wrote: »

I aint sure what the time is for Irish Half Marathon record

Which is it???

You have zero knowledge of athletics yet cast doubts over Martin Fagan's ability and talent as an international athlete. It is easy to state these things when you hide behind a fake name. I just find it ignorant and foolish, especially coming from someone who has no idea of the dedication top level training or racing entails. I salute those who train with committment and support our elite athletes not diminish them to gain some sort of self esteem, pathetic.

BeepBeep67

Fagan has just landed and is looking forward to the race tomorrow - not sure if he'll be in 100% shape after a late arrival.

ecoli

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Fagan has just landed and is looking forward to the race tomorrow - not sure if he'll be in 100% shape after a late arrival.

By the sounds of his journey to get home sounds like he fairly shattered already so rest will definitely be a key issue

Cool Running

Really hope he has a good run!

For anyone that hasnt seen the training video from Flagstaff link is below, Serious vid! Fagan flying through the miles, inspiring stuff

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/coverage/view_video/234127-workout-wednesday-season-2/93220-episode-12-mcmillan-elite

Good music aswell:)

clonliffe 22

how can an ''average runner'' say that about Fagan.
Just watch him destroy the field tommorow.
He is int he hsape of his life and will run the best way he runs tommorow,
from the front and will burn them all off.
Mark Kenneally will run a big race also and im sure this will be great for athletics.
Lets get behind ou best athletes and stop taking silly swipes at them!!!

myflipflops

clonliffe 22 wrote: »

how can an ''average runner'' say that about Fagan.

Lets get behind ou best athletes and stop taking silly swipes at them!!!

The man is entitled to his opinion, negative or otherwise.

Adult athletes should not be immune to criticism.

seanin4711

Freya Murray
and Martin Fagan
Saw Freya at loughrea last year and she is savage!

slan
sean

seanin4711

freya could have gone another 5k at that pace,savage athlete!
pity about the lack of international challenge for fagan,but our own Gary Thorton gave a great account of himself!
slan

mloc123

Now for the Darcy interview... jesus he looks old.

shels4ever

Fagan looked very good today.

Sosa

shels4ever wrote: »

Fagan looked very good today.

effortless...i dont think i saw him puff his cheeks once.

The Galway fella second impressed me,as did the womens winner...tough cookie that one !

clonliffe 22

myflipflops wrote: »

The man is entitled to his opinion, negative or otherwise.

Adult athletes should not be immune to criticism.

That was a cheap swipe i was having at him but as you say im entitled to my opinion
Lets face it average runner got it wrong about Martin Fagan.
If i was at a match i would be chanting ''EASY EASY EASY''

ManFromAtlantis

wow. fagan is a joy to watch. pure athlete.