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TUI rejects public-sector pay deal

  • 06-04-2010 04:23PM
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I'm actually not surprised. I'd be very interested to see how things pan out now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Mr McMenamin compared the €22 billion needed committed to bail out Anglo Irish Bank to the €8 billion currently budgeted for education and asked if there as “something rotten in the state of Ireland”.

    quick someone point him out the 20 odd billion per year going to public service and similar amount going to welfare

    anyways, so what will happen if some unions reject the deal and some approve of it? what then

    ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    At least there was one point on which we can all agree...

    "Ictu was strongly criticised by TUI president Don Ryan, who described union leadership as “arrogant” and “out of touch”."


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,555 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Welease wrote: »
    At least there was one point on which we can all agree...

    "Ictu was strongly criticised by TUI president Don Ryan, who described union leadership as “arrogant” and “out of touch”."
    Which begs to question what would be an appropiate description of president Don Ryan...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    I understand their anger, but for god's sake what do they actually think they can achieve through this. The Gov has guaranteed them no more paycuts, the recession is now over for those with permanent contracts if they had accepted this deal. I'm at a loss as to how they think this will improve their lot.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,555 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


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    But will you not think of the children and our knowledge economy?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,555 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


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    Well seeing the unions list of demands...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    They've only recommended rejection, they haven't done the ballot yet.


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    What I also can't get over is the sheer unprofessional way a number of them reacted according to that report:
    The Minister's speech was punctuated by frequent and loud heckling and booing from the floor.

    These are the same people who are looked to instill values in young people (or at least that's what they've claimed before)? It demeans the TUI surely to act like this.

    What do others make of saying their cut is 20%, including in that an unpaid pay increase? It seems a bit like massaging the figures. You can hardly count as a cut something you didn't actually have (even if you thought you might).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Teachers get paid more because they do more ie they have more kids in each class than those other countries in the above graph.



    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0909/1224254134422.html

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2007/0918/ireland/mhcwidmhidmh/

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/news-in-brief-240307.html

    But...let the teacher bashing begin!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    ixoy wrote: »
    What I also can't get over is the sheer unprofessional way a number of them reacted according to that report:


    These are the same people who are looked to instill values in young people (or at least that's what they've claimed before)? It demeans the TUI surely to act like this.

    What do others make of saying their cut is 20%, including in that an unpaid pay increase? It seems a bit like massaging the figures. You can hardly count as a cut something you didn't actually have (even if you thought you might).

    The minister wasn't speaking at the TUI conference. She'll get heckled there tomorrow. She was actually speaking to a group of people who accepted the recent pay deal. What'll it not be like tomorrow when she speaks to the TUI.

    I realise lots of allegations will be made against teachers because of their actions but maybe we should wait til they commit them first before condeming them for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    They are pissing in the wind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Mister men wrote: »
    They are pissing in the wind.

    more like pissing against the wind :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭rightwingdub


    Hopefully more pay cuts to come for public sector workers especially the teachers, the delegates who voted to reject the croke park deal are incredibly stupid, even there pupils can do the sums and can see that the country is bankrupt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    I am sure the TUI are going to find out what its like to have their wages cut to the bone and beyond now ;)


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    doc_17 wrote: »
    The minister wasn't speaking at the TUI conference. She'll get heckled there tomorrow. She was actually speaking to a group of people who accepted the recent pay deal. What'll it not be like tomorrow when she speaks to the TUI.
    That's even worse then surely? I can understand their frustration but surely it can be dealt with in a more professional manner rather than a class of 8 year olds at a Christmas panto.
    I realise lots of allegations will be made against teachers because of their actions but maybe we should wait til they commit them first before condeming them for it.
    I doubt there's much more to hear from them when their starting position seems shakey. They may have larger classes but, as pointed out above, the UK's are larger and the Irish teachers are still paid more (even factoring in the higher-cost of living here - something that isn't factored into my wage!).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    ixoy wrote: »
    That's even worse then surely? I can understand their frustration but surely it can be dealt with in a more professional manner rather than a class of 8 year olds at a Christmas panto.

    It was the INTO conference and they only rejected the proposal to oppose the reform by 308 votes to 304 or something so it's not like the crowd was overwhelmingly pro the deal or anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    doc_17 wrote: »
    Teachers get paid more because they do more ie they have more kids in each class than those other countries in the above graph.



    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0909/1224254134422.html

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2007/0918/ireland/mhcwidmhidmh/

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/news-in-brief-240307.html

    But...let the teacher bashing begin!!!!

    But could it not be said that the classes are bigger because more teachers can't be hired because the wages are too high?


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    doc_17 wrote: »
    Teachers get paid more because they do more ie they have more kids in each class than those other countries in the above graph.
    Well you also need to factor in hours worked per week, number of weeks worked per year (seem to recall the school year is quite short in Ireland) as well as other benefits to get a true picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Absolutely. But other countries who might have their teachers contracted for more hours are not necessarily teaching more. They just have their admin duties reflected in their contracts which doesn't happen here. On average teachers here spend more time actually teaching their students.

    And whoever it was up there who mentioned the UK would need to do some research into the state of teaching and education in general over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    ...and also to factor in that the rest of the OECD aren't flat broke like Ireland. Nobody outside the PIIGS countries are in such a bad way as us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,456 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Did they mention that they pocket 77% of the entire education budget? Or the fact that the PS budget is 20 billion PER YEAR! Ofcourse the Anglo situation is a disgrace, but 2 wrongs dont make a right! Anglo is not getting this money for nothing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Did they mention that they pocket 77% of the entire education budget? Or the fact that the PS budget is 20 billion PER YEAR! Ofcourse the Anglo situation is a disgrace, but 2 wrongs dont make a right! Anglo is not getting this money for nothing!

    Yeah that percentage is big but reflects the under investment in other areas - technology, buliding etc

    No Anglo is not getting this money for nothing. It's getting it because they wrecked the country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    doc_17 wrote: »
    Yeah that percentage is big but reflects the under investment in other areas - technology, buliding etc

    What rubbish talk that is. There is underinvestment in other areas because of the spend on wages. And if you are not willing to compare your wages to other countries well then you have no right to compare budget spend either.

    77% of the education budget is spent on the wages of greedy teachers that only care about the kids :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Typical PS twisting words (I didn't get a pay rise so thats a pay cut or inflation means I'll be taking a paycut)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,456 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I honestly dont think the directors of Anglo purposefully went out to ruin things for alot of people, no one was forced to take a loan! Id blame the regulator more, he is there to stop this kind of thing from happening! I mean your hear Quinn complaining about Quinn insurance being put into administration, this is the same MORON who invested 3 Billion into Anglo shares!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Did they mention that they pocket 77% of the entire education budget? Or the fact that the PS budget is 20 billion PER YEAR! Ofcourse the Anglo situation is a disgrace, but 2 wrongs dont make a right! Anglo is not getting this money for nothing!

    sorry just to clarify are you saying 77% of the entire education budget is spent on wages?? Is this a fact??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    sorry just to clarify are you saying 77% of the entire education budget is spent on wages?? Is this a fact??
    I have seen it elsewhere. Should be easy enough to find the figures.


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