17 year old stabs 7 people in Drogheda! (Mod warning post #68)

Biggins

In whats the towns second stabbing problem in two weeks, a 17 year old came out of bar in Lawrence street and proceeded to stab innocent 7 people on the street.
2 are now in a critical condition. The 17 year old was arrested.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0410/drogheda.html

Question for the forum: Should body searches/pat downs by security at doors become a basic requirement for some places?

OutlawPete

Is any of them black?

If not, I doubt anyone other than their families will care tbh.

Elessar

The 17 year old with probably just get a slap on the wrist and be told he's a naughty boy.

Son Of A Vidic

They'll probably let him off and blame his fathers drink problem for HIS actions.

bazmaiden

medicman2009 wrote: »

They'll probably let him off and blame his fathers drink problem for HIS actions.

exactly sure he's a victim of society :rolleyes:

major bill

pub should be heavyly fined for serving him drink in the first place and yea i think body searchers should be introduced they have them in certain places in dublin and galway so why not elsewhere.

PogMoThoin

Quick, Introduce some new laws to tackle this new scourge alcohol, its driving our youth mad.

Oh wait......

hooradiation

Elessar wrote: »

The 17 year old with probably just get a slap on the wrist and be told he's a naughty boy.

medicman2009 wrote: »

They'll probably let him off and blame his fathers drink problem for HIS actions.

Well done, you've successfully managed to post the two dumbest, dullest clichés in quick succession.

Good to see the bar is still at it's traditional low.

MightyMighty737

major bill wrote: »

pub should be heavyly fined for serving him drink in the first place and yea i think body searchers should be introduced they have them in certain places in dublin and galway so why not elsewhere.

Fairly sure he wasn't in the pub the original group of lads that got attacked were in. Whether he just came out of another pub or just a scumbag wandering along, I dunno.

Best wishes to all the guys in hospital.

enviro

Possession of a knive should be a serious offence, one with a serious consequence. Like Prison.

DingChavez

major bill wrote: »

pub should be heavyly fined for serving him drink in the first place and yea i think body searchers should be introduced they have them in certain places in dublin and galway so why not elsewhere.

Because that type of security is a load of bollocks?

Something bad might happen when you go outside. Deal with it.

whadabouchasir

Biggins wrote: »

a 17 year old came out of bar in Lawrence street and proceeded to stab innocent 7 people on the street.

How did he even get into the pub?Are there no Bouncers in Drogheda or are the licensing laws different there to the rest of the country?

Biggins

whadabouchasir wrote: »

How did he even get into the pub?Are there no Bouncers in Drogheda or are the licensing laws different there to the rest of the country?

Yes, Drogheda is the only town in the country that allows in 17 year olds.

(Does anyone think the above is really true!)

Dr_Phil

Elessar wrote: »

The 17 year old with probably just get a slap on the wrist and be told he's a naughty boy.

Should be executed IMO. Wouldn't mind pulling the trigger.

major bill

DingChavez wrote: »

Because that type of security is a load of bollocks?

Something bad might happen when you go outside. Deal with it.

what you on about??

if they get searched going in at least if they are carrying they have nothing inside yea ok thats not to stop slashing someone with a bottle but if they get found with a knife they get told to fcuk off and have nothing on them.

deal with it?? why should ppl have to deal with it they go out to enjoy themselves they shouldnt have to deal with some little chav that cant handle his p1ss stick a blade into them.

Hank_Jones

I know this is a bit of a selfish thing to say,
but I hope I don't know any of them.

Hope everything turns out ok for them.

Knives are becoming far too common place now.
Think we might be developing the same sort of knife culture they have in England.

What a wanker.

My name is URL

Drogheda has become a shithole for nights out.. haven't been out there in a year

Best of look to those who were injured

cafecolour

7? Really? It seems like it was a big group he attacked, so you'd think he could've been stopped by the time he'd stabbed 2 or 3 people.

dlofnep

Little prick.

major bill

cafecolour wrote: »

7? Really? It seems like it was a big group he attacked, so you'd think he could've been stopped by the time he'd stabbed 2 or 3 people.

they were probably a harmless group of lads thats why he prob attacked them.

Bigdeadlydave

Sure just a week or so ago a woman was stabbed in the face in Drogheda. Now Im really glad I didnt go out last night! Maybe its just me but whenever I go out in Drogheda there is always a really angry vibe, but I guess the same can be said for every town these days.


Scum like him should be named and shamed, even though he is 17.

potsy86

thats madness and he will prob get a slap on the wrist been under 18 prob suspended sentence small fine an of ya go had some bad experiences up there in drogheda on nights out will never go near the place again didn feel safe at all round them parts

LavaLamp

major bill wrote: »

what you on about??

if they get searched going in at least if they are carrying they have nothing inside yea ok thats not to stop slashing someone with a bottle but if they get found with a knife they get told to fcuk off and have nothing on them.

So then you end up with a bunch of morons that have the raging arse cos they have been told to fcuk off, wandering the streets, with a knife, looking for someone to take it out on.....

major bill

LavaLamp wrote: »

So then you end up with a bunch of morons that have the raging arse cos they have been told to fcuk off, wandering the streets, with a knife, looking for someone to take it out on.....

you honestly think a bouncer is gonna give the knife back to him:rolleyes:

aDeener

hooradiation wrote: »

Well done, you've successfully managed to post the two dumbest, dullest clichés in quick succession.

Good to see the bar is still at it's traditional low.

just because something is a cliché does not make it untrue.

Hagar

Biggins wrote: »

Question for the forum: Should body searches/pat downs by security at doors become a basic requirement for some places?

Why? He was't inside a premises he was on the street. He could have done the same had he never gone into the bar and been patted down.

Why was a 17yo allowed into a bar anyway. Was he served drink?


Do we really want to give the knuckle draggers* on the doors more power than they already have?




*Not all but many are.

Bigdeadlydave

In fairness I dont want some bloke feeling me up whenever I go into a bar/club whatever. That would just lead to fights, could you imagine? A loada half sloshed people trying to get in to a club, having to get patted down first? It wouldn't work.

Dr_Phil

potsy86 wrote: »

thats madness and he will prob get a slap on the wrist been under 18 prob suspended sentence small fine an of ya go

It will be getting worse and worse, as long as the ordinary people will allow this to happen. I've lost my faith in governments of any kind, from what I see they strive to make Europe full of chaos and lawlessness. "Good" doesn't mean good anymore, "bad" isn't bad nowadays. We have to, we should, we are expected. We have to be enlightened and modern EU citizens in XXI century. We should be showing understanding, be against death penalty and help poor children in Africa.

Im sick of this sh1t.

LavaLamp

major bill wrote: »

you honestly think a bouncer is gonna give the knife back to him:rolleyes:

D'OH! good point

I'm going back to bed, obviously haven't engaged brain properly today.

(although I woudn't put it past the mindset of some of these types to go and get another one to prove a point)

Hank_Jones

Just heard on the radio that the group involved were aged between 16 and 30.

One 16 year old has been transferred to the Mater in Dublin and is in critical condition.

Scumbag.

Chorcai

My reasons to move back to Cork are mounting up ! I hope I don't know any of them. Drogheda is getting worse by the day.

OutlawPete

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

In fairness I dont want some bloke feeling me up whenever I go into a bar/club whatever.

That's not what you said last night ..

Biggins

Should the licencing laws be changed so that more places over a certain number maybe have these installed and staffed?

http://www.tradeeasy.com/supplier/617826/products/p1087825/walkthrough-metal-detector.html

All it would take was one bouncer standing beside it to ensure no possible soone drunk (or not) nutters come in, get argumentative and take their vengence out on innocent people?

Just a question thrown out there.

Hair Ball

whadabouchasir wrote: »

How did he even get into the pub?Are there no Bouncers in Drogheda or are the licensing laws different there to the rest of the country?

Pu-licking ,I mean the publican's are business men and woman they only care
about making money not saving lives look at the hassle over the smoking ban
they said all pubs would close down,they should ban :(all knives from bars
drink out of plastic cups or better still make a example out of this bar and close
it down :cool:


no he was not black nor the people he stabbed ,but he dose get a good color

kittenz

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Sure just a week or so ago a woman was stabbed in the face in Drogheda.

It was almost a month ago the woman was stabbed, and she wasn't stabbed in the face!

Hope all the boys who were injured are alright.

Its getting scary now how many stabbings are taking place on the streets, not just Drogheda, but everywhere....

SlabMurphy

Biggins wrote: »

Should the licencing laws be changed so that more places over a certain number maybe have these installed and staffed?

http://www.tradeeasy.com/supplier/617826/products/p1087825/walkthrough-metal-detector.html

All it would take was one bouncer standing beside it to ensure no possible soone drunk (or not) nutters come in, get argumentative and take their vengence out on innocent people?

Just a question thrown out there.

I don't know why people are expecting the bouncers to sort this kind of thing out. The scumbag could have gone into the pub sober, had a few pints ( and maybe some other substances ) in the pub and then armed with booze induced ' courage ' went on his stabbing spree.

Hair Ball

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Just heard on the radio that the group involved were aged between 16 and 30.

One 16 year old has been transferred to the Mater in Dublin and is in critical condition.

Scumbag.

Let's hope he gets better, before we call him names

digme

OutlawPete wrote: »

Is any of them black?

If not, I doubt anyone other than their families will care tbh.

hate to say it but Ireland and immigration it's our own fault,it will be like the uk soon.

Biggins

SlabMurphy wrote: »

...The scumbag could have gone into the pub sober, had a few pints ( and maybe some other substances ) in the pub and then armed with booze induced ' courage ' went on his stabbing spree.

Good chance thats what exactly happened. At least when he came out, he would have been knife-less.

If your going to operate a place that supplies substances that can alter peoples personalities and/or acts as a catalyst to increase one side of a personality, the question arises within the legal confines of "legal duty of care" alone, should more be done now more to?

After all we have the technology to help improve things! Why not use it?

MightyMighty737

digme wrote: »

hate to say it but Ireland and immigration it's our own fault,it will be like the uk soon.

What does immigration have to do with this?

Bigdeadlydave

OutlawPete wrote: »

That's not what you said last night ..

I made an exception for you pete!

Exon

This youth should serve life without.

I'd love to see him try to stab me, he'd get a hollow point slug right between the eyes.

TouchingVirus

digme wrote: »

hate to say it but Ireland and immigration it's our own fault,it will be like the uk soon.

If you go around spouting that then I suppose your name is quite apt, I'd say you'd get a few takers. You get a point for bringing in an unrelated topic to this thread, good man :rolleyes:

OutlawPete

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

I made an exception for you pete!

Actually, your username had me thinking twice about making that joke

SlabMurphy

Biggins wrote: »

Good chance thats what exactly happened. At least when he came out, he would have been knife-less.

If your going to operate a place that supplies substances that can alter peoples personalities and/or acts as a catalyst to increase one side of a personality, the question arises within the legal confines of "legal duty of care" alone, should more be done now more to?

After all we have the technology to help improve things! Why not use it?

Look, how many people go into a pub for a drink, leave and don't go on a stabbing spree ? Literally millions in Ireland alone in a single week. Now as unfortunate as this incicdent was in Drogheda last night, their's no point trying to make out that they should have airport type metal detectors and body searches by the bouncers on every pub in the country.

Hair Ball

Exon wrote: »

This youth should serve life without.

I'd love to see him try to stab me, he'd get a hollow point slug right between the eyes.

O no nutter's with knives is one thing, but fruit cakes with guns, it won't be worth going for a pint any more, bit like Limerick :rolleyes:

Biggins

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Look, how many people go into a pub for a drink, leave and don't go on a stabbing spree ? Literally millions in Ireland alone in a single week. Now as unfortunate as this incicdent was in Drogheda last night, their's no point trying to make out that they should have airport type metal detectors and body searches by the bouncers on every pub in the country.

I'm not to be honest but the hand-held equipment also is there to find these weapons too.
Every place having a door frame detection system is unworkable and costly.
Being able to halt someone for a second (who they might think looks suspicious) though for a second or two while they are sweeped, might lessen later problems though, its just a thought.

In the cases where certain pubs (through the courts maybe) have been shown to be regular trouble spots for example, maybe the courts can ask for these devices to be used?
Just an idea thrown out there.

wobzilla1

My sister was meant to go to Drogheda last night but decided not to at the last minute. Your man had an arguement on Lawrence street but actually ran down onto West street to stab random people. A few of my sister's friends were in the group that he attacked

Bigdeadlydave

The chances are the bouncers/gardai know the people who are likely to cause trouble.

DingChavez

major bill wrote: »

what you on about??

if they get searched going in at least if they are carrying they have nothing inside yea ok thats not to stop slashing someone with a bottle but if they get found with a knife they get told to fcuk off and have nothing on them.

deal with it?? why should ppl have to deal with it they go out to enjoy themselves they shouldnt have to deal with some little chav that cant handle his p1ss stick a blade into them.

I'm saying bad things happen. Draconian security that targets everyone isn't the right way to stop this stuff. It will just piss people off. Just give bouncers a bit more training. Don't take it out on the general population.

I think security should be based on intelligence not zero tolerance rules and screenings that target everyone and their granny.