Best flip (can be opened) lid?

worded

Im having a look around.

I dont want blue tooth, just a flip open lid.

Anyone love their flip lid?

KamiKazi

Despise them, full face is the only way to go.

worded

KamiKazi wrote: »

Despise them, full face is the only way to go.

I only do short distance / leisure runs.

Each to their won, but you are wrong KamiKazi !!

KamiKazi

worded wrote: »

I only do short distance / leisure runs.

Each to their won, but you are wrong KamiKazi !!

I'm wrong about my opinion yeah? :rolleyes:

Cuddlesworth

worded wrote: »

I only do short distance / leisure runs.

Each to their won, but you are wrong KamiKazi !!

I wasn't aware that short distance/ leisure runs makes you immune from accidents.

Full lid is far far safer. Read up on it.

worded

Im right, your wrong, Im right, your wrong ..........

Ah people I know you are right safety wise. I find the full face lids restrict vision. I like the open air feeling.

Please can someone recomend a open face lid?

I dont want safety advice.

Cuddlesworth

http://www.caberglids.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=87&products_id=307

There you go. Now you can throw that on with your sneakers, normal gloves, jeans and cut off sleeved leather jacket. Looking cool. Ahhhh yeahhh.

worded

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

http://www.caberglids.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=87&products_id=307

There you go. Now you can throw that on with your sneakers, normal gloves, jeans and cut off sleeved leather jacket. Looking cool. Ahhhh yeahhh.

I like the ones with a flip down sun visor as well, and optional flip down thingy that makes it a full face.

worded

Few on this site

http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/shop/index.php/cPath/43_188

Try1ng

I had a kbc flip and it was very good. Recently got a nolan, louder put has the integrated sun visor.
Either are good imo.

Best of luck with your purchase

Tigger

worded wrote: »

I only do short distance / leisure runs.

Each to their won, but you are wrong KamiKazi !!

he's not

jameshayes

I'm not a fan either but the lad asked for recommendations.. i've heard the roof ones are supposed to be the best - the caberg is supposed to be good too - I've the caberg V2R (full face) and if the flip is as comfortable it'd be a good buy

Pataman

I have a roof helmet, find it very comfortable, and you can have it open or closed, ie full face.

Cuddlesworth

Pataman wrote: »

I have a roof helmet, find it very comfortable, and you can have it open or closed, ie full face.

Open face helmets have little to no face protection, if you crash you aint going to look pretty anymore.

Flip up helmets are dubious. Although they give the impression of providing full face cover, I just don't think their locking mechanisms are capable of remaining closed during high damage impacts. They also are well down on their ability to dissipate the force of a impacts across the helmet as the front is structurally independent. Edit, oh and if you ride with them up you stand a way better chance of snapping your neck in a off.

MikeC101

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Open face helmets have little to no face protection, if you crash you aint going to look pretty anymore.

Flip up helmets are dubious. Although they give the impression of providing full face cover, I just don't think their locking mechanisms are capable of remaining closed during high damage impacts. They also are well down on their ability to dissipate the force of a impacts across the helmet as the front is structurally independent. Edit, oh and if you ride with them up you stand a way better chance of snapping your neck in a off.

The SHARP tests had some interesting data on how often these style of helmets stayed closed in an impact test (they call them "system" helmets for some reason, the only one I see that got 100% was the BMW System 5 (pricey lid, that), and some of them were very low. Combine that with the 30% chance of impact on the chin part of the helmet in a crash.

Obviously, it's up to the individual what they choose to wear - but I've never found a full face makes any difference in my field of vision, and it's a lot more comfortable than getting bugs / stone / hail in the face at any speed.

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Edit, oh and if you ride with them up you stand a way better chance of snapping your neck in a off.

That's a very good point alright, tests have shown that the smoother the helmet is, the better, and anything that might snag or catch the ground as it slides along makes it less effective. Some of the flip ups looks like they'd catch the ground if you hit at the wrong angle.

alanmc

I've got a Roof Boxer. When the chin guard is down (and clipped shut) it's "supposed" to be as safe as a full-face in an off. I've had it for about 2 years now. Good lid.

However .....

It is very noisy at motorway speeds. It doesn't seem to insulate against the wind noise as well as my old Arashi full-face. I find myseld reaching for ear-plugs when going on long trips.

The chin guard when it's closed is *very* close to your chin. Sometimes uncomfortably so.

The visor needs to be pulled down *before* the chin guard to provide a full watertight seal. It is very stiff to just flip up and down if you want some wind in your face.

My next lid will be a full face.

gipi

I have a Schuberth C3 flip helmet which I find very comfortable and fairly quiet (although like alanmc said can be noisy on the motorway at speed). Has the integrated sun visor, and pinlock insert.

KTRIC

gipi wrote: »

I have a Schuberth C3 flip helmet which I find very comfortable and fairly quiet (although like alanmc said can be noisy on the motorway at speed). Has the integrated sun visor, and pinlock insert.

I should be getting one of those soon, really like the look of the matte black one

mattblacktiger

Got a roof boxer and really like it.
roomy lid and fits really well
Over here stateside when I'm travelling
I'll sometimes go without a lid
personal choice and freedoms and all that.

Tigger

KTRIC wrote: »

I should be getting one of those soon, really like the look of the matte black one

i have the schuy matt black r1 and it is whisper quiet up to 90 as long as you weay a scarf under it(as per thier instructions)

i love it its comfy and practical

although my carbon craft is still way cooler

Tomohawk

Another vote for the Roof Boxer, I have one in black. I wear it down full-faced most of the time though. The safety rating is surprising good on that survey in a previous post.

Zascar

I have a flip lid - it's a Caberg Trip. Few people I know have them and we all think they are excellent. I wear glasses and trying to get your helmet on and your glasses is a serious pain in the ass. at least with a flip you can put it on and then close the lid. I rarely drive with it open though. it has a double visor thing too which is really handy

I'm sure they are not as strong as a full face but i hardly think they are dangerous. My one gets a 5 star rating just like the BMW one and its a fraction of the price.
http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/search/details/?id=110

Dermot Illogical

I have a BMW System 5 flip-up. If I met the designer I'd hit him over the head with it. Lousy design, guaranteed the space around yer ears will fill with all sorts of winged critters in summer.
If I hadn't got it for free I'd be looking for my money back.
I've heard good things about Roof though..

Zascar

Just shows expensive doesn't always mean good. A lot of people seem to think so though

MikeC101

BMW helmets are made by Schuberth - I'd guess theres very little difference in quality, but there is a bit of a difference in price.

It's strange, when you look into it, how many of the big name brands in motorcycling, including gear and actual bike manufacturers, have parts and so on made by companies with no reputation, or in a factory in China.

I suppose people rely on their quality control meaning standards are higher, or are taken in by the marketing.

It's an awful pity some of the Chinese manufacturers don't get their act together and start making some higher quality bikes - the Koreans seem to have copped on to this in the last few years.

The Nutty M

I've a white roof boxer v and a shark evoline as well as an rsr2.Of the 2 flip ups I prefer the roof for summer weather and the shark for ****ty weather but it's all up to preference. The shark while it is a nice helmet has too many gimmicky things that are half designed,ie the internal sunvisor that is too short for a low sun,the visor seal that locks the visor like glue.The roof could be better for design wise,the chin guard sits awful close to your chin when closed as previously mentioned,I've heard of people breaking off the plastic straps very easily but there has been no problem with mine.
If I was in your situation as well with short commutering I'd have the flip up on all the time,very handy for going in for petrol and stuff.

Good luck with your decision.:)

AgileMyth

My father swears by his Roof Boxer and has done since they came out first. He had a fairly serious off a couple of years back and it stood up well. Good quality gear ,including the lid, saved his life that day.

Paparazzo

I have a Nolan N102 for 3 years, reckon I'll replace it in a few months with the newer version, great lid. Got it on fc-moto, here's the newer version: http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/10207048/Categories/motorradhelme-Helmets/Nolan-Helmets/Nolan-N103
I tried it on in Hein Gericke and bought it on fc-moto, saved about €30, but fc-moto had way more colours where as Hein Gericke only had 2.

marlin vs

Iv'e a Caberg and find it nice to be able to open it while i'm sitting in traffic, especially on a sunny day, each one to their own.

Paparazzo

marlin vs wrote: »

Iv'e a Caberg and find it nice to be able to open it while i'm sitting in traffic, especially on a sunny day, each one to their own.

Yeah, I wouldn't get a non flip-up ever again, they're fantastic. Great to be able to open it when you get to a town or something. You can leave it on when getting petrol too or when you need to talk to someone

bladespin

Carberg Justissimo (similar to the trip), excellent lid, very comfortable and safe (tested in Bike and many other mags, performed well in all).

TBH I always have it closed when out on a run but love to be able to open it in slow traffic and when stopped.

Zascar

iirc the only difference between the Trip and the Justissimo is that the Justissimo can remove the front flip perminantly, and it nativly takes bluetooth. Not worth the extra money imo

bladespin

Zascar wrote: »

iirc the only difference between the Trip and the Justissimo is that the Justissimo can remove the front flip perminantly, and it nativly takes bluetooth. Not worth the extra money imo

I don't think that's right, the main difference is the vents, you can't take the flip off a justissimo.

Zascar

Oh ok, how are the vents different?

I'm actually thinking of getting a new lid myself but what are my options if I want something like the Caberg Trip, is it the best in its range or are there better alternatives?

bladespin

Zascar wrote: »

Oh ok, how are the vents different?

I'm actually thinking of getting a new lid myself but what are my options if I want something like the Caberg Trip, is it the best in its range or are there better alternatives?

Not exactly sure of the differences, just the design around the mouthguard.

I have a justissimo myself, it's right up there, it's the most comfortable lids I've ever owned, it's finish is excellent, I'm using Shoei as my standard here and it stood up well. Schuberth would be the competition but they're very expensive for a similar quality lid.

The sun visor looks dead cool too :cool: (sorry fashion victim in training)



Just remember flips are all noisy by design so you'll need earplugs to save your ears.

Zascar

Lads one of my mates got this helmet the other day and says its great:

Duchini D619 - it's a flip with double visor - and intergrated bluetooth!
It's €169 in Cotters which seems like amazing value!
http://www.cottermc.com/webshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_250&products_id=1353
I'm not to keen on the high gloss finish though really. Still they are a lot of helmet for the money.

The only thing is, I looked on that helmet safety page, this particular model is not listed but the 601 only get 1 star. hmmmmm
What do you think?

KamiKazi

Zascar wrote: »

Lads one of my mates got this helmet the other day and says its great:

Duchini D619 - it's a flip with double visor - and intergrated bluetooth!
It's €169 in Cotters which seems like amazing value!
http://www.cottermc.com/webshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_250&products_id=1353
I'm not to keen on the high gloss finish though really. Still they are a lot of helmet for the money.

The only thing is, I looked on that helmet safety page, this particular model is not listed but the 601 only get 1 star. hmmmmm
What do you think?

Not a bad price, do they do a full face version? How's the bluetooth?

Paparazzo

Zascar wrote: »

Lads one of my mates got this helmet the other day and says its great:

Duchini D619 - it's a flip with double visor - and intergrated bluetooth!
It's €169 in Cotters which seems like amazing value!
http://www.cottermc.com/webshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_250&products_id=1353
I'm not to keen on the high gloss finish though really. Still they are a lot of helmet for the money.

The only thing is, I looked on that helmet safety page, this particular model is not listed but the 601 only get 1 star. hmmmmm
What do you think?

Looks like savage value with bluetooth. Maybe just google the helmet? Maybe a bike magazine reviewed it somewhere?

Zascar

That I did, did not come up[ with much. Strange I thought it would have got more attention than it has considering the features and price...

alanmc

Zascar wrote: »

Lads one of my mates got this helmet the other day and says its great:

Duchini D619 - it's a flip with double visor - and intergrated bluetooth!
It's €169 in Cotters which seems like amazing value!
http://www.cottermc.com/webshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_250&products_id=1353
I'm not to keen on the high gloss finish though really. Still they are a lot of helmet for the money.

The only thing is, I looked on that helmet safety page, this particular model is not listed but the 601 only get 1 star. hmmmmm
What do you think?

Found this link: http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/239950/Clothing-and-Helmets/Helmets-Flip/Duchinni

Note the review that someone has left ...

2 stars
Very comfortable but unstable at Mway speeds Very Very noisy leaks like a colander but what can you expect for the price?

Bluetooth wouldn't be much good to me on the motorway if this review is to be believed.

Zascar, maybe your mate can provide us with a small review? I like the look of it and the feature list is pretty comprehensive.

Zascar

Hmm... Well he's only brand new to Biking but I'll see what he says

Can anyone who is a member on the other forums post and see what peeps over there say?

bladespin

Why on earth would anyone want bluetooth in a helmet? :eek:

alanmc

bladespin wrote: »

Why on earth would anyone want bluetooth in a helmet? :eek:

Someitmes you just have to take that call. Hehehehe!

Great excuse for work. "I missed your call? .... I was on the bike".

Zascar

I've heard from friends it's well handy to have to answer a quick call - however mainly it integrates into your satnav if you want and can also work as an intercom between 2 helmets (no idea how this works though). Or you can play music through your phone if you want too.

Looking at other options, the Caberg Trip which is what I have now, has been replaced for 2010 with the Konda

http://www.caberg-helm.com/products/caberg_konda.php
http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/caberg-konda/

Strom

I have a schuberth C2, find it very good, I had a Caberg Justissimo before that, it was good, but heavy and let in a good bit of water around the visor, it also was a feck to fog up. If you have the cash go for the C3, the only flip thats race approved and the quietest lid, full or flip on the market and pin lock.

As for the bluetooth, I've autocom and bluetooth. Its great when you've someone on the back and its class to be able to go on a ride out with a mate and be able to talk at times with him (bike to bike)

I also find it very good to take a call or two when I'm heading away for a few day on the bike, makes everyone at home happy that if they are worried they can just call and make sure some fecker in a cage hasn't used me as a target. (Which they did last weekend, but I was very lucky)

Zascar

Looks like a realyl nice lid - good bit more expensive though, about €350 http://cgi.ebay.ie/NEW-Schuberth-C2-Black-space-matt-graphic-size-small-/330428068499?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycle_Helmets&hash=item4cef0c3293#ht_1581wt_1165

Strom

There's a site called gear4bikers.co.uk or helmet city. I got mine from gear4bikers for £175 (I think) it was just under 200 euro.

There are great deals around, or if you can wait, go to the bike show in the NEC, I got a Arai Tour there last year again for under 200 euro. Again, they are a great lid but not a flip.

bladespin

Strom wrote: »

I have a schuberth C2, find it very good, I had a Caberg Justissimo before that, it was good, but heavy and let in a good bit of water around the visor, it also was a feck to fog up. If you have the cash go for the C3, the only flip thats race approved and the quietest lid, full or flip on the market and pin lock.

Aren't all helmets with the ACU gold stamp approved for racing?
Been out a few times with the Carberg and haven't had any hassle from scrutineering.

Strom

I'm not sure bladespin, But it is whats on the sites selling them and is what I've heard from talking to others. But it could of course be pure shi== put of as a marketing stunt.

bladespin

Strom wrote: »

I'm not sure bladespin, But it is whats on the sites selling them and is what I've heard from talking to others. But it could of course be pure shi== put of as a marketing stunt.

It's BS, have a read of the ACU's regulations, many flips qualify.

Strom

http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/acu-gold-sticker.htm

Came across the above after a bit more trawling -

The ACU Gold sticker has been recognized by many worldwide motorcycle racing governance bodies as a high-level helmet safety standard for motorcycle racing; many of those organizations will only allow motorcycle racers to use helmets with the ACU Gold sticker.

ACU Gold stickers were normally awarded to motorcycle helmets meeting the BSI Type A safety standard, while the ACU Silver stickers were awarded to helmets meeting the BSI Type B standard. But with the adoption of the ECE 22.05 safety standards, the Silver sticker had been discontinued.

However, it was recently found that the ACU has been selling ACU Gold stickers to distributors of many different types of motorcycle helmets whether or not they met BSI Type A. It was claimed that since the ACU received a royalty for the use of the sticker that they were devaluing the worth of the ACU Gold sticker by selling them to many undeserving motorcycle helmet manufacturers.

To ACU's credit, they have decided to abandon this strategy and attempt to bring back the value of the sticker as a label of confidence to the consumer that the helmet does indeed meet certain safety standards.

The plan is to have a new ACU five star rating for motorcycle helmet safety crash testing. Helmets sold in the UK will now be awarded 1 to 5 stars, depending upon its ability to pass certain tests that are a combination of Snell and ECE 22.05 regulations.

NOTE: This is a developing story. It's unclear at this point what the new label may look like or what it will be called.

But as you said, they are letting them in at the moment. But back to the point!

They are a good flip regardless of the spin the company puts out.