THE WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY tv3

SIX PACK

this film is well made Just reminds me why so many of us hate the English

MickShamrock

I thought it was alright. I was a little disappointed. Expected better after reading all the press.

Zhane

People honestly needs to move on. :rolleyes:

efb

Build a bridge etc

barney 20v

SIX PACK wrote: »

this film is well made Just reminds me why so many of us hate the English

I think you mean the British old pip?

Magic Eight Ball

SIX PACK wrote: »

this film is well made Just reminds me why so many of us hate the English

mike65

SIX PACK wrote: »

this film is well made Just reminds me why so many of us hate the English

Okay get out from behind that keyboard and let em have it - all 50,000,000 of them

Dreadful film, anyone who thinks that the film legitimises hatred of the English is a complete and utter twat.

fryup

imo, movies like these are not helpful....i mean we're in the middle of the peace process we don't need movies like these stirring up bad feelings again.

gunny

Youhave to know your past to forge your future. History is what makes a nation. What our forefathers endured should make us more determined to make a better future, pity our own government dont feel this way

Hagar

fryup wrote: »

imo, movies like these are not helpful

I was hoping they would show Dam-Busters or Bridge over the River Kwai. :rolleyes:

Minstrel27

fryup wrote: »

imo, movies like these are not helpful....i mean we're in the middle of the peace process we don't need movies like these stirring up bad feelings again.

You cannot ignore your history either.

Micky Dolenz

Is an alright movie, made for an American audience. Really dumbed down and simplified a complex part of our history.

doughef

SIX PACK wrote: »

this film is well made Just reminds me why so many of us hate the English

Agree 100%

MaighEoAbu

What our people did in the past to get our freedom under years of imperialism is nothing short of the truest form of patriotism. I can and never will understand people who refuse to acknowledge what our people had to go through for hundreds of years and then to get their country freedom.

Films like this are brilliant and fair dues to the creators of this one.

doughef

MaighEoAbu wrote: »

What our people did in the past to get our freedom under years of imperialism is nothing short of the truest form of patriotism. I can and never will understand people who refuse to acknowledge what our people had to go through for hundreds of years and then to get their country freedom.

Films like this are brilliant and fair dues to the creators of this one.

I think you put this really well. It think some people are almost embarrassed to have any sort of patriotic or nationalist views.
I for one will be glued to the TV tonight. I've seen this film twice before. Hard viewing but worth it.
Fitting too thats its on Easter Monday

bringitdown

Ya I can't wait to get my hands on a couple of Vikings ... they'll pay for what they did.

Elmo

mike65 wrote: »

Okay get out from behind that keyboard and let em have it - all 50,000,000 of them

There aren't 50million English some of that figure includes Welsh, Scots and even some Irish. :rolleyes:

Is an alright movie, made for an American audience. Really dumbed down and simplified a complex part of our history.

Yeah Ken Loach makes movies for American audiences. (An English Director BTW).

Ya I can't wait to get my hands on a couple of Vikings ... they'll pay for what they did.

The English were the only ones not to integrate as they realized that "they Were more Irish then the Irish themselves" if they did. It took them a number of years to figure that out. (Thank god for Ulster).

Magic Eight Ball

MaighEoAbu wrote: »

Films like this are brilliant and fair dues to the creators of this one.

This wouldn't happen to be you by any chance would it?

TonyD79

Shouldnt this be in the films forum..what next celtics latest match on tv being discussed in the Television forum :rolleyes:

Elmo

TonyD79 wrote: »

Shouldnt this be in the films forum..what next celtics latest match on tv being discussed in the Television forum :rolleyes:

The Snapper was talked about at length here on TV.

MaighEoAbu

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

This wouldn't happen to be you by any chance would it?

This wouldn't happen to be you would it?

iguana

Elmo wrote: »

There aren't 50million English some of that figure includes Welsh, Scots and even some Irish. :rolleyes:

You're wrong, England makes up nearly 85% of the UK population which is estimated to be over 62,000. The population of England is well over 50,000.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Is an alright movie, made for an American audience. Really dumbed down and simplified a complex part of our history.

Yeah, everyone knows the civil war was fought because of Julia Roberts.

JohnMearsheimer

I watched it but I won't be buying the DVD.

Hagar

iguana wrote: »

Yeah, everyone knows the civil war was fought because of Julia Roberts.

That was a different movie, she was Kitty Kiernan in Michael Collins.

MrStuffins

I find all this rubbish really sad!

"Our heroes fought for our freedon blah blah blah..... so we have to hate the English and The Queen and blah blah blah"

British people have no baring on what went on between the Irish and the British back in the day, because the people involved are all dead. Surprising as this may be, i don't feel any hatred toward any British person over what his acestors might have been involved in.

For all you know you might've liked being under British rule. Seems to work for the British! Everyone gives out about the Irish Govt. Maybe if we were still under British rule we'd be in a better position!

People need to get over it and find something else to be angry about!

"Brits Out Brits Out...... what score was the Man Utd match today Wacker?"

Elmo

MrStuffins wrote: »

"Our heroes fought for our freedon blah blah blah..... so we have to hate the English and The Queen and blah blah blah"

British people have no baring on what went on between the Irish and the British back in the day, because the people involved are all dead. Surprising as this may be, i don't feel any hatred toward any British person over what his acestors might have been involved in.

For all you know you might've liked being under British rule. Seems to work for the British! Everyone gives out about the Irish Govt. Maybe if we were still under British rule we'd be in a better position!

We should be proud of our patriots that fought the war of Independence. The word "hate" is always miss used. We don't go on enough about these men who fought for us and for our freedom. Who during the 1800s asked for universal suffrage and who were denied by The House of Lords Home Rule on several occasions.

The British didn't rule countries well thats why so many asked for great powers for themselves. I would rather see the people that live in a country running its affairs than absentee landlords.

The British are far more proud of their nation in particular the English who are only to willing to point to the winning of 2 world wars (I wonder if they weren't just as responsible for WW1). The forget that they "Tried to take over the world" just like so many other European nations. I am not saying that they should not be proud.

In Ireland we can't be nationalistic. Nothing in Ireland works and everything in Britain is far better. And over the last number of years Irish Nationalism is slowly being sent down the road of European Nationalism (not good). Irish Nationalism was about inclusion and our national flag represents that inclusion. Many of the people who fought for us were Anglo-Irish protestants.

I personally am not a fan of any Monarchs, I don't see why they should be given such a role based on their dubious bloodlines.

Minstrel27

MrStuffins wrote: »

I find all this rubbish really sad!

"Our heroes fought for our freedon blah blah blah..... so we have to hate the English and The Queen and blah blah blah"

British people have no baring on what went on between the Irish and the British back in the day, because the people involved are all dead. Surprising as this may be, i don't feel any hatred toward any British person over what his acestors might have been involved in.

For all you know you might've liked being under British rule. Seems to work for the British! Everyone gives out about the Irish Govt. Maybe if we were still under British rule we'd be in a better position!

People need to get over it and find something else to be angry about!

"Brits Out Brits Out...... what score was the Man Utd match today Wacker?"

What I find really sad is the opinion that all republicans hate everything British. I find that to be narrowminded idiocy.

MaighEoAbu

MrStuffins wrote: »

I find all this rubbish really sad!

"Our heroes fought for our freedon blah blah blah..... so we have to hate the English and The Queen and blah blah blah"

British people have no baring on what went on between the Irish and the British back in the day, because the people involved are all dead. Surprising as this may be, i don't feel any hatred toward any British person over what his acestors might have been involved in.

For all you know you might've liked being under British rule. Seems to work for the British! Everyone gives out about the Irish Govt. Maybe if we were still under British rule we'd be in a better position!

People need to get over it and find something else to be angry about!

"Brits Out Brits Out...... what score was the Man Utd match today Wacker?"

The only people who have been mentioning anything about the hatred of the British are the people like you on the thread who refuse to acknowledge how Ireland gained freedom and instead resort to pathetic tactics like that ( which btw show that you have absolutely nothing intelligent to add to this thread as you obviously know nothing about Ireland's history ). Tbh I can't stand people who refuse to acknowledge Ireland's past and their ancestors who risked their lives for the future of their country. I love my country, I'm a patriot. Unlike you, I'm not afraid to say I love Ireland.

Hagar

Minstrel27 wrote: »

What I find really sad is the opinion that all republicans hate everything British. I find that to be narrowminded idiocy.

Where do people get off making remarks like that? That comment is blatantly untrue. I'm a Republican and I hate nobody. There are many, many more like me. Loving one country doesn't equate to hating another. Hate is an insidious evil, as are bigotry and prejudice.

SEPT 23 1989

Wasnt a patch on Micheal Collins

Minstrel27

69 wrote: »

Where do people get off making remarks like that? That comment is blatantly untrue. I'm a Republican and I hate nobody. There are many, many more like me. Loving one country doesn't equate to hating another. Hate is an insidious evil, as are bigotry and prejudice.

That's the point I was making.

Hagar

Minstrel27 wrote: »

That's the point I was making.

I managed to make that look like I was disagreeing with you... I wasn't.:o

_Kaiser_

iguana wrote: »

Yeah, everyone knows the civil war was fought because of Julia Roberts.

69 wrote: »

That was a different movie, she was Kitty Kiernan in Michael Collins.

I think he was being ironic!

Half-watched this the last time it was on and then got bored and switched off.
The past is the past.. Yes the British did some awful things here, but the Irish weren't angels either! Then there's the Americans, the Spanish, the Portugese, the Dutch, the Germans etc etc. Gonna hold a grudge against them all?

It was a different age, with different ideas and methods for resolving disputes. As a first world country we've all thankfully evolved beyond that level of statescraft.

Time to move on.. nothing to see here..

old hippy

Excellent film & one that brings home the futility of war and hatred - for both "sides". A point that was evidently lost of some of the viewers here :rolleyes:

who the fug

OK Movie but Cillian Murphy cork accent does my head, could he not have made an effort to go local

Elmo

who the fug wrote: »

OK Movie but Cillian Murphy cork accent does my head, could he not have made an effort to go local

He is a local.

MrStuffins

Elmo wrote: »

............

I personally am not a fan of any Monarchs, I don't see why they should be given such a role based on their dubious bloodlines.

None of your post is actually in reaction to what i said, so why quote me?

Minstrel27 wrote: »

What I find really sad is the opinion that all republicans hate everything British. I find that to be narrowminded idiocy.

I never said that, so why quote me? (unless you were agreeing with me?)

MaighEoAbu wrote: »

The only people who have been mentioning anything about the hatred of the British are the people like you on the thread who refuse to acknowledge how Ireland gained freedom and instead resort to pathetic tactics like that ( which btw show that you have absolutely nothing intelligent to add to this thread as you obviously know nothing about Ireland's history ). Tbh I can't stand people who refuse to acknowledge Ireland's past and their ancestors who risked their lives for the future of their country. I love my country, I'm a patriot. Unlike you, I'm not afraid to say I love Ireland.

Who said i refused to ackowledge anything?

I know a lot about Irish History, just because you've read a few books doesnt make you automatically more knowledgable than everybody else. You have no idea who i am.

Did anybody actually READ my post?




OT, i actually liked the movie. Although it DID seem like it was made for an International audience

who the fug

Elmo wrote: »

He is a local.

Is he **** local, he stands sore thumb with that bleeding accent in West Cork

MaighEoAbu

MrStuffins wrote: »

None of your post is actually in reaction to what i said, so why quote me?



I never said that, so why quote me? (unless you were agreeing with me?)



Who said i refused to ackowledge anything?

I know a lot about Irish History, just because you've read a few books doesnt make you automatically more knowledgable than everybody else. You have no idea who i am.

Did anybody actually READ my post?




OT, i actually liked the movie. Although it DID seem like it was made for an International audience

I was merely making the point that if you knew enough about Irish history and what our people had to go through so we could have the freedom we enjoy today, then you wouldn't be trying to forget all they did for this country.

MaighEoAbu

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

I think he was being ironic!

Half-watched this the last time it was on and then got bored and switched off.
The past is the past.. Yes the British did some awful things here, but the Irish weren't angels either! Then there's the Americans, the Spanish, the Portugese, the Dutch, the Germans etc etc. Gonna hold a grudge against them all?

It was a different age, with different ideas and methods for resolving disputes. As a first world country we've all thankfully evolved beyond that level of statescraft.

Time to move on.. nothing to see here..

So basically you're saying it's time to forget our history?

What do you mean the Irish weren't 'angels either'? Would you have the same opinion if we were still under British rule? People like you make me laugh!

MrStuffins

MaighEoAbu wrote: »

I was merely making the point that if you knew enough about Irish history and what our people had to go through so we could have the freedom we enjoy today, then you wouldn't be trying to forget all they did for this country.

The point i was making is that there are some people who think i should burn the Union Jack and hate every British person i meet because of history.

It's funny how you can read and comprehend Irish history books well enough to lecture people on the internet, but you can't read and comprehend their posts.

Elmo

MrStuffins wrote: »

I find all this rubbish really sad!

"Our heroes fought for our freedon blah blah blah..... so we have to hate the English and The Queen and blah blah blah"

I personally am not a fan of any Monarchs, I don't see why they should be given such a role based on their dubious bloodlines.

You took the view in your post that all Republican/Nationalist are Anti-British to which I was staying that this is not the case and it should not be the case. You took the view that things could have been better under British rule to which I take the view that isn't a reason not to have a country democratically ruled by people living in that country.

Elmo

who the fug wrote: »

Is he **** local, he stands sore thumb with that bleeding accent in West Cork

He is from Cork.

Micky Dolenz

Elmo wrote: »

He is from Cork.

But not west Cork, There is a differance, you know like.:P

MrStuffins

Elmo wrote: »

I personally am not a fan of any Monarchs, I don't see why they should be given such a role based on their dubious bloodlines.

You took the view in your post that all Republican/Nationalist are Anti-British to which I was staying that this is not the case and it should not be the case. You took the view that things could have been better under British rule to which I take the view that isn't a reason not to have a country democratically ruled by people living in that country.

Hold on, where exactly did i say this?

I think you might've jumped to a conclusion there.

Elmo

MrStuffins wrote: »

I find all this rubbish really sad!

"Our heroes fought for our freedon blah blah blah..... so we have to hate the English and The Queen and blah blah blah"

"Brits Out Brits Out...... what score was the Man Utd match today Wacker"

I just think your post was one of typical anti-Irish rants that Irish people have of themselves as though we would be better off in the UK and that we should forget about the people who fought for us.

Imagine an American saying

For all you know you might've liked being under British rule. Seems to work for the British! Everyone gives out about the Irish Govt. Maybe if we were still under British rule we'd be in a better position!

Just because people have issues with Bush or Obama.

MrStuffins

Elmo wrote: »

I just think your post was one of typical anti-Irish rants that Irish people have of themselves as though we would be better off in the UK and that we should for get about the people who fought for us.

Now YOU'RE the one generalising.

Elmo

MrStuffins wrote: »

Now YOU'RE the one generalising.

Yeah well you started it :rolleyes:

FlashD

The posts here are hillarious considering the film was directed by an Englishman, Ken Loach.

I think I yawned my way through most of it....like most films made here based round the troubles

The only decent film ever made in Ireland was 'The Snapper'

Colm Meaney = Legend

MrStuffins

Elmo wrote: »

Yeah well you started it :rolleyes:

No, you just presumed i did.

The point i was making is that there are people who say that. Who think I need to be full of hate for British people and full of hate for the British monarchy just because they've just read a book on irish History and thin k it's appropriate to do so.

I never said all Republicans/Nationalists are like this, you did.