A new wave of republican violence

anglo_celt

With the upsurge in republican violence within northern ireland. Are we to see a return to the troubled period once again. With the high unemployment in working class areas of Ireland as a whole I do believe this could be the last push for a United Ireland.It could also see a return of the feared UDA/UFF and civil war spreading into the Republic.This is aim of these men. Revolution. Many Republicans,North and South,and also in the United States agree with the Real IRA. Republiucan Sinn Fein see Mr Adam and his cronies as traitors to the Republican Movement by allowing themselves to become elected to the British Parliament and also taking seats in Dail Eireann. That is not according to Sinn Fein's Founder members that no man shall take a seat in Dail Eireann until Ireland was United. They are not going away ya know.

northwest100

Would you not agree that reunification would only succeed if there's economic, political and social stability?

How would any of this be possible with a civil war?

It would be more constructive if north and south worked together towards developing a productive economy which benefits everyone on the island.

Once there's stability, perhaps reunification is feasible..we certainly won't find out with a return to sectarian violence.

MagicSean

The sooner these cowards are put behind bars the better. Murderers and thieves is all they are.

Denerick

Elitist, undemocratic purists deserve only the contempt of all enlightened men and women. Find them, lock them up, and most importantly of all, laugh at them. Because they are a self evidently absurd bunch of savages.

gandalf

Ah the last gasp of the irrelevant.

These people are now nobodies. Just a bunch of thugs who have lost their "status".

moonpurple

anglo_celt wrote: »

With the upsurge in republican violence within northern ireland. Are we to see a return to the troubled period once again. With the high unemployment in working class areas of Ireland as a whole I do believe this could be the last push for a United Ireland.It could also see a return of the feared UDA/UFF and civil war spreading into the Republic.This is aim of these men. Revolution. Many Republicans,North and South,and also in the United States agree with the Real IRA. Republiucan Sinn Fein see Mr Adam and his cronies as traitors to the Republican Movement by allowing themselves to become elected to the British Parliament and also taking seats in Dail Eireann. That is not according to Sinn Fein's Founder members that no man shall take a seat in Dail Eireann until Ireland was United. They are not going away ya know.

welcome billy the bomber to boards, your address is a gaelic location that does not exist, just as the aim for the rira and cira is an impossible make believe destination that no amount of bangs will make real,

bmaxi

moonpurple wrote: »

welcome billy the bomber to boards, your address is a gaelic location that does not exist, just as the aim for the rira and cira is an impossible make believe destination that no amount of bangs will make real,

I'm convinced, at this stage, these posters just make up a new user name every few weeks and come on boards to stir the s*it.

MagicSean

moonpurple wrote: »

welcome billy the bomber to boards, your address is a gaelic location that does not exist, just as the aim for the rira and cira is an impossible make believe destination that no amount of bangs will make real,

I'd say he's from Wicklow but couldn't spell it in Irish so abbreviated it. He's hardcore republican.

Denerick

k_mac wrote: »

I'd say he's from Wicklow but couldn't spell it in Irish so abbreviated it. He's hardcore republican.

Nothing annoys me more than southern tossers trying to have an opinion about the North. I suppose they were right there in the middle of Derry on Bloody Sunday? Makes me sick. (Not aimed at you BTW)

Bottle_of_Smoke

Denerick wrote: »

Nothing annoys me more than southern tossers trying to have an opinion about the North. I suppose they were right there in the middle of Derry on Bloody Sunday? Makes me sick. (Not aimed at you BTW)

What? Most people from the 6 counties weren't in Derry during Bloody Sunday.

Could you elaborate a bit? Anyone in the world can have an opinion on the north. Maybe you mean something different but simply attacking someone's right to have an opinion is nuts.

bmaxi

k_mac wrote: »

I'd say he's from Wicklow but couldn't spell it in Irish so abbreviated it. He's hardcore republican.

Mustn't be able to spell Google either.


http://homepage.eircom.net/~cronews/geog/county/coorig.html

Denerick

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

What? Most people from the 6 counties weren't in Derry during Bloody Sunday.

Could you elaborate a bit? Anyone in the world can have an opinion on the north. Maybe you mean something different but simply attacking someone's right to have an opinion is nuts.

I hear a lot of really crap opinions in Dublin pubs from people once they hear my Northern accent. Some come out with the most Republican BS you can imagine, completely unthought opinions from people who know nothing about the North. It annoys me.

fontanalis

Denerick wrote: »

I hear a lot of really crap opinions in Dublin pubs from people once they hear my Northern accent. Some come out with the most Republican BS you can imagine, completely unthought opinions from people who know nothing about the North. It annoys me.

Don't worry they probably know feck all about the rest of ireland either!

McNulty32

When will the establishment learn and all the sheep who they have hoodwinked, there will NEVER EVER be stability in the Northern six counties nor an end to violence aslong as the region remains under British occupation, they can paint any rosy picture they want, that the national question has been solved, that peace has been declared, the militia police are now a secular police force called the 'PSNI, blah blah blah,

Behind all the above drivel, sectarianism among the communites is worse the ever, the criminalisation and repression of the nationalist people is at its worse in years, with widespread use of brutal unjust paramilitary police actions, such as random house raids, internment by remand, beatings, killings, use of plastic bullets on children, lets not forget widespread unployment, deary souless housing estates, and the highest suicide rate in all of Western Europe,
and you people have the cheek to call those who rise against this oppressions 'criminals and thieves' because they stand up and make their opinion known through the only means they have which is use of force use of force, and to give participation in the occupying forces parliament to attempt to make change as an alternative is absurd to republicans and only one with a ounce of principle, we wont get the Brits out by working for them, its been tried and tested in the past and has failed miserably,
people are tired of been told to stay in their place by British government, Unionists, West Brits, big business Sinn Fein reformist traitors and the Southern banana Republic.

You freestaters do what you do best, live comfortably with the thought that you dont live in the occupied province less then 3 hours up the road, and forget about the plight and tension your fellow countrymen live with, but dont forget to condemn them when they lash out, Im sure they give two f*cks to what you think giving the Souths cowardly record of indifference.

The Brits have tried everything, if they want to really solve the problem, then leave and this will all be a bad memory and we can get on as a nation once and for all.

MagicSean

McNulty32 wrote: »

When will the establishment learn and all the sheep who they have hoodwinked, there will NEVER EVER be stability in the Northern six counties nor an end to violence aslong as the region remains under British occupation, they can paint any rosy picture they want, that the national question has been solved, that peace has been declared, the militia police are now a secular police force called the 'PSNI, blah blah blah,

Behind all the above drivel, sectarianism among the communites is worse the ever, the criminalisation and repression of the nationalist people is at its worse in years, with widespread use of brutal unjust paramilitary police actions, such as random house raids, internment by remand, beatings, killings, use of plastic bullets on children, lets not forget widespread unployment, deary souless housing estates, and the highest suicide rate in all of Western Europe,
and you people have the cheek to call those who rise against this oppressions 'criminals and thieves' because they stand up and make their opinion known through the only means they have which is use of force use of force, and to give participation in the occupying forces parliament to attempt to make change as an alternative is absurd to republicans and only one with a ounce of principle, we wont get the Brits out by working for them, its been tried and tested in the past and has failed miserably,
people are tired of been told to stay in their place by British government, Unionists, West Brits, big business Sinn Fein reformist traitors and the Southern banana Republic.

You freestaters do what you do best, live comfortably with the thought that you dont live in the occupied province less then 3 hours up the road, and forget about the plight and tension your fellow countrymen live with, but dont forget to condemn them when they lash out, Im sure they give two f*cks to what you think giving the Souths cowardly record of indifference.

The Brits have tried everything, if they want to really solve the problem, then leave and this will all be a bad memory and we can get on as a nation once and for all.

I call them criminals and thieves because thats all they are. Its well known that dissident republicans are heavily involved in smuggling and drug dealing to fund their campaign. They also murder innocent people to make their point. The IRA was originally formed to protect the rights of catholics in the North. This mission has been completed. All thats left now are power hungry sociopaths who don't have the respect of anyone. There will be no Good Friday agreement for you when you are caught. You will go to jail for a long time. There will be no public outcry when you go on hunger strike because you have no support from the people of this country. You will pay for your crimes like the criminals that you are.

Denerick

McNulty32 wrote: »

When will the establishment learn and all the sheep who they have hoodwinked, there will NEVER EVER be stability in the Northern six counties nor an end to violence aslong as the region remains under British occupation, they can paint any rosy picture they want, that the national question has been solved, that peace has been declared, the militia police are now a secular police force called the 'PSNI, blah blah blah,

The vast majority of the people of Northern Ireland are content with the present system. 25% 'would like' a united Ireland - not demand, not force through military means, 'would like' a united Ireland. You cannot force your fringe minority views over the nose of the vast majority. I'd image practically every Catholic (Including myself) would like a united Ireland, but not at the expense of one drop of blood. And certainly not if the likes of you become its champions.

Behind all the above drivel, sectarianism among the communites is worse the ever, the criminalisation and repression of the nationalist people is at its worse in years, with widespread use of brutal unjust paramilitary police actions, such as random house raids, internment by remand, beatings, killings, use of plastic bullets on children, lets not forget widespread unployment, deary souless housing estates, and the highest suicide rate in all of Western Europe,

Wow. There are problems. Inner city Dublin has problems too. This doesn't give you an excuse to do whatever the hell you like.

and you people have the cheek to call those who rise against this oppressions 'criminals and thieves' because they stand up and make their opinion known through the only means they have which is use of force use of force, and to give participation in the occupying forces parliament to attempt to make change as an alternative is absurd to republicans and only one with a ounce of principle, we wont get the Brits out by working for them, its been tried and tested in the past and has failed miserably,
people are tired of been told to stay in their place by British government, Unionists, West Brits, big business Sinn Fein reformist traitors and the Southern banana Republic.

You are a fascist, you do realise this? Your elitist nonsense is completely aligned with fascist political philosophy. The Irish people rejected fascism in 1998. WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT IT AGAIN.

You freestaters do what you do best, live comfortably with the thought that you dont live in the occupied province less then 3 hours up the road, and forget about the plight and tension your fellow countrymen live with, but dont forget to condemn them when they lash out, Im sure they give two f*cks to what you think giving the Souths cowardly record of indifference.

The Brits have tried everything, if they want to really solve the problem, then leave and this will all be a bad memory and we can get on as a nation once and for all.

Good luck with that.

McNulty32

k_mac wrote: »

I call them criminals and thieves because thats all they are. Its well known that dissident republicans are heavily involved in smuggling and drug dealing to fund their campaign. They also murder innocent people to make their point. The IRA was originally formed to protect the rights of catholics in the North. This mission has been completed. All thats left now are power hungry sociopaths who don't have the respect of anyone. There will be no Good Friday agreement for you when you are caught. You will go to jail for a long time. There will be no public outcry when you go on hunger strike because you have no support from the people of this country. You will pay for your crimes like the criminals that you are.

My friend you have absolutely no clue whatsoever, and quite frankly are talking through your hole

Firstly let me give you a little history leason, because I think you need one, the IRA was founded in 1919, as the official army of the of the Irish republic, Dail Eireann being the ones to do this. it was an army that was to use guerilla warfare to take the offensive against the occupying British, a departure from the tactics of the Irish volunteers and United Irishmen before them who favored open field warfare, the IRA aims were to stand by the republic declared in 1916 and to force British withdrawal through use of force, not some Northen catholic defence association you have made it out, I think your confusing the IRA with the civil rights movement of the late 60's/70's association, the IRA has existed in some capacity since 1919, it will always exist make no doubt about it, and by the way religion has no baring on republicanism, its all about national sovereignty.

Secondly the republican mission as you put it, has not been completed, far from it, partition has been copperfastened, a United Ireland is further away then ever, and repression is as bad as it was in the 60s/70s, internment is being used again, plastic bullets by the RUC militia, beatings, collusion linked killings, intimidation of communities, take a trip up the road to North or West Belfast or Derry and have a gander.

Thirdly, you may see the actions as republicans as criminal, but that would lead me to believe you are in favor of British occupation and therefore subscribe to the laws they have established in the North of our country, but republicans refuse to adknowledge British laws as they see Britains very presence in Ireland as criminal itself, so to be frank again, you can stick your 'laws' where the sun dont shine, we dont care, and we dont care for the laws in the South either, and please provide evidence before making bogus claims republicans are involved in criminality, drug dealing???, a very bold assumption to make, but going from your previous silly posts Im assuming you are talking through your hole again.

Fourthly you dont know me, so please stop alluding that you know me, for all you know, I already served time, and if I am to do so again, I will gladly serve as a Prisoner of War, fighting a just cause, but all you know is Im some anonymouse guy/girl on the internet venting an opinion.

I suggest you educate yourself abit before posting anything, just because most of those who post here may agree with you, it doesnt make your posts right, as they are grossly inaccurate.

Denerick

McNulty32 wrote: »

My friend you have absolutely no clue whatsoever, and quite frankly are talking through your hole

Firstly let me give you a little history leason, because I think you need one, the IRA was founded in 1919, as the official army of the of the Irish republic, Dail Eireann being the ones to do this. it was an army that was to use guerilla warfare to take the offensive against the occupying British, a departure from the tactics of the Irish volunteers and United Irishmen before them who favored open field warfare, the IRA aims were to stand by the republic declared in 1916 and to force British withdrawal through use of force, not some Northen catholic defence association you have made it out, I think your confusing the IRA with the civil rights movement of the late 60's/70's association, the IRA has existed in some capacity since 1919, it will always exist make no doubt about it, and by the way religion has no baring on republicanism, its all about national sovereignty.

Yes, and this was revoked in the 1922 General election and further consolidated in the 1923 General election. The declaration of the Irish Republic is not set in stone, it is reliant on the wishes of the Irish people. The Irish Republic exists within the people. The people have long ago kindly asked your kind to butt out and allow civilisation to progress without you. You are a dinosour, you have no respect for the rights of individuals to decide their own destiny, you are a fascist who believes that his tiny unrepresentative ideology is the only legitimate idea that can shape the nation. Your kind of political thinking may not have been unusual when the Republicans opposed the Treaty settlement in 1922 - but history has moved on since then. Fascism is no longer acceptable in Ireland or anywhere else in the world.

Kindly, bugger off.

MagicSean

McNulty32 wrote: »

My friend you have absolutely no clue whatsoever, and quite frankly are talking through your hole

Firstly let me give you a little history leason, because I think you need one, the IRA was founded in 1919, as the official army of the of the Irish republic, Dail Eireann being the ones to do this. it was an army that was to use guerilla warfare to take the offensive against the occupying British, a departure from the tactics of the Irish volunteers and United Irishmen before them who favored open field warfare, the IRA aims were to stand by the republic declared in 1916 and to force British withdrawal through use of force, not some Northen catholic defence association you have made it out, I think your confusing the IRA with the civil rights movement of the late 60's/70's association, the IRA has existed in some capacity since 1919, it will always exist make no doubt about it, and by the way religion has no baring on republicanism, its all about national sovereignty.

Secondly the republican mission as you put it, has not been completed, far from it, partition has been copperfastened, a United Ireland is further away then ever, and repression is as bad as it was in the 60s/70s, internment is being used again, plastic bullets by the RUC militia, beatings, collusion linked killings, intimidation of communities, take a trip up the road to North or West Belfast or Derry and have a gander.

Thirdly, you may see the actions as republicans as criminal, but that would lead me to believe you are in favor of British occupation and therefore subscribe to the laws they have established in the North of our country, but republicans refuse to adknowledge British laws as they see Britains very presence in Ireland as criminal itself, so to be frank again, you can stick your 'laws' where the sun dont shine, we dont care, and we dont care for the laws in the South either, and please provide evidence before making bogus claims republicans are involved in criminality, drug dealing???, a very bold assumption to make, but going from your previous silly posts Im assuming you are talking through your hole again.

Fourthly you dont know me, so please stop alluding that you know me, for all you know, I already served time, and if I am to do so again, I will gladly serve as a Prisoner of War, fighting a just cause, but all you know is Im some anonymouse guy/girl on the internet venting an opinion.

I suggest you educate yourself abit before posting anything, just because most of those who post here may agree with you, it doesnt make your posts right, as they are grossly inaccurate.

The IRA you speak of from 1919 is gone. The fight against opression is over. Republicans in the North now have a political voice. This is what the IRA was supposed to give them.

You seem to think that the IRA only operate in British lands. If you think that you are living in the clouds. The IRA regularly break laws in the Republic. In fact, it is one of the reasons they have lost their support.

You are right. I don't know you and I wouldn't want to. But if you want to come on here to spout your propoganda you may be sure I won't be the only one who disagrees with you.

murf313

repression is as bad as it was in the 60s/70s, internment is being used again, plastic bullets by the RUC militia, beatings, collusion linked killings, intimidation of communities, take a trip up the road to North or West Belfast or Derry and have a gander.

we dont care, and we dont care for the laws in the South either, and please provide evidence before making bogus claims republicans are involved in criminality, drug dealing???,

I already served time, and if I am to do so again, I will gladly serve as a Prisoner of War, fighting a just cause, but all you know is Im some anonymouse guy/girl on the internet venting an opinion.

Sorry buddy but I grew up in south Armagh and go back home every couple of weeks. Pretty much every thing you have said is bull****.

im pretty sure i didnt see any plastic bullets being fired, catholics being dragged off to long kesh or intimidation of anyone. what i did see is the majority of people grateful that they are living a semi-normal life. I was in belfast a couple of weeks ago as i have friends up there and things seemed pretty normal to me.

I hope you are not referring to "WE" as anyone from the north because 99.9% of people do not share your small minded view. i find it disgusting actually.....

are you trying to sound hard by stating you served time??? i have relatives who were on the blanket protests who dont agree with your stupid mindless tactics to incite violence.

NO-ONE wants to go back to the crap you gob****es are starting again. so do yourselves a favour and f*ck off and blow each other up!

fontanalis

McNulty32 wrote: »

My friend you have absolutely no clue whatsoever, and quite frankly are talking through your hole

Firstly let me give you a little history leason, because I think you need one, the IRA was founded in 1919, as the official army of the of the Irish republic, Dail Eireann being the ones to do this. it was an army that was to use guerilla warfare to take the offensive against the occupying British, a departure from the tactics of the Irish volunteers and United Irishmen before them who favored open field warfare, the IRA aims were to stand by the republic declared in 1916 and to force British withdrawal through use of force, not some Northen catholic defence association you have made it out, I think your confusing the IRA with the civil rights movement of the late 60's/70's association, the IRA has existed in some capacity since 1919, it will always exist make no doubt about it, and by the way religion has no baring on republicanism, its all about national sovereignty.

Secondly the republican mission as you put it, has not been completed, far from it, partition has been copperfastened, a United Ireland is further away then ever, and repression is as bad as it was in the 60s/70s, internment is being used again, plastic bullets by the RUC militia, beatings, collusion linked killings, intimidation of communities, take a trip up the road to North or West Belfast or Derry and have a gander.

Thirdly, you may see the actions as republicans as criminal, but that would lead me to believe you are in favor of British occupation and therefore subscribe to the laws they have established in the North of our country, but republicans refuse to adknowledge British laws as they see Britains very presence in Ireland as criminal itself, so to be frank again, you can stick your 'laws' where the sun dont shine, we dont care, and we dont care for the laws in the South either, and please provide evidence before making bogus claims republicans are involved in criminality, drug dealing???, a very bold assumption to make, but going from your previous silly posts Im assuming you are talking through your hole again.

Fourthly you dont know me, so please stop alluding that you know me, for all you know, I already served time, and if I am to do so again, I will gladly serve as a Prisoner of War, fighting a just cause, but all you know is Im some anonymouse guy/girl on the internet venting an opinion.

I suggest you educate yourself abit before posting anything, just because most of those who post here may agree with you, it doesnt make your posts right, as they are grossly inaccurate.

You're like a seedy, thuggish Wolfie Smith.

McNulty32

murf313 wrote: »

Sorry buddy but I grew up in south Armagh and go back home every couple of weeks. Pretty much every thing you have said is bull****.

im pretty sure i didnt see any plastic bullets being fired, catholics being dragged off to long kesh or intimidation of anyone. what i did see is the majority of people grateful that they are living a semi-normal life. I was in belfast a couple of weeks ago as i have friends up there and things seemed pretty normal to me.

I hope you are not referring to "WE" as anyone from the north because 99.9% of people do not share your small minded view. i find it disgusting actually.....

are you trying to sound hard by stating you served time??? i have relatives who were on the blanket protests who dont agree with your stupid mindless tactics to incite violence.

NO-ONE wants to go back to the crap you gob****es are starting again. so do yourselves a favour and f*ck off and blow each other up!

No you wouldnt see such behavior from the security services in South Armagh because they have minimal presence in the area and other rural nationalist dominated areas, and are unable to operate, the communities such as those in South Armagh refuse to accept the RUC/PSNI as their police force and the are Brit Army is obviously not welcome, its actually too dangerous for them, it is a credit to people of S Armagh that they have the Brits too terrified to do their dirty business in the area.

Denerick

McNulty32 wrote: »

No you wouldnt see such behavior from the security services in South Armagh because they have minimal presence in the area and other rural nationalist dominated areas, and are unable to operate, the communities such as those in South Armagh refuse to accept the RUC/PSNI as their police force and the are Brit Army is obviously not welcome, its actually too dangerous for them, it is a credit to people of S Armagh that they have the Brits too terrified to do their dirty business in the area.

Do you chose to overlook facts that don't suit your fascist impulses?

JustinDee

The people on this island voted in referenda in 1998 for a solution. What we have now is a solution that the MAJORITY the people on this island democratically voted in support for.

partyatmygaff

McNulty32 wrote: »

No you wouldnt see such behavior from the security services in South Armagh because they have minimal presence in the area and other rural nationalist dominated areas, and are unable to operate, the communities such as those in South Armagh refuse to accept the RUC/PSNI as their police force and the are Brit Army is obviously not welcome, its actually too dangerous for them, it is a credit to people of S Armagh that they have theBrits too terrified to do their dirty business in the area.

Policing is always "dirty business" for people who don't want peace.

Live and let live instead of wasting your life fighting a war nobody wants nor needs.

Scofflaw

McNulty32 wrote:

My friend you have absolutely no clue whatsoever, and quite frankly are talking through your hole

That certainly seems to have stirred the pot a little. You're new, so you may have a first warning - your post is both personal and aggressive, and neither of those are acceptable. If you want to post in these forums, be aware that sticking with that attitude will lead to a ban sooner rather than later.

Those who have responded in kind - please don't do so. If there's an issue with a post or poster, please use the report facility rather than responding to aggression with aggression. Vigilantism doesn't lead anywhere productive.

moderately,
Scofflaw

murf313

McNulty32 wrote: »

No you wouldnt see such behavior from the security services in South Armagh because they have minimal presence in the area and other rural nationalist dominated areas, and are unable to operate, the communities such as those in South Armagh refuse to accept the RUC/PSNI as their police force and the are Brit Army is obviously not welcome, its actually too dangerous for them, it is a credit to people of S Armagh that they have the Brits too terrified to do their dirty business in the area.

what decade are you talking about??? there are no soldiers patroling the streets or roads anymore.
anytime i see the psni they are driving marked cars and there isnt any hostility towards them.
your living in the past dude.....

tell me this, if the psni are so evil and manned by protestants that intimidate catholics, why are the r/cira so dead set against catholics joining the force???
would it not make sense to have a 50/50 force that would treat everyone the same???

Denerick

murf313 wrote: »

what decade are you talking about??? there are no soldiers patroling the streets or roads anymore.
anytime i see the psni they are driving marked cars and there isnt any hostility towards them.
your living in the past dude.....

tell me this, if the psni are so evil and manned by protestants that intimidate catholics, why are the r/cira so dead set against catholics joining the force???
would it not make sense to have a 50/50 force that would treat everyone the same???

I can almost guarantee you that he's from somewhere in Carlow, grew up in an impecabbly middle class family, and trolls internet forums with fake Republicanism to cause a stir.

McNulty32

Denerick wrote: »

I can almost guarantee you that he's from somewhere in Carlow, grew up in an impecabbly middle class family, and trolls internet forums with fake Republicanism to cause a stir.

Thats me alright, except your wrong on all counts, but what will proving myself have to offer, Im the same as anyone who posts here, Im merely giving an opinion, from Antrim by the way and proud of it.

Denerick

McNulty32 wrote: »

Thats me alright, except your wrong on all counts, but what will proving myself have to offer, Im the same as anyone who posts here, Im merely giving an opinion, from Antrim by the way and proud of it.

I'm sorry. I only assume you're a troll because you sound an awful lot like one. And also because you ignore any criticism of your politics, which sounds quite a lot like an idiot who puts his hands over his ears and screams 'REPUBLIC!!! WE NEED A REPUBLIC!!! FREE STATERS CAN FÚCK OFF!!!'

paky

What does the Real IRA think its going to achieve that the Provisional IRA did not achieve in its 30 year campaign?

The Good Friday Agreement is the best deal republicans can get. They must learn to compromise and adapt to the current political climate. This is not 1916.

Denerick

paky wrote: »

What does the Real IRA think its going to achieve that the Provisional IRA did not achieve in its 30 year campaign?

The Good Friday Agreement is the best deal republicans can get. They must learn to compromise and adapt to the current political climate. This is not 1916.

You really think that they think? McNulty is a good example of their kind.

danman

You freestaters do what you do best, live comfortably with the thought that you dont live in the occupied province less then 3 hours up the road, and forget about the plight and tension your fellow countrymen live with, but dont forget to condemn them when they lash out, Im sure they give two f*cks to what you think giving the Souths cowardly record of indifference.

funny, isn't it?
He hates us in the south, yet, strangely, he wants to unite the island with us?

Go back under your rock.

amacachi

Denerick wrote: »

I'm sorry. I only assume you're a troll because you sound an awful lot like one. And also because you ignore any criticism of your politics, which sounds quite a lot like an idiot who puts his hands over his ears and screams 'REPUBLIC!!! WE NEED A REPUBLIC!!! FREE STATERS CAN FÚCK OFF!!!'

He actually reminds me of that wonderful breed of people from the south who'll sing rebel songs and say "**** the brits" and in the next breath start their xenophobic crap against someone with a northern accent.

LordSutch

k_mac wrote: »

The IRA was originally formed to protect the rights of catholics in the North. This mission has been completed. All thats left now are power hungry sociopaths who don't have the respect of anyone. There will be no Good Friday agreement for you when you are caught. You will go to jail for a long time. There will be no public outcry when you go on hunger strike because you have no support from the people of this country. You will pay for your crimes like the criminals that you are.

I'm not even going to bother having a go at McNulty32 because he is quite obviously a raving Republican of the militant kind, but but just to say this k_mac, the IRA you speak of (I presume you mean the Provo's) were one of the most vile, power hungry sociopathic terrorist groups ever to walk this earth, they bombed, knee capped, extorted, maimed, mutilated, and they murdered on a regular basis > But I'm not so sure if they ever "protected the rights of catholics in the North" . . .

And as for this new shower the 'Real IRA', well I'd say that they aspire to be just as deadly as the filth that went before them (the PIRA).

anglo_celt

moonpurple wrote: »

welcome billy the bomber to boards, your address is a gaelic location that does not exist, just as the aim for the rira and cira is an impossible make believe destination that no amount of bangs will make real,

Billy the Bomber??????

McNulty32

Camelot wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother having a go at McNulty32 because he is quite obviously a raving Republican of the militant kind, but but just to say this k_mac, the IRA you speak of (I presume you mean the Provo's) were one of the most vile, power hungry sociopathic terrorist groups ever to walk this earth, they bombed, knee capped, extorted, maimed, mutilated, and they murdered on a regular basis > But I'm not so sure if they ever "protected the rights of catholics in the North" . . .

And as for this new shower the 'Real IRA', well I'd say that they aspire to be just as deadly as the filth that went before them (the PIRA).

And what about the British Army that shoot, beat and brutalised countless scores of innocent people, burned poor nationalists out of their homes and aaided Loyalist pograms in banishing nationalists from intergrated neighbourhoods?

How about the RUC/B-Specials/PSNI/British police who passed on weaponary, info and logistical support to eager loyalist murderers to kill innocent people because they were Catholic?

Were these folk not also as vile as the IRA you hate so much?

Dannyboy83

McNulty32, do you think they (dissident republicans) will try to assassinate Gerry Adams?

What would your reaction to this be?

Denerick

McNulty32 wrote: »

And what about the British Army that shoot, beat and brutalised countless scores of innocent people, burned poor nationalists out of their homes and aaided Loyalist pograms in banishing nationalists from intergrated neighbourhoods?

How about the RUC/B-Specials/PSNI/British police who passed on weaponary, info and logistical support to eager loyalist murderers to kill innocent people because they were Catholic?

Were these folk not also as vile as the IRA you hate so much?

Why do you not respond to posts critical of your politics?

MagicSean

Camelot wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother having a go at McNulty32 because he is quite obviously a raving Republican of the militant kind, but but just to say this k_mac, the IRA you speak of (I presume you mean the Provo's) were one of the most vile, power hungry sociopathic terrorist groups ever to walk this earth, they bombed, knee capped, extorted, maimed, mutilated, and they murdered on a regular basis > But I'm not so sure if they ever "protected the rights of catholics in the North" . . .

And as for this new shower the 'Real IRA', well I'd say that they aspire to be just as deadly as the filth that went before them (the PIRA).

Nobody can deny that the rights of catholics in the north were non-existant when the PIRA began their violent campaign. The PIRA highlighted this problem. Wether we agree with their methods or not they were pushed to this action by the way they were treated and the result of their actions was to bring everyone to the table. Maybe they did become criminals but they were born from opression and frustration and violence visited upon them by the authorities of the time. They were a proportional response at the time. But this kind of response is no longer needed or acceptable. On the other hand the dissident republicans were born of greed and blood lust.

Denerick

k_mac wrote: »

Nobody can deny that the rights of catholics in the north were non-existant when the PIRA began their violent campaign. The PIRA highlighted this problem. Wether we agree with their methods or not they were pushed to this action by the way they were treated and the result of their actions was to bring everyone to the table. Maybe they did become criminals but they were born from opression and frustration and violence visited upon them by the authorities of the time. They were a proportional response at the time. But this kind of response is no longer needed or acceptable. On the other hand the dissident republicans were born of greed and blood lust.

Thats such a cop out and it makes a mockery of the non violent civil rights struggle led by courageous men and women from Derry to Down. The IRA capitalised on a groundswell of discontent and funneled it into a military campaign oblivious to popular consent and devoid of even the barest trace of chivalry. Its an out and out tragedy the way the civil rights movement has practically gotten written out of Northern Irish history because a few gun toting fanatics dictated the course of the Troubles.

MagicSean

Denerick wrote: »

Thats such a cop out and it makes a mockery of the non violent civil rights struggle led by courageous men and women from Derry to Down. The IRA capitalised on a groundswell of discontent and funneled it into a military campaign oblivious to popular consent and devoid of even the barest trace of chivalry. Its an out and out tragedy the way the civil rights movement has practically gotten written out of Northern Irish history because a few gun toting fanatics dictated the course of the Troubles.

Have you heard of Bloody Sunday? It was a civil rights march that was destroyed by "gun toting fanatics" in army uniforms. They were British soldiers. I'm not going to try to justify the PIRAs actions. I'm just trying to illustrate how their origins differ from that of the RIRA and why they had so much more support. There is no longer a "cause".

Denerick

k_mac wrote: »

Have you heard of Bloody Sunday? It was a civil rights march that was destroyed by "gun toting fanatics" in army uniforms. They were British soldiers. I'm not going to try to justify the PIRAs actions. I'm just trying to illustrate how their origins differ from that of the RIRA and why they had so much more support. There is no longer a "cause".

There's lots of blame to go round, and I didn't mean to fly off the handle like that. There is plenty of tragic stories that completely exonerate the frustrations of young men who joined the PIRA. But I'd love it if people stopped having this inchoate respect for the Provo's - John Hume didn't pick up a gun after bloody Sunday. And neither did the overwhelming majority of the nationalist community. They are the real victims of the Northern Irish Troubles, not the misled young men who were driven to violence by intolerable provocation.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Denerick wrote: »

I hear a lot of really crap opinions in Dublin pubs from people once they hear my Northern accent. Some come out with the most Republican BS you can imagine, completely unthought opinions from people who know nothing about the North. It annoys me.

Ok I had a feeling you meant something like this and I completely agree. What what you originally said "Nothing annoys me more than southern tossers trying to have an opinion about the North. I suppose they were right there in the middle of Derry on Bloody Sunday? Makes me sick." is completely different to that. I think you should be careful with that kind of statement because a lot of people in the south have a genuine interest in the north(often due to having relations there) and take the time to read books, visit the north and form opinions based on that rather than political soundbites and the latest hollywood adaption of a troubles event.

k mac wrote:

The IRA was originally formed to protect the rights of catholics in the North. This mission has been completed.

This is such an outrageous statement it's very clear you know nothing about the history of the troubles.

You're not alone however. There's a book by Henry McDonald called "gunsmoke and mirrors: how sinn fein dressed up defeat as victory" which is dedicated to the bizarre notion that the PIRA campaign was somehow an extension of the civil rights movement. A movement which was originally called the "Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association".


McNulty32 is getting a lot of stick on this thread but believe me he/she is a lot more educated about the conflict than many of those arguing against.

LordSutch

k_mac wrote: »

Nobody can deny that the rights of catholics in the north were non-existant when the PIRA began their violent campaign. The PIRA highlighted this problem. Wether we agree with their methods or not they were pushed to this action by the way they were treated and the result of their actions was to bring everyone to the table. Maybe they did become criminals but they were born from opression and frustration and violence visited upon them by the authorities of the time. They were a proportional response at the time. But this kind of response is no longer needed or acceptable. On the other hand the dissident republicans were born of greed and blood lust.

No no no, there was never any need for the actions of the PIRA (Bombings, knee cappings, murders, etc), you only have to google their actions to see the catalogue of terror & distruction they brought upon everybody on this island for 35 years, including Northern Nationalists.

Bombings & murders were not acceptable then, and they're not acceptable now!

Exile 1798

Denerick wrote: »

Thats such a cop out and it makes a mockery of the non violent civil rights struggle led by courageous men and women from Derry to Down. The IRA capitalised on a groundswell of discontent and funneled it into a military campaign oblivious to popular consent and devoid of even the barest trace of chivalry. Its an out and out tragedy the way the civil rights movement has practically gotten written out of Northern Irish history because a few gun toting fanatics dictated the course of the Troubles.

You'll find Republicans were prominent throughout the Civil Rights movement. Indeed, that was one of the key planks of Unionist demagoguery at the time.

I don't think this period has been written out of history at all.

gandalf

What I love about these NI threads is they descend into "they did this in the past" "the Army butchered/oppressed us in the past".

That's the past and really you need to look beyond it.

The vast majority of people on the WHOLE Island of Ireland spoke in 1998 and they stated categorically that they wanted a peaceful solution.

The crowd that call themselves the Real IRA or Continuity IRA or IRA Lite or "I can't believe its not the IRA" or whatever sad little moniker they give themselves these days are working against the majority will of the people of Ireland be they Catholic/Protestant/Nationalist/Unionist etc etc. They are working outside the law and therefore they are nothing but common criminals and should be treated as such.

They are on the same level as rapists, drug dealers, thieves and murderers. The bombing the other day was the dying bark of the crazed dog of Republicanism.

They are irrelevant and they don't like it.

Dannyboy83

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

McNulty32 is getting a lot of stick on this thread but believe me he/she is a lot more educated about the conflict than many of those arguing against.

I'm not giving any stick; I just want an answer to the questions I asked:

dannyboy83 wrote:

Q1
McNulty32, do you think they (dissident republicans) will try to assassinate Gerry Adams?

What would your reaction to this be?

dannyboy83 wrote:

Q2
Can you clarify what legitimate targets are?

Obviously, British troops, bases and intelligence are considered legitimate.

What else?
PSNI?
Sinn Fein?

Denerick

McNulty may well be more educated about the conflict than most here, but he certainly hasn't displayed that kind of level of learning. All I've read are repitions of soundbytes used throughout the generations in order to legitimise the kinds of violence the Irish electorate have consistently renounced.

MagicSean

Denerick wrote: »

There's lots of blame to go round, and I didn't mean to fly off the handle like that. There is plenty of tragic stories that completely exonerate the frustrations of young men who joined the PIRA. But I'd love it if people stopped having this inchoate respect for the Provo's - John Hume didn't pick up a gun after bloody Sunday. And neither did the overwhelming majority of the nationalist community. They are the real victims of the Northern Irish Troubles, not the misled young men who were driven to violence by intolerable provocation.

I didn't mean to show any respect to the provisionals. I just find them less repulsive than the dissidents because they had a cause that was understandable.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

This is such an outrageous statement it's very clear you know nothing about the history of the troubles.

And it's clear you know little of the reality of the situation when the PIRA started their campaign back in the 70s. The oppression of Catholics was the reason so many joined the PIRA.

Camelot wrote: »

No no no, there was never any need for the actions of the PIRA (Bombings, knee cappings, murders, etc), you only have to google their actions to see the catalogue of terror & distruction they brought upon everybody on this island for 35 years, including Northern Nationalists.

Bombings & murders were not acceptable then, and they're not acceptable now!

I don't recall saying bombings and murders were acceptable and I resent that implication. All I said was that the effect of their actions was to highlight the lack of rights of catholics in NI.

moonpurple

the good friday agreement

DECLARATION OF SUPPORT
1. We, the participants in the multi-party negotiations, believe that the
agreement we have negotiated offers a truly historic opportunity for a new
beginning.
2. The tragedies of the past have left a deep and profoundly regrettable
legacy of suffering. We must never forget those who have died or been
injured, and their families. But we can best honour them through a fresh
start, in which we firmly dedicate ourselves to the achievement of
reconciliation, tolerance, and mutual trust, and to the protection and
vindication of the human rights of all.
3. We are committed to partnership, equality and mutual respect as the
basis of relationships within Northern Ireland, between North and South,
and between these islands.
4. We reaffirm our total and absolute commitment to exclusively
democratic and peaceful means of resolving differences on political
issues, and our opposition to any use or threat of force by others for any
political purpose, whether in regard to this agreement or otherwise