what is the point of setanta sports ireland in ireland

ftakeith

us masters golf is live on bbctv
fa cup semi finals is live on itv1 or utv
formula one is live on bbc tv
most of the magners league rugby is live on bbc and s4c
uefa champions league is live on tv3, rte2 and itv1

what is the point of setanta sports ireland, it should merge with tv3 to give rte real competition

setanta's interactive web coverage of uefa champions league is more expensive than sky's version

they just have the 3pm eng premiership games on saturday but the big games are on sky

niall cogley and the rest of the setanta ireland are only in business due to dodgy business deals with cable providers and irish persons not getting the full information about what is available on fta satellite and an outdoor tv aerial in ireland

Manc-Red

Other than the 3pms,there's no real draw there that can't be picked up live any where else for free

gan23

this is true,
They are also showing alot of indian premier league cricket which is available on ITV4. Do they actually have anything worth the crazy 16/month sub???? I dont think so

Minstrel27

Top Gear repeats are worth the €16 per month surely.

Manc-Red

Its not a package I'd subscribe to thats for sure.

Manc-Red

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Top Gear repeats are worth the €16 per month surely.

Absolutely not, 188 euro py for a sports channel showing repeats of a car show & 1 premiership match is grossly over-priced imo.

gan23

Dont get me wrong i would like to support setanta, being an irish company n all, but they really need to improve the programming content and reduce the sub. until this happens i dont see a bright future for them. hope they can sort it out

Minstrel27

Manc-Red wrote: »

Absolutely not, 188 euro py for a sports channel showing repeats of a car show & 1 premiership match is grossly over-priced imo.

I guess you don't detect sarcasm then.

gan23 wrote: »

they really need to improve the programming content and reduce the sub. until this happens i dont see a bright future for them. hope they can sort it out

Reducing the sub wouldn't be enough. They should scrap Setanta Sports 1 and put Setanta Ireland onto the basic packages just like Eurosport. Surely the advertising revenue would be greater.

An Tarbh

The Magners League games they produce are not shown in the UK and for those with UPC, which is still quite a lot, we don't get S4C or BBC Wales. The Champions League they show is games that aren't on RTÉ or TV3. I prefer the American commentary on the Masters, obviously without the interludes of Fred Cogley, but you can't have everything. Gary Anderson is excellent for the F1, so grateful that I don't have to put up with that numpty Jake Humphreys and the wooden David Coulthard.

You could make the same point about RTÉ, why show the 6 Nations since it's on BBC, why show the Champions League, it's on ITV, why show the Grand National and Cheltenham, they're on Channel 4 and BBC and even worse with their commentary to boot. Why the World Cup and European Championships when they're on BBC and ITV.

I've still got plenty of gripes with Setanta but I'm more than happy with the alternative coverage they provide.

Minstrel27

An Tarbh wrote: »

You could make the same point about RTÉ, why show the 6 Nations since it's on BBC, why show the Champions League, it's on ITV, why show the Grand National and Cheltenham, they're on Channel 4 and BBC and even worse with their commentary to boot. Why the World Cup and European Championships when they're on BBC and ITV.

That's not a valid point. There are many households that do not have BBC/ITV/C4

Anybody with Setanta Sports has BBC/ITV/C4.

An Tarbh

Minstrel27 wrote: »

That's not a valid point. There are many households that do not have BBC/ITV/C4

Anybody with Setanta Sports has BBC/ITV/C4.

ah come off it, there's not that many left in 4 channel land.

Minstrel27

An Tarbh wrote: »

ah come off it, there's not that many left in 4 channel land.

Easy to say when you are in Dublin.

Digifriendly

An Tarbh wrote: »

The Magners League games they produce are not shown in the UK and for those with UPC, which is still quite a lot, we don't get S4C or BBC Wales.

First part not strictly true. STV's ML coverage always includes highlights of matches in Ireland and BBC2W have recently begun to show brief highlights of Irish matches too.

icdg

ftakeith wrote: »

us masters golf is live on bbctv
fa cup semi finals is live on itv1 or utv

The earlier rounds of the FA Cup were given far more substantial coverage on Setanta than ITV was able to provide, I remember one weekend in the earlier rounds Setanta had 6 matches and ITV had 2...

most of the magners league rugby is live on bbc and s4c

BBC Wales. There are 600,000 odd cable households out there who get Setanta Ireland included in their basic package. Unless they also have a satellite dish (and there aren't a great deal who can afford both) they don't have BBC Wales or S4C. We get BBC Northern Ireland and Channel 4 instead.

The 3pm Premier League matches will never be on any UK based broadcaster, except perhaps a future Sky Sports opt-out for ROI. The FA does not allow them to be shown in the UK. Period.

I could also mention their coverage of the GAA National Leagues, although I'm a bit annoyed at them for putting all of Dublin's games on Setanta Sports 1, so I won't. Neither RTÉ or TV3 will never give the leagues that kind of coverage (which would require them to give up their valuable Saturday night prime time schedule) and TG4 is already covering the Sunday afternoon games.

They're also covering a number of Europa League games that aren't on any other broadcaster here, given Channel Five's lack of availablity in ROI.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not uncritical of Setanta. I think for cable viewers particularly Setanta Sports 1 is way overpriced at €15 p/m. I get annoyed every time they shift a big rugby match onto the said Setanta Sports 1. But I don't think Setanta should pack up its bags just yet. If the rumoured loss of Magners' League coverage proves true though, it may need to reconsider things...

what is the point of setanta sports ireland, it should merge with tv3 to give rte real competition

They're two different proposition. TV3 is a free to air general entertainment channel, who has proved time and time again that they are not really interested in sports. They have picked up the Champions League and Europa League, but show me the sports fan who prefers their UEFACL coverage to RTÉs. Otherwise its a handful of early-round GAA matches during the summer and the Rugby World Cup every four years and that is it for TV3 Sport. Whereas Setanta is a pay-TV sports broadcaster.

An Tarbh

Digifriendly wrote: »

First part not strictly true. STV's ML coverage always includes highlights of matches in Ireland and BBC2W have recently begun to show brief highlights of Irish matches too.

You're talking about highlights though not live coverage, so there's quite a difference between the 2.

An Tarbh

icdg wrote: »

The earlier rounds of the FA Cup were given far more substantial coverage on Setanta than ITV was able to provide, I remember one weekend in the earlier rounds Setanta had 6 matches and ITV had 2...



BBC Wales. There are 600,000 odd cable households out there who get Setanta Ireland included in their basic package. Unless they also have a satellite dish (and there aren't a great deal who can afford both) they don't have BBC Wales or S4C. We get BBC Northern Ireland and Channel 4 instead.

The 3pm Premier League matches will never be on any UK based broadcaster, except perhaps a future Sky Sports opt-out for ROI. The FA does not allow them to be shown in the UK. Period.

I could also mention their coverage of the GAA National Leagues, although I'm a bit annoyed at them for putting all of Dublin's games on Setanta Sports 1, so I won't. Neither RTÉ or TV3 will never give the leagues that kind of coverage (which would require them to give up their valuable Saturday night prime time schedule) and TG4 is already covering the Sunday afternoon games.

They're also covering a number of Europa League games that aren't on any other broadcaster here, given Channel Five's lack of availablity in ROI.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not uncritical of Setanta. I think for cable viewers particularly Setanta Sports 1 is way overpriced at €15 p/m. I get annoyed every time they shift a big rugby match onto the said Setanta Sports 1. But I don't think Setanta should pack up its bags just yet. If the rumoured loss of Magners' League coverage proves true though, it may need to reconsider things...


They're two different proposition. TV3 is a free to air general entertainment channel, who has proved time and time again that they are not really interested in sports. They have picked up the Champions League and Europa League, but show me the sports fan who prefers their UEFACL coverage to RTÉs. Otherwise its a handful of early-round GAA matches during the summer and the Rugby World Cup every four years and that is it for TV3 Sport. Whereas Setanta is a pay-TV sports broadcaster.

In fairness I'm more annoyed with Setanta for putting Leinster games on Setanta 1 than I am with the Dubs matches, when Dublin played Cork the match was on Setanta Ireland, when the other matches were on Setanta 1, there was a better match every time on Setanta Ireland, so no complaints from me on that front.

ynotdu

excuse what proably belongs in the Satellite forum but MSK and MSK extra have in the wee small hours being showing old GAA matchs first broadcast on Setanta before its collapse.{FTA}

Lately one of them has at times being showing a test card with Setanta PPV2 on a rolling banner

It is anyones guess what might be going on with Setanta,I am amazed it still has a presence on any platform at the price

channelsurfer2

ynotdu wrote: »

excuse what proably belongs in the Satellite forum but MSK and MSK extra have in the wee small hours being showing old GAA matchs first broadcast on Setanta before its collapse.{FTA}

Lately one of them has at times being showing a test card with Setanta PPV2 on a rolling banner

It is anyones guess what might be going on with Setanta,I am amazed it still has a presence on any platform at the price

just a guess but they are probably gearing up for ppv in the uk pubs of the gaa championship when it starts. they showed it FTA on MSK last year but that was probably just an interim thing. they probably rent the space from MSK.

high heels

The GAA will be on a new channel called Priemier sports.. Ive heard its going to be Free to air.. A mate said its going to be ran by Setanta Ireland.. so Hmmmmmmmmmmm

mikeym

Why cant setanta show a 3pm kick off on a sunday?

Im a liverpool fan and setanta wont be showing the game on the 24th. This means I have to go down to the pub and watch the game on some albanian channel because no other english channel is showing it. I dont have sky sports but Im seriously considering to switch next august.

celticfc

mikeym wrote: »

Why cant setanta show a 3pm kick off on a sunday?

Im a liverpool fan and setanta wont be showing the game on the 24th. This means I have to go down to the pub and watch the game on some albanian channel because no other english channel is showing it. I dont have sky sports but Im seriously considering to switch next august.

This is because they only bought the rights package purely to a set number of saturday 3pm fixtures to be shown in ROI only which are forbidden to screen in the UK.

ESPN & Sky have forked out many millions more than that to have exclusive UK & ROI rights to sunday (and other) games even if they don't chose to show particular matches.

icdg

mikeym wrote: »

Why cant setanta show a 3pm kick off on a sunday?

Im a liverpool fan and setanta wont be showing the game on the 24th. This means I have to go down to the pub and watch the game on some albanian channel because no other english channel is showing it. I dont have sky sports but Im seriously considering to switch next august.

As explained above, the Premier League broadcast rights are divided into a set number of packages. To my recollection these are Saturday early kick off (Sky Sports), Saturday 5:30pm (ESPN), Sunday 1:30pm (Sky Sports), Sunday 4pm (Sky Sports), Monday 8pm (ESPN) and there are some midweek games (Sky Sports). The 3pm Saturday package is an extra package for the Republic of Ireland. The other packages are **in theory** sold seperately for the UK and Ireland but in practice the Irish rights for any particular package have never been sold to anyone other than the broadcaster holding the equvilant UK pacakge.

The FA will not allow any 3pm Saturday game in England to be screened in the UK for fear of hitting attendance at lower league clubs.

Each broadcaster can only screen the package(s) they have rights to. There is no package covering 3pm Sunday games so no-one gets to screen these at all (except highlghts on MOTD2/Premier Soccer). To be fair these games seem to be a relatively new occurance and there used to be just the one or two games on Sunday.

channelsurfer2

http://www.marketing.ie/index.jsp?p=93&n=383&a=561

"Apart from entertainment, drama, news and current affairs and cultural content, RTE broadcasts a huge amount of sport and advertising and sponsorship responds. With even more sports coverage planned, including Magners League rugby, O'Leary feels there is no way that RTE One on its own could possibly fulfil the public service remit...."

update on setanta loosing magners league next year...Is this the first official mention from someone in rte that they have the rights next year???

ynotdu

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

just a guess but they are probably gearing up for ppv in the uk pubs of the gaa championship when it starts. they showed it FTA on MSK last year but that was probably just an interim thing. they probably rent the space from MSK.

Hi channelsurfer2,I am sure You are right that Setanta are planning a return to Pub broadcasts in the UK.
Not to be smart but it was information TV they used when their transponders were closed by Sky
after all Pub broadcasting of Irish Soccer&GAA match's was were Setanta began:)

MSK or extra shows nothing other than old Setanta broadcasts{most of the time they are blank screens}

So MSK is not a 'channel' as such, just a name on the Sky EPG which may be a way for Setanta to bypass unpaid debts by re-inventing itself as a diffrient Limited Liability Company in the UK.

ynotdu

high heels wrote: »

The GAA will be on a new channel called Priemier sports.. Ive heard its going to be Free to air.. A mate said its going to be ran by Setanta Ireland.. so Hmmmmmmmmmmm

sorry for two posts,but i never did learn multiquote:)

MSK extra are now showing an old GAA match:), and sure enough the onscreen Logo is PREMIERSPORTS!
Completly FTA at least during these tests and place-holding on the epg.

high heels

ya its going to be free to air.. there showing loads of crap stuff that they have rights too.. I think they are also going to show australian rugby and gaa live but thats it..

Minstrel27

high heels wrote: »

ya its going to be free to air.. there showing loads of crap stuff that they have rights too.. I think they are also going to show australian rugby and gaa live but thats it..

It will be FTA for only a few months according to some press release I read yesterday.

ftakeith

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

http://www.marketing.ie/index.jsp?p=93&n=383&a=561

"Apart from entertainment, drama, news and current affairs and cultural content, RTE broadcasts a huge amount of sport and advertising and sponsorship responds. With even more sports coverage planned, including Magners League rugby, O'Leary feels there is no way that RTE One on its own could possibly fulfil the public service remit...."

update on setanta loosing magners league next year...Is this the first official mention from someone in rte that they have the rights next year???

I watched leinster v ospreys fta live last night on bbc2 wales, I would had to pay €16.99 to watch this games on setanta sports1 what a rip off
they are showing fullham v wolves today another awful game

Munster v ospreys is fta live on s4c next saturday at 630pm

which irish radio stations shows munster and leinster's magners league games live, if s4c shows the remaining games live this season

Minstrel27

ftakeith wrote: »

they are showing fullham v wolves today another awful game

You have the power to see into the future do you?

You don't like to pay for televison. We get it.

ynotdu

I still see no mention of MSK in the Satellite forums,but it became fulltime friday{at the moment both MSK&extra are both showing the same thing(an old GAA match)so they have two diffrient frequencies available to them.
from what i can gather premiersports and its connection to Setanta began in Austrailia.
I wonder may these new channels change Setanta Ireland&1? or is it purely meant for UK?

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return to UK homes
Premier Sports to commence broadcasting this weekend By Angela Sammon - 15/04/10



Gaelic Games are to return to television screens in UK homes across the country today(Friday).

Channel 433 – Premier Sports – will start broadcasting at 10am on Sky channel 433. It will see offer a comprehensive programme to sports fans and a return of Gaelic Games to an avid audience across Britain.


Fans can look forward to live coverage of Sunday's National Hurling League clash between Dublin and Limerick; as well as classic games from the archives.

The channel is the brain-child of a consortium of Irish business people.


Its first broadcast will feature live National Rugby League coverage from Australia.

Source: The Irish world

An Tarbh

ftakeith wrote: »

I watched leinster v ospreys fta live last night on bbc2 wales, I would had to pay €16.99 to watch this games on setanta sports1 what a rip off
they are showing fullham v wolves today another awful game

Munster v ospreys is fta live on s4c next saturday at 630pm

which irish radio stations shows munster and leinster's magners league games live, if s4c shows the remaining games live this season

Newstalk used to do the Leinster games but when they went national they stopped, Live 95 might still do the Munster games. RTÉ usually do the interpros.

You say free to air, but it's only free to air for those with Sky, so in a way it's not free, or some other satellite service. NTL don't have S4C or BBCw, so Setanta is the only option.

It's all well and good having sport on terrestrial channels but for the Magners League this won't be a good thing unless you're a Munster fan, can't see the other provinces getting a look in on RTÉ. Hopefully TG4 will make up for the shortfall. Either way I don't think we'll be seeing nigh on every game from the Magners next year, on Irish TV that is.

As for Fulham Wolves, there wasn't exactly a plethora of standout games for the 3pm slot. Still better than nothing.

Minstrel27

An Tarbh wrote: »

It's all well and good having sport on terrestrial channels but for the Magners League this won't be a good thing unless you're a Munster fan, can't see the other provinces getting a look in on RTÉ.

Why wouldn't RTÉ show Leinster?

celticfc

An Tarbh wrote: »

You say free to air, but it's only free to air for those with Sky, so in a way it's not free, or some other satellite service. NTL don't have S4C or BBCw, so Setanta is the only option.

It is free, no two ways about it. You don't have to have anything to do with $ky or any other satellite provider. Buy a free-to-air satellite kit for about 50 Euro and enjoy all the FTA channels/streams you want.

Nothing is free on UPC/NTL/Chorus/Setanta.

An Tarbh wrote: »

It's all well and good having sport on terrestrial channels but for the Magners League this won't be a good thing unless you're a Munster fan, can't see the other provinces getting a look in on RTÉ.

Why on earth would they not have the same interest (if not much more) in Leinster. Does Heineken Cup champions mean nothing? They're also running away with this years Magners League.

An Tarbh

You only have to compare the coverage of Leinster and Munster on RTÉ to see that there's more time given to Munster. I see no reason why that won't continue next year.

celticfc

An Tarbh wrote: »

You only have to compare the coverage of Leinster and Munster on RTÉ to see that there's more time given to Munster. I see no reason why that won't continue next year.

What coverage..? Radio..?

They can only show what they can gain the rights to. Perhaps during Munsters domination years when RTE had much of the club rugby TV rights they may have favoured Munster coverage, but that is surely not the case now.

An Tarbh

an extra 15 minutes of highlights for the Munster match last weekend. Talking about the Munster match at the top of the programme on Monday, giving more time to that than the Leinster match which was by far the biggest match of the weekend. They didn't even put their main commentator on the Leinster match, it doesn't take that long to get to Limerick from Dublin, Sky's commentators were able to do that. It's little things but I can see this being amplified if they have more live coverage.

It seems like RTÉ will have 2 games with TG4 presumably showing 1 on Fridays. My guess would be that RTÉ would show 3 games for Munster, 1 for Connacht and 2 each for Leinster and Ulster each month.

It's inevitable I know, it happens in England with Sky showing Leicester far more than any other side.

celticfc

An Tarbh wrote: »

an extra 15 minutes of highlights for the Munster match last weekend. Talking about the Munster match at the top of the programme on Monday, giving more time to that than the Leinster match which was by far the biggest match of the weekend. They didn't even put their main commentator on the Leinster match, it doesn't take that long to get to Limerick from Dublin, Sky's commentators were able to do that. It's little things but I can see this being amplified if they have more live coverage.

It seems like RTÉ will have 2 games with TG4 presumably showing 1 on Fridays. My guess would be that RTÉ would show 3 games for Munster, 1 for Connacht and 2 each for Leinster and Ulster each month.

I certainly hope that it's not the case. George Hook doesn't run RTE...

....DOES HE..??

Time will tell I suppose.

icdg

celticfc wrote: »

It is free, no two ways about it. You don't have to have anything to do with $ky or any other satellite provider. Buy a free-to-air satellite kit for about 50 Euro and enjoy all the FTA channels/streams you want.

Not usually an option if you live in an apartment and may not be possible if you rent, depending on what your lease says. These viewers are stuck with cable for pay-TV (in the continuing absence of DTT, which is unlikely to have the Welsh channels on it either).

Why has Celtic Rugby yet to offically announce the coverage arrangements for next season? This story appeared in the Sunday Business Post way back in October!

I wouldn't agree that RTÉ favour Munster all that much over Leinster in terms of their highlights coverage of ERC games. After all Leinster are five minutes down the road from them! I'd agree that both provinces get a huge coverage margin over Ulster and that coverage of Connacht's Amlin Challenge Cup games is virtually non-existant. It will be interesting to see if they put on a programme if Connacht make the final of the Amlin Challenge Cup (a big ask of Connacht) or if they take 30 seconds worth of highlights on to the end of their Heineken Cup final coverage (which will probably be on very late at night given the UEFA Champions League final is on the same day, which RTÉ will have live.)