ngwenya 80 meter cut on the outside

handsomecake

talk about having a go from deep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDKUWwu9hgQ

JustinDee

Should have been planted by Williams on the line.

Still a savage try. Leaving ickle in the dust like that.

handsomecake

Deleted User wrote: »

Still a savage try. Leaving ickle in the dust like that.

the best thing about it is that 99 times out of a hundred the player in this case (traille) would have just booted it out,or upfield.good to see some uninhibited counter attacking rugby

thomond2006

You won't see that in Super 14.

D-Generate

In the RWC 07 he showed his phenomenal speed when he outpaced Habana. Lets hope Dowling/Hurley will be able to make the tackles before he uses his afterburners.

handsomecake

thomond2006 wrote: »

You won't see that in Super 14.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYSuETQFpWY van den heever this year

funky penguin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBcb_W4g2A

Aidric

Searing pace. Reminds me a lot of myself in my pomp.

irishbucsfan

thomond2006 wrote: »

You won't see that in Super 14.

Actually you see awful defending like that in the Super 14 all the time.

That's why it's inferior to the H Cup (the games this weekend were a disgrace defensively, some ridiculous amounts of bonus points being given away this season)

JustinDee

irishbucsfan wrote: »

That's why it's inferior to the H Cup

Thats just a matter of taste and nothing else.
There is no feasible method of comparison apart from games played between the countries from each competition.

profitius

I don't think it was a great try at all. He ran fast in a straight line and the defenders were feable in their tackling. Hickies try against Toulouse a few years back was far superior.

outwest

no it wasnt. that try was special, he had less than 5 metre to work with, good handoff as well,


usa rugby should use this guy as their poster boy. one of the top winger is the world imo

irishbucsfan

JustinDee wrote: »

Thats just a matter of taste and nothing else.
There is no feasible method of comparison apart from games played between the countries from each competition.

Games between national teams have absolutely nothing to do with the standards of international club competitions.

You're right though that it's a matter of taste. But for example, the average winning margin in the H Cup so far this weekend (only 3 games played) is 5 while the average winning margin in the Super 14 is 18 points. And that's a reflection of exactly why the Super 14 has become boring. Some of the teams in the competition are awful, and they just continuously get hammered by the elite teams. The only decent games are the finals, and theres only 3 of those a year.

sock puppet

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Actually you see awful defending like that in the Super 14 all the time.

That's why it's inferior to the H Cup (the games this weekend were a disgrace defensively, some ridiculous amounts of bonus points being given away this season)

What about the defences of the Waratahs and Crusaders this weekend? The Stormers have conceded an average of 12 points per game this season. They have two try bonus points, the Brumbies have one.

irishbucsfan

sock puppet wrote: »

What about the defences of the Waratahs and Crusaders this weekend? The Stormers have conceded an average of 12 points per game this season. They have two try bonus points, the Brumbies have one.

They're excellent teams. The Tahs, Crusaders, Reds, Bulls etc. are all great teams. I'm not saying that the teams in the Super 14 are poor. The competition itself is poor though, because of the layout, and because of the awful standard of the lesser teams. As evidenced by the embarrassing score-lines the competition has produced this season.

sock puppet

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They're excellent teams. The Tahs, Crusaders, Reds, Bulls etc. are all great teams. I'm not saying that the teams in the Super 14 are poor. The competition itself is poor though, because of the layout, and because of the awful standard of the lesser teams. As evidenced by the embarrassing score-lines the competition has produced this season.

The huge gap between the top and bottom teams is huge yes. But in the Heineken Cup you get the Italian sides, mid-ranked French sides, and the poorer Magners League sides all getting trounced. Granted the Italians aside the gap isn't as wide as in the Super 14. And while they're never up to much outside of South Africa, the Cheetahs have beaten several top sides at home.

JustinDee

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Games between national teams have absolutely nothing to do with the standards of international club competitions

Au contraire, if you're not going by taste, they're the only manner of comparison available if you're claiming one comp is 'better' than the other.

irishbucsfan

sock puppet wrote: »

The huge gap between the top and bottom teams is huge yes. But in the Heineken Cup you get the Italian sides, mid-ranked French sides, and the poorer Magners League sides all getting trounced. Granted the Italians aside the gap isn't as wide as in the Super 14. And while they're never up to much outside of South Africa, the Cheetahs have beaten several top sides at home.

That's true, Treviso etc. get well beaten.

However, the format of the H Cup means that the games are far more competitive, and therefore played to a higher standard. The group stage -> QF -> SF -> Final format makes for far more competitive rugby, and a far more exciting competition.

The Super 14 doesn't get exciting until the end of the season. I don't think the two competitions can be compared. And because it's the only competition the franchises have down there it means that the comparison of SH clubs and NH clubs is impossible to make, because the top NH clubs play at a far more competitive standard.

JustinDee wrote: »

Au contraire, if you're not going by taste, they're the only manner of comparison available if you're claiming one comp is 'better' than the other.

International teams in either hemisphere and the standard they play to have nothing to do with the quality of the H Cup or the Super 14. I understand what you mean though. I don't think you can compare the "quality" of the competitions without being subjective. I'm basing my opinion on competitiveness. Each game in the H Cup means far more and it shows.

handsomecake

i think the distances teams have to travel also plays a part in the super 14.travelling from thomond park to welford road is a lot different from travelling from queenstown to loftus versfeld.less fans travel to away games also.

the bulls gave everyone a hiding at home this year then went on tour and got beaten quite easily by the auckland blues in eden park who themselves are getting beaten by everyone else.

its very hard to win away

irishbucsfan

handsomecake wrote: »

i think the distances teams have to travel also plays a part in the super 14.travelling from thomond park to welford road is a lot different from travelling from queenstown to loftus versfeld.less fans travel to away games also.

Imagine how hard it would be to support your team away in the Super 14...

The timezones must make a difference. I can't believe you can perform at your peak while you're adjusting your body clock.

handsomecake

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Imagine how hard it would be to support your team away in the Super 14...

The timezones must make a difference. I can't believe you can perform at your peak while you're adjusting your body clock.

watch it during the tri nations ,its hilarious.the springboks seem faster and stronger at home compared to aus and nz. they look lethargic and jaded after their flights

Shelflife

It wasnt a great try at all, it was terrible defending from phillips and absolutely terrible defending from williams. all he did was run fast