Non-Eu Labour

johnhargrove

I recently applied for a Graduate Position with Davy Stockbrokers.
A job I really had my hopes set on.
I got through to the first round interview.
And didn't get through to the next round.

Davy's have had 2 further rounds since then,
and are now down to the last 20candidates for 10 positions.
I have recently found out that two students in my class in Trinity have
made it to the last round.
Turns out both of them are non-EU citizens, one is Chinese, the other American.

It really pisses me off that in a time of recession and thousands of well-qualified Irish young graduates are crying out for positions like these, yet Davy's a long-standing Irish company seem to be preferring non-European citizens.
Meaning few more will be confined to the dole queues, or emigration.
I think its time people made a stand.

duckysauce

irish people have and will do this in loads of different countrys since the year dot and the future , if the other people are better qualifed why should the company hire someone just because they are irish, i know it sounds crap but its true, i would love if every company just hired irish people and we did not have to emigrate but life aint like that

smellslikeshoes

Ummm maybe they were just better than you?

johnhargrove

They ain't better than me, I know the two in question in a personal level, they're in my class.

Why have other nations such as the US tightened immigration laws since the recession in regards to foreign graduates and we haven't?

Should an Irish employer, all things being equal, give an Irish person a job over a non-national, due to the tough economic climate? Help each other out

smellslikeshoes

johnhargrove wrote: »

They ain't better than me, I know the two in question in a personal level, they're in my class.

That is your opinion. Who is to say that you didn't come off arrogant/nervous/unfriendly in the eyes of the interviewer.

johnhargrove wrote: »

Should an Irish employer, all things being equal, give an Irish person a job over a non-national, due to the tough economic climate? Help each other out

You are assuming all things were equal between you and the other applicants.

You didn't get the job and are now blaming it on the employer being biased towards non Irish people, Cop on.

matrim

johnhargrove wrote: »

They ain't better than me, I know the two in question in a personal level, they're in my class.

Ignoring the rest of your post but the company obviously think they are better than you and as they are in your class are graduating with the same qualification as you

duckysauce

us have always being tight esp since 911, if you think you are better than the other two , you should contact daveys directly , if you are the right person ie better then the other two and explain why you are daveys will take you on, if they dont ask them why?

johnhargrove

Talk about mis-quoting

The two are in my class, I've an extra Masters disagree and better results.

The questions about whether an Irish employers should hire an Irish worker - is a general question it does not refer to me. Opinions?

johnhargrove

Again the issue is not me.
2,000 people applied for the job,
I just feel as they had such a wide pool of Irish candidates to select from they didn't have to select two non-EU candidates.

I just feel employers - all thing being equal should show preference towards Irish candidates in all jobs. its either that or there will be more Irish on the dole, simple.
The Irish govt. have already tightening visa restrictions since the recession began - was that a racist thing to do? Are they racist?

duckysauce

not if they cant do the job

smellslikeshoes

johnhargrove wrote: »

Again the issue is not me.
2,000 people applied for the job,
I just feel as they had such a wide pool of Irish candidates to select from they didn't have to select two non-EU candidates.

Or maybe they just selected based on who they thought could do the job best.

johnhargrove

The best?

Technically we could replace nearly all Irish workers with better foreign workers, if we allowed unrestricted access to anyone wanting to come here.

smellslikeshoes

johnhargrove wrote: »

The best?

Technically we could replace nearly all Irish workers with better foreign workers, if we allowed unrestricted access to anyone wanting to come here.

By your own posts these people were already here and obviously had gotten permission to work here. If you expect to get a job over someone else because you're Irish you're living in dreamland.

johnhargrove

so you agree that we should have unrestricted access to our labour market for anyone who wants to come in?

duckysauce

we are part of the eu so yes , we voted for it :eek:

smellslikeshoes

johnhargrove wrote: »

so you agree that we should have unrestricted access to our labour market for anyone who wants to come in?

Ah here would you cop on, I never said anything about unrestricted access to the Irish labour market. The two examples you gave were obviously already living here and had permission to work here. It's not like they randomly decided to get the boat over one day and started handing out cvs.
I'm starting to think you are nothing but a troll.

duckysauce wrote: »

we are part of the eu so yes , we voted for it :eek:

The two people getting jobs over him he used as example were American and Chinese so it's not like free movement in the EU came in to play.

southsiderosie

johnhargrove wrote: »

Again the issue is not me.
2,000 people applied for the job,
I just feel as they had such a wide pool of Irish candidates to select from they didn't have to select two non-EU candidates.

I just feel employers - all thing being equal should show preference towards Irish candidates in all jobs. its either that or there will be more Irish on the dole, simple.

I don't understand this attitude at all.

First, some of the biggest employers in Ireland are American companies (Dell, Intel, Google, Facebook). Should they only hire Americans? Incidentally, one of those companies - Google - would not exist had the US not been so open to immigrant students staying and working once they finished school. Ireland's shift towards pushing out non-EU post-graduates in the short-run is not going to help it with its long-run desire to build a knowledge economy.

To put it another way, would you be so mad if you were rejected by, say, Google rather than a domestic "Irish" company? Because given the levels of foreign investment today, nationality isn't particularly important for ownership purposes. For all you know Davy could be bought out by a German bank tomorrow. Does that mean they should hire only Germans?

Finally, as a non-EU citizen living in Ireland, let me just say it is EXTREMELY difficult to get a work permit. You have to be really good at what you do for the employers to go through the hassle of trying to get you a visa. So despite your disparaging remarks about your colleagues, obviously they have something good going on for Davy to deal with the hassle of hiring them.

smellslikeshoes

Also have to wonder why you felt the need to start this thread after having the exact same one closed last week.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055864645

southsiderosie

johnhargrove wrote: »

They ain't better than me, I know the two in question in a personal level, they're in my class.

Why have other nations such as the US tightened immigration laws since the recession in regards to foreign graduates and we haven't?

Should an Irish employer, all things being equal, give an Irish person a job over a non-national, due to the tough economic climate? Help each other out

The only industry where that is the case is financial services - companies that received federal bailout funds have to demonstrate that there are no suitable Americans to fill those jobs. IT would collapse if the US imposed major restrictions on foreign hiring.

It is actually more difficult for non-EU residents in Ireland than it is for Irish graduates from American universities in the US; your first visa in Ireland is only good for 6-12 months, whereas a H1B is good for 3 years. And as I said in my previous post, as a foreigner (in either situation), you have to be damn good for an employer to take you on, because the paperwork is a nightmare.

That's just my other two cents before this thread gets shut down as well.

Gillo

Sounds like sour grapes to me OP, at the end off the day you said 2000 people applied for the job, so while you're on here moaning, I guessing the majority of that 2000 who didn't get the job are lashing out more CV's maybe take a leaf out of their book and get on with it.

dudara

@johnhargrove

Your previous thread on this topic was closed and yet you went ahead and created a new one.

This thread is closed and if you start another topic along these lines again, you will be banned

dudara