Travellers Racing Horses - Riverbank behind UL

Raiser

Posting this by way of a warning as I'm sure this is going to be a regular pastime.

Was out for a walk yesterday on the Riverbank behind UL and as well as Families, Mammies pushing Buggies and Kids strolling around there was a pack of Travellers racing Horses up and down the narrow pathway.

It was lethal, they were literally galloping up and down the pathway without regard for anyone else's safety and the worst bit was you wouldn't even know until they suddenly charged at you with fcuk all room to get out of the way.

- I know there's a load of politically correct language for dealing with the discussion of Travellers many and varied rights to live a culturally unique and utterly marvellous existence at the total expense of the rest of Society - But I do have to point out that this was utter Scumbag behaviour and if it continues some poor Kid if going to get lobotomised by an out of control Piebald.

Casperbhoy

was out there myself yesterday evening about 6.30pm, didnt see them

There were 3 men sitting on a bench drinking cans, no travellers on horses though

Would not surprise me, no regard for other people:mad:

Itsdacraic

Raiser wrote: »

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Was out for a walk yesterday on the Riverbank behind UL and as well as Families, Mammies pushing Buggies and Kids strolling around there was a pack of Travellers racing Horses up and down the narrow pathway.

I bet the horses won*


*This is assuming the traveller wasn't being pursued by the Gardai, because nothing moves as fast as a traveller on the run from the law.

Millie

Was out there last summer and both me and my dog were almost trampled by a traveller and his horse and buggy.
He was booting it and I only managed to drag the dog onto the ditch in time.
Thankfully I wasn't listening to my MP3 or we'd both of been run over.

Raiser

Millie wrote: »

Was out there last summer and both me and my dog were almost trampled by a traveller and his horse and buggy.
He was booting it and I only managed to drag the dog onto the ditch in time.
Thankfully I wasn't listening to my MP3 or we'd both of been run over.

Yeah they are lethal :mad:

P.S. A whole year later and you still just have that one single MP3?

- This damn recession is hell. HELL I tells ya

Shammy

Raiser wrote: »

some poor Kid if going to get lobotomised by an out of control Piebald.

And its only until this happens , might there be something done about it , unfortunately.

Aidric

Added to their jaunts around the city zig zagging dangerously through traffic and they really are nothing but a nuisance.

Millie

Raiser wrote: »

Yeah they are lethal :mad:

P.S. A whole year later and you still just have that one single MP3?

- This damn recession is hell. HELL I tells ya

You have now idea Raiser

RonMexico

Last time I saw a traveller with his horse I witnessed one of the funniest things ever. As he passed a ditch that had a number of large bushes a wood pigeon burst out in panick and flew straight into the side of his face knocking him off the horse in the process. The guy didn't know what hit him.He wasn't hurt but the look on his face was priceless

freyners

was just beside the university pitch that borders kilmurry village yesterday. Saw at least one of them racing round the field on the cart (not sure what you really call it) absolutely flying it, not a fear of him being able to stop if someone didnt hear him coming.
this coupled with every time im driving on the parkway road i get stuck behind them on there jaunts is starting to get on my nerves

Stab*City

freyners wrote: »

Saw at least one of them racing round the field on the cart (not sure what you really call it)

A sulkie

flutered

the horses are known as steppers, they can cover one and a half miles quicker than any derby winner, believe it or not.

Raiser

flutered wrote: »

the horses are known as steppers, they can cover one and a half miles quicker than any derby winner, believe it or not.

Not in relation to the Sulkie Drivers - but for the Bareback Limerick Commanches.....

- I read a report before (think it may have been ISPCA ) where they detailed a practise of making an incision in the Horses back and inserting a shard of glass, stitching it up and once 'healed' the Horse could be encouraged to run faster by vigorously and frequently applying pressure to the site......

Casperbhoy

Raiser wrote: »

Not in relation to the Sulkie Drivers - but for the Bareback Limerick Commanches.....

- I read a report before (think it may have been ISPCA ) where they detailed a practise of making an incision in the Horses back and inserting a shard of glass, stitching it up and once 'healed' the Horse could be encouraged to run faster by vigorously and frequently applying pressure to the site......

thats true, most of them usually use a cork screw to "encourage" the horse to run faster when racing

Millie

Oh Jesus I feel sick after reading that.
How in the name of mankind are some people so horribly cruel.

mike kelly

Casperbhoy wrote: »

thats true, most of them usually use a cork screw to "encourage" the horse to run faster when racing

If only that technique could be used on themselves to make them go and do an honest days work

Raiser

Millie wrote: »

Oh Jesus I feel sick after reading that.
How in the name of mankind are some people so horribly cruel.

In a lot of cases the Authorities should take the Horses off them - preferably when they are a long walk away from Home at the time......

- I drove past Chawkes one the way towards Finnegans one weekday evening at ~5pm about two years ago, suddenly both lanes of traffic veered to their verges in panic as two Travellers had a Horse Race down the middle of the road heading towards the City followed by 15 Knackers in a Toyota Hillux cheering and waving fistfulls of €50's

Millie

Haven't the authorities already taken a lot of horses from them.
Think I read about it recently but then again I suppose they just keep replacing them.

My heart goes out to the animals that they own, most evenings on the way home from work their goats are weaving in and out of traffic by the Maldron Hotel.

Fizman

Spotted these lads as I was heading into the gym a few days ago. Three guys around the age of 12-14 from what I could see. I wouldn't call the little yoke that was pulling them a horse either. Possibly a small donkey/mule? Think it was on Sunday afternoon. As I was leaving (about 5pm) they were still on the grounds, but a white security was crawling slowly alongside them. Looked as if they were escorting them off the grounds.

boomerang

Casperbhoy wrote: »

Would not surprise me, no regard for other people:mad:

No regard for their horses either, racing them like that in the heat we had yesterday. Those trotting ponies are wrecked by the time they're two or three years of age - their legs give in from the constant trotting on hard surfaces. :mad:

Builderfromhell

I may be wrong but to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal to tarvel the roads ona horse and cart, or in this case a pony and sulkie. So the gardai need good legal grounds to arrest them when they see them on the road.
They would have to carry out surveilance to see them racing on the road or at UL. Then they might, at best, get a conviction for dangerous driving.
Miscreants get a suspended sentence from judge. Gardai then frustrated with waste of time and resources.

Casperbhoy

As someone posted earlier, someone will probably have to die before action is taken.

Even then, it will probably only be a token gesture by the powers that be

Like A Fox

The Guards can settle it with a good ol' fashioned pony race!

Kess73

Casperbhoy wrote: »

As someone posted earlier, someone will probably have to die before action is taken.
Even then, it will probably only be a token gesture by the powers that be

Would not hold out any hopes for that provoking action either. How long has gone now since the gangland laws were passed? A year or so and no convictions under that act in Limerick.

Inaction is the name of the game for the local courts and gardai.

Saw another example of this yesterday on Childers Road beside the Greenpark retail park.

Six scumbags leathering the passing cars and the shops with rocks. Not kids, guys who looked like being in their 20's.

One driver stopped after his window was smashed and got out and got a hiding off of them.

Roxboro Gardai WERE rang as the rocks where being thrown and again when the attack happened. Did they show up? No.

If any garda from the no show station wants to debate it, then I suggest you check your incoming phone logs for my call at 14:12 yesterday. I stood with the guy who got thumped for nearly 25 minutes before he got sick of waiting and decided to go home to clean off his bloody face. I had also walked down behind the scum through oakview drive and into Ballinacurra gardens with Roxboro station on the line telling them exactly where the six guys were going and giving them a description of the ones who were wearing distinctive tops.

People are better off dialling 999 for anytime they need a garda as ringing Roxboro is a total joke.

Itsdacraic

To Joe Duffy with thee..........

I'm not messing by the way, it seems to be the only way to get a response to anything in this country.

Kess73

Itsdacraic wrote: »

To Joe Duffy with thee..........

I'm not messing by the way, it seems to be the only way to get a response to anything in this country.

Hate his show


I tried contacting the Ombudsman once before, as I was naive enough to think that following the correct channels was the right thing to do, over a similar issue with a no show where somebody got hurt despite a call going in to the gardai about 30 minutes beforehand, and I won't be making that mistake again.

A garda got a warning for negligent behaviour out of it and I had six months of having certain gardai checking me for tax, car insurance, randon visits about supposed calls about noises and whatever other reasons that could be made up to show me that reporting one of them is taken more seriously by them than dealing with actual crime.

Casperbhoy

Kess73 wrote: »

Would not hold out any hopes for that provoking action either. How long has gone now since the gangland laws were passed? A year or so and no convictions under that act in Limerick.

Inaction is the name of the game for the local courts and gardai.

Saw another example of this yesterday on Childers Road beside the Greenpark retail park.

Six scumbags leathering the passing cars and the shops with rocks. Not kids, guys who looked like being in their 20's.

One driver stopped after his window was smashed and got out and got a hiding off of them.

Roxboro Gardai WERE rang as the rocks where being thrown and again when the attack happened. Did they show up? No.

If any garda from the no show station wants to debate it, then I suggest you check your incoming phone logs for my call at 14:12 yesterday. I stood with the guy who got thumped for nearly 25 minutes before he got sick of waiting and decided to go home to clean off his bloody face. I had also walked down behind the scum through oakview drive and into Ballinacurra gardens with Roxboro station on the line telling them exactly where the six guys were going and giving them a description of the ones who were wearing distinctive tops.

People are better off dialling 999 for anytime they need a garda as ringing Roxboro is a total joke.

When did this happen, yesterday?..a broom handle was thrown at my car window javelin style last Halloween but these were kids

I thought this kind of behaviour was isolated to that time of the year

Kess73

Casperbhoy wrote: »

When did this happen, yesterday?..a broom handle was thrown at my car window javelin style last Halloween but these were kids

I thought this kind of behaviour was isolated to that time of the year

Yeah yesterday afternoon and these guys were not kids they were adults. Not isolated bahaviour though. There are loads of incidents in that area now. Scum are literally flowing in there daily and doing what they like.

I know that there is a man in Ballinacurra Gardens who has being going to all the houses there and on the main Ballinacurra roads for the last week getting signitures for a petition to get some of the laneways closed off to try and lessen the amount of routes for the scum.

In Ballinacurra gardens alone over the last two weeks, there has been a number of cars with the windows smashed, a couple of cars turned onto their roofs, and house windows smashed as well as threatening behaviour and mass drinking on a nightly basis with the gangs heading back into weston drunk off of their heads in the early hours.

The councillor living in that estate was made aware of the issues but has pretty much kept himself off of the radar in terms of doing anything as usual, then again he is known as being a joke by locals there and is generally regarded as a me fein type. It seems that only two elected officials have gotten involved at all and those two are Joe Leddin and Maria Byrne, with the former being the most active on any issues in the area.

Photographs of damage and of the mass dumping of rubbish and the literally hundreds and hundreds of broken bottles and beer cans were handed in to the city council as well.

I am pretty aware of what is going on there as my mother lives nearby and this year alone I have had to drive there in a hurry after I have gotten a number of worried calls from her over scum going into her garden and ruining plants or scum smashing windows of neighbours and other scummy acts.

Tango Alpha 51

Why is it that the Guards get slated on boards the whole time. You'd swear that they sat in the various garda stations all day doing nothing. Limited manpower, limited availabilty of vehicles etc play a big part in some calls not being attended to quick enough.

Kess,
You appear to have a major beef with Roxboro. Do you know what size of an area they cover, how many vehicles they have on at any one time, how many calls they get etc. You'd be surprised how many Gardai are on at any one time. As for thinking that you'll get a quicker response if you diall 999, not true, calls are still prioritised.

It's not a case of calling for them & they magically appear!

Shammy

Childers road is what ... 5 mins from roxoboro garda station , and yet 30 mins later there is still no one on the scene. Its incidents like this imo that the garda "get slated" as you put it.

So what your saying is that if your window got smashed by thugs and you got out and then took a hammering from them , after ringing the garda (5 mins away) and waiting 30 minutes and still no show you would find it ok because they have a large area to cover ?

Jumpy

buzzman wrote: »

Why is it that the Guards get slated on boards the whole time. You'd swear that they sat in the various garda stations all day doing nothing. Limited manpower, limited availabilty of vehicles etc play a big part in some calls not being attended to quick enough.

Do you think this is ok?

Tango Alpha 51

Shammy/Jumpy,
No I don't think it's ok but it's not joe soap garda's fault. I'm well aware of the proximity of Roxboro to Childer's Rd. Blame the government/garda management for not providing enough vehicles etc.

Kess73

buzzman wrote: »

Why is it that the Guards get slated on boards the whole time. You'd swear that they sat in the various garda stations all day doing nothing. Limited manpower, limited availabilty of vehicles etc play a big part in some calls not being attended to quick enough.

Kess,
You appear to have a major beef with Roxboro. Do you know what size of an area they cover, how many vehicles they have on at any one time, how many calls they get etc. You'd be surprised how many Gardai are on at any one time. As for thinking that you'll get a quicker response if you diall 999, not true, calls are still prioritised.

It's not a case of calling for them & they magically appear!

Oh that's ok then. A person can be beaten up in public and it is fine for the gardai who are literally minutes away not to show up.

I was under the impression that six guys beating up one guy in broad daylight would warrant a quick response.

I know for a fact that in the Ballinacurra area that there are many calls that have gone unanswered despite criminal damage being done and those responsibile being onsite for anything up to half an hour after the first call to that station.


Roxboro themselves have been asked for answers by the local committee and their response was to state at the local committe meeting that they had a number of unmarked cars on patrol the whole time in the area and that a fast response was guaranteed to any serious incidents.

So yes I have a major beef with their non response times, and if a person being attacked is not worth being prioritized then who knows what is a priority to them. But as I said earlier it is being passed on to local councillors and to the city council and I know a number of residents there have made sure to get itemised phonebills to prove the amount of calls made over incidents like cars being overturned, attacks on locals, attempted housebreaking and general vandalisism where no quick response has happened, so no doubt it will be taken further by the affected locals and at that point it will most likely get some publicity.

Tango Alpha 51

Kess,
That's neither what I said or implied. I'm merely point out some facts that often get lost whilst opinions are being given!!.

In an ideal world, we would have enough gardai on the streets, ambulances to respond to calls etc but we don't. It's not the fault of individual members who I can assure you work damn hard

Flying Abruptly

freyners wrote: »

was just beside the university pitch that borders kilmurry village yesterday. Saw at least one of them racing round the field on the cart (not sure what you really call it) absolutely flying it, not a fear of him being able to stop if someone didnt hear him coming.

I was running a few laps of the pitches there on the same day as part of my run. I was running in the opposite direction to him and as we got closer he clearly steered the horse towards me, forcing me further and further into the ditch.:mad:

I run a good bit down the riverbank from UL and have been nearly run down countless times, especially heading towards Bohs pitches. The path is quite narrow, they dont slow down or give any warning if theyre coming up quick behind you. You usually cant see or hear them coming becasue of the bends, and just have to jump out of the way at the last minute.

Not sure how they get onto the bank unless they get down from the entrance at the back of the industrial estate but it should definitely be closed off, its fair too dangerous to have horses galloping up and down there.

Builderfromhell

I'd imagine a stick in the spokes would bring them to a halt quickly enough

Itsdacraic

Builderfromhell wrote: »

I'd imagine a stick in the spokes would bring them to a halt quickly enough

I'm sure it would. The only problem being then that the same stick would end up lodged in your brain.

boomerang

Not to mention the injuries to the horse.

Raiser

boomerang wrote: »

Not to mention the injuries to the horse.

The Horse would probably appreciate the sight of a shotgun for the miserable life our culturally unique Travelling Population give them.

- Seems like an attractive career choice at this Stage; A 4X4, plenty of disposal income, no work commitments getting in the way of drinking and fighting duties, obey no law and act like a pure Cnut 24x7.

Kess73

Raiser wrote: »

The Horse would probably appreciate the sight of a shotgun for the miserable life our culturally unique Travelling Population give them.

- Seems like an attractive career choice at this Stage; A 4X4, plenty of disposal income, no work commitments getting in the way of drinking and fighting duties, obey no law and act like a pure Cnut 24x7.

Ahh now Raiser, don't you know that they are entitled to their supposed culture and to practise it without being curtailed by silly little things like laws, and regardless of whether it interferes with other folk and the rights of others.

I'm just waiting for some bill to be passed into law saying that the criminal scum who go around in tracksuits robbing, vandalising, and who are career dole users are in fact only following through on their culture, giving them to continue doing what they like but with the law behind them.

Casperbhoy

They reject society when it suits them, make no contribution to the greater good

How can a civilized society allow itself to be openly exploited in this manner?:mad: