[US/IRL] 6x10 - "The Package" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Sad Professor

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "THE PACKAGE" -

Episode Title: "The Package"
Airdate: March 30th 2010

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Sun and Jin desperately continue their search for one another, and Locke confronts his enemy.

Next New Episode: 6x11 - April 6th 2010

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me-skywalker

7

OH DEAR!!!! IMMENSE!!! My skin crawled with that..........

Axwell

6

Another decent episode. So as predicted Desmond is the package, will be interesting to see now what way hes tied into all this.
Was good to see Mikhail in the flash sideways, another character brought back into the show and how he got shot in the eye, while on the island he had a patch over his eye.
Widmore is there to learn about the electromagnetic pockets on the island but obviously is aware of what will happen if MiB gets off the island.
Looking forward to the next few episodes as a lot is going to happen in the next 2 or 3 based on the way things are playing out in this episode.

Hyzepher

8

I must say, that was one of teh best episodes ever. Not so much for the action etc but for the way it brought everything together and helped to join up what has been a very disjoined season. A lot of good scenes and for once the Sun/Jin story actually held my interest.

Duggy747

Yea, decent episode. I thought Desmond would be the package alright.

Interesting how Mikhail got the ol' eye patch. I'd so bang Sun, too! :pac:

Gitb1

2

Didnt enjoy that episode in the slightest gave it a 3. Good to see Desmond is back but its hardly a surprise really

hightower1

1

Very boring episode, nothing much happened at all, felt more like filler for space so the last few episodes can be jam packed with goodness leaving a good note when people speak of it after it all wraps up. :rolleyes:

Jin and Sun are ok but not nearly interesting enough in the context of everything around them to hold an entire episode..... mystery smoke monster, time travel, sci fi electromagnetic powers........I miss my wife.....???? wtf. Who cares.

Tragamin2k2

5

6/10
gonna watch it again 2moro but i think ill still think the same. not much happened that we couldnt have guessed. desmond was on the sub? no way :rolleyes: hopefully next weeks will have a degree of epicness to it :cool:

speedboatchase

Another filler. If you look at the ratings for upcoming episodes in the spoilers thread <SNIP>.
Such a disappointing season in contrast to what's came before, a crawl to the finish line

tok9

6

Well we all saw that reveal coming i suppose but still I liked the episode.

When Sun wasn't able to speak English my first reaction was that she tapped into her alternate when she was knocked out. Its very unlikely but i don't see why the writers would put it in.

How does Widmore know about smokey? He seems to have a lot of information Ben didn't have and he thinks he knows how to stop it too with Des.

gustavo

7

As Sun/Jin eps go that was pretty good IMO

Annoying that people refer to episodes where there isn't some major revelation as filler when all the pieces are falling into place for the finale

homerun_homer

7

Good episode. I liked hearing Locke discussing his game plan and how he needs certain in order to get the rest to join him. He clearly can't just get each of the candidates killed seperately in order to leave the island so not killing them is what is interesting. I'm looking forward to the whys and whatnots involved in this.
Glad Dharma and the energy pockets were referenced again, and the Clockwork Orange brainwashing room.
Sun looked gorgeous in this episode. Hope Yunjin Kim doesn't disappear once Lost is done and dusted.

Desmond was the obvious 'package' theory but he needed to be back in the show so even though it was presumed to be him, I'm still not disappointed. It's no different than when everyone started to believe Richard was from the Black Rock and then had it confirmed. It's not so much that Lost is getting predictable but that all the necessary elements are falling in to place.

It was creepy at the end the way Sayid was revealed in the water to Des and he just calmly watched him.

Tristram

5

I seriously wish the side-flashes would just **** off. I don't give a ****.

Tristram

5

Duggy747 wrote: »

I'd so bang Sun, too! :pac:

Hell yeah.

Hyzepher

8

tok9 wrote: »

When Sun wasn't able to speak English my first reaction was that she tapped into her alternate when she was knocked out. Its very unlikely but i don't see why the writers would put it in.

I think we'll find that MiB touched her and removed her ability to speak English in an effort for her to find it difficult to communicate with the others on the beach.

Looks like everyone is heading for Hydra island.

It's interesting that MiB cannot travel as smokey to the hydra island which does bring back my theory about him being "chained" to the main island in some way. This could mean that if he does succeed in leaving that he won't be able to transform into smokey in the real world. That brings in the theory that it's not MiB that is the evil contained on the island only that he is needed on it to contain whatever or whoever it really is.

I am also interested to understand why Jacob thought he needed a replacement anyway. He has been taking candidates to the island for a long, long time. Maybe longer than the death threat from MiB. And why does he think that even if he does get a successful candidate they will be safe from MiB and not suffer the same fate as he did.

Looks like Desmond will be the link from the current timeline over to the flash-sideways timeline. He is the only one who has the ability to interact with time and I suspect that someone or something from the other timeline will be needed.

Sad Professor

5

Very disappointing, especially after last week. I'm tired right now though, so I'll give it another watch before passing final judgement.

speedboatchase

In general it seems the defenders of bad episodes seem to say "oh I bet they have some CRAZY stuff lined up next week/in a few weeks/for the finale" - there's still LOADS of stuff to be answered that is ignored every week and an incredible amount of time is being wasted on these flash sideways. Again, the only argument for the flash-sideways is the same argument above - "wait until the finale and I'm sure it'll make sense!". Blind optimism really and based on what we've seen, there's every chance the finale could be a letdown too, especially if <SNIP>

Sad Professor

5

speedboatchase, please don't post spoilers in here. Even behind tags, they don't belong here. Especially ones that big.

dudeitshurley

Not quite sure why people will be disappointed with this one but i imagine they will be. As an aside, seeing as Ab Aeterno is being mentioned in the same breath as The Constant, it's worth remembering that the reaction to the next episode "The Other Woman" was pretty lukewarm after The Constant.

If you take this episode as a stand-alone, without knowing what season it came from, it very much had a season 1 feel to it. In a good way. The Flash Sideways, perhaps due to the content, had a very distinct flashback feel to it. Contrast that to Sawyer/Jack flash sideways which introduced new paths for the characters; this one saw Jin/Sun in very familiar territory.

It was probably the 1st flash sideways that was actually very interesting and in which dead characters who showed up again actually felt relevant. Keamy, Mikhail etc working for Paik for me is more relevant than Dogen showing up at a piano recital. It's in character for both.

Everybody seems so hung up on the fairly obvious reveal of Desmond being "The Package". Well hurray for that. If this 'reveal' was supposed to disappoint, then so be it, but the context in which it was revealed is very different altogether. Widmore explicitly said that 'The Package', i.e. Desmond, is the way in which they will stop MIB. Seems pretty huge to me. Not only does it re-introduce Desmond into s6 but it introduces him as possibly the most important player in what is about to unfold.

Having watched them back-to-back, i'll be in a minority i'm sure but i enjoyed this episode as much as Ab Aeterno, if not more so. Terrifically acted, like last week, good pace to it - Very little felt rushed or drawn out (unlike Ab Aeternos pacing). Whilst it was purely character-driven, we learned a tremendous amount in intricate ways:

Widmore believes Desmond is the key to stopping MIB.

Smokey can't get to the other island in that form.

Widmores knowledge on Smokey is limited and not his key reason for being there.

Sun has faith in Jack; Richard has faith in Jacob, Ilana seemingly faith in them all (bar Ben).

Sawyer clearly not turned to the dark side and is in no way committed to anything other than getting him/people he cares about off the island.


Some of that might be considered pure drivel by people, in terms of a s6 episode, but it sets the tone nicely for the remaining episodes. People complain there isn't much time left but with 7 episodes and maybe 6 ish hours of storytelling , there is plenty of time left.

Stuxnet

4

Sad Professor wrote: »

speedboatchase, please don't post spoilers in here. Even behind tags, they don't belong here. Especially ones that big.

why... he has spoiler tags on, and the thread title says spoilers within, dont read if you dont want to see :rolleyes: its not hard

dudeitshurley

BOBBY wrote: »

why... he has spoiler tags on, and the thread title says spoilers within, dont read if you dont want to see :rolleyes: its not hard

spoilers pertaining to the episode for people who havent seen it yet, not future episodes! but you are right, it's pedantics. spoiler tags are very very simple, if people can't refrain from reading them then tough luck. it's very simple, whatever thread they are in is just pedantics.

James Forde

7

BOBBY wrote: »

why... he has spoiler tags on, and the thread title says spoilers within, dont read if you dont want to see :rolleyes: its not hard

spoilers regards future episodes :rolleyes:

Mr E

7

Folks, please don't use this thread to discuss, hypothesise, postulate, theorise or potentially spoil future episodes (even in Spoiler tags)

This thread is for discussing Episode 10 - The Package ONLY!

Cheers!

beanyb

I liked this episode. I'm a bit surprised that people seem to not have, but oh well. I knew it was coming, but I'm still delighted that the package was Desmond. He's by far my favourite (and the most interesting) character, so I'm excited to see what his role is.

Sad Professor

5

BOBBY wrote: »

why... he has spoiler tags on, and the thread title says spoilers within, dont read if you dont want to see :rolleyes: its not hard

dudeitshurley wrote: »

spoilers pertaining to the episode for people who havent seen it yet, not future episodes! but you are right, it's pedantics. spoiler tags are very very simple, if people can't refrain from reading them then tough luck. it's very simple, whatever thread they are in is just pedantics.

Guys, we've long been going by the rule that no future episode spoilers whatsoever get posted in here. Even behind tags, it is too much of a temptation for people trying to avoid spoilers. I'm not necessarily one of those people, but we should respect their desire to stay spoiler free and not force them to scroll over long passages of blacked out text, which is what happens when spoilers start getting posted in here. And then the whole thread turns into a pissing and moaning thread over someone posting spoilers several pages back. If you want to discuss future spoilers go to another thread.

I'm not singling anyone out as I've often inadvertently posted spoilers in here as well and been chastised for it, but I try my best not to.

jimbling

6

Thought it was a good enough episode. About a 7. Definitely the first Jin/Sun episode I've enjoyed in a while, but to be honest, I'm finding all episodes enjoyable, even the poor ones.

speedboatchase wrote: »

In general it seems the defenders of bad episodes seem to say "oh I bet they have some CRAZY stuff lined up next week/in a few weeks/for the finale"

I haven't once seen someone defend a bad episode by saying they have crazy stuff lined up next etc. Where do you get this ****e?


In my opinion the people that are not enjoying it now are the ones that are only in it for the answers to every little question every asked. Can't you just enjoy the show?
Honestly, I'm beyond caring anyway.... most of ye just spout the same nonsense in every single episode thread.

homerun_homer

7

This episode is hardly bad to the level of Kate's episode early on. It's an 8/10 from me. What's good?

• We know officially that Widmore isn't siding with Smokie. He is on the "good" side of the impending war, regardless of whatever other motivations he may have.
• The return of Des!!
• Sun and Jin being more relevant again.
• Jack is being less of a douche.
• Learning Smokie may not be able to travel over water in smoke form.
• Dharma - gone but not forgotten.

dudeitshurley wrote: »

spoilers pertaining to the episode for people who havent seen it yet, not future episodes! but you are right, it's pedantics. spoiler tags are very very simple, if people can't refrain from reading them then tough luck. it's very simple, whatever thread they are in is just pedantics.

I agree that spoiler tags for future episodes shouldn't be here as done so earlier in this thread when someone posted about the bad ratings of future episodes from another website and then used spoiler tags for the remainder of what he had to say. Not everyone uses spoiler tags correctly and it can still spoil by only covering parts of a sentence but the larger part of the sentence will still provide spoiler hints.
e.g. If I was to say "I read that

XXXXXX

dies next week". The writer may not consider it a spoiler because he has himself covered with tags but to everyone else they will have it spoiled that a character death is due.

It gives non-spoiler phobes a bad impression when those spoiler sites are usually BS with the details. I remember seeing a spoiler last year on DarkUFO that the S5 finale would have the "frozen donkey wheel" moment revealing that in the temple is the aged Losties from the 70s Dharma period, coming out to meet the 2007 Losties.

abelard

My favourite part of the episode, although it was a completely throwaway sentence was when Widmore was talking to Jin, referring to The Package and said "it's not what, but whom", which sounded so much like "it's not what but Hume" that the writers must have done it on purpose as a nod to those who had speculated it would be him.

Otherwise, decent episode, I am starting to get that feeling of convergence again that means we're in the back half of a season.

Penn

7

homerun_homer wrote: »

I remember seeing a spoiler last year on DarkUFO that the S5 finale would have the "frozen donkey wheel" moment revealing that in the temple is the aged Losties from the 70s Dharma period, coming out to meet the 2007 Losties.

I have to admit, I did fall for that one

homerun_homer

7

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

I have to admit, I did fall for that one

I "accidentally" saw it and had to convince myself of how that could be a good ending to the season. Didn't quite convince myself but did invent a few interesting reasons why things might have been happening as they were as a result of it.

I'm happier with Jughead though.

Dymo

3

What a comedown after "Ab Aeterno", but then again Jin and Sun episodes are typically dull. Nothing much ever happens. Neither character is tied enough into the mysteries to capture my interest. It's all, "Where's my husband?" and "I have to find "Sun." That's fine for "Grey's Anatomy and that ilk, but not for an adventure/mystery show.

I suppose there was a thing or two learned tonight. Nothing all that surprising but it just moved along so slowly. I just don't get why they are dragging it out like this. They stated that they don't have time to answer all the questions but most every episode this season could be written off as filler. I swear they could of done the entire season in the two hour première

SilentAssassin

6

During the freezer scene in the flashsideways did Keamy say to Jin: "I'm gonna strap you in, in case you figure out what's going to happen on the island"? That's what I thought he said and Lostpedia had that quote posted up until an hour ago. I watched the ep live so have no way of seeing it again til it's on RTE tomorrow night.

Macker1

SilentAssassin wrote: »

During the freezer scene in the flashsideways did Keamy say to Jin: "I'm gonna strap you in, in case you figure out what's going to happen on the island"? That's what I thought he said and Lostpedia had that quote posted up until an hour ago. I watched the ep live so have no way of seeing it again til it's on RTE tomorrow night.

Just watched the episode and yes thats what Keamy said to Jin in the Freezer.

randomchild

Thought it was a good enough episode tbh, don't see what all the complaints are about. The desmond reveal was bloody obvious though would have loved it if it had been walt or something much more unpredictable (do love my Des though).

Sad Professor

5

SilentAssassin wrote: »

During the freezer scene in the flashsideways did Keamy say to Jin: "I'm gonna strap you in, in case you figure out what's going to happen on the island"? That's what I thought he said and Lostpedia had that quote posted up until an hour ago. I watched the ep live so have no way of seeing it again til it's on RTE tomorrow night.

No, I misheard this as well. What he actually says is:

"I'm gonna strap you here. Just in case you figure out what's about to happen to you, I can't have ya freakin out."

Him saying island makes no sense anyway. Such a reveal would be accompanied by dramatic pounding music. Durand is just mumbling.

homerun_homer

7

SilentAssassin wrote: »

During the freezer scene in the flashsideways did Keamy say to Jin: "I'm gonna strap you in, in case you figure out what's going to happen on the island"? That's what I thought he said and Lostpedia had that quote posted up until an hour ago. I watched the ep live so have no way of seeing it again til it's on RTE tomorrow night.

I thought that too but was sure I misheard. Just put the scene on again and it is tough to make out. I'm sure it's not "the island" and "to ya" but it would be an interesting twist.

jimbling

6

SilentAssassin wrote: »

During the freezer scene in the flashsideways did Keamy say to Jin: "I'm gonna strap you in, in case you figure out what's going to happen on the island"? That's what I thought he said and Lostpedia had that quote posted up until an hour ago. I watched the ep live so have no way of seeing it again til it's on RTE tomorrow night.

Ya, I actually replayed it like 5 times and it still kept sounding like the island. When I left it run I figured, via context, it was what SP said below

Sad Professor wrote: »

No, I misheard this as well. What he actually says is:

"I'm gonna strap you here. Just in case you figure out what's about to happen to you, I can't have ya freakin out."

Him saying island makes no sense anyway. Such a reveal would be accompanied by dramatic pounding music. Durand is just mumbling.

Sad Professor

5

I think he says something like, "... to you, I uh, can't..."

I think the "c" in "can't" is muffled, so it sounds like "i-uhl-an".

The fact that everyone is hearing "island" is evidence of how desperate we are for something interesting to be revealed in the sideways.

DeepBlue

7

I'm sure I'm in a minority here (perhaps a minority of one!) but Jin and Sun have always been two of my favourite characters ever since series one. I enjoyed this episode far more than last week's one.
Even putting that aside this isn't a filler episode as we've learned now that Smokie definitely isn't good in any way as he's happy to let Claire bump off Kate (well, we'd all like to see that happen tbh ) but only after she has served his purpose.
Also we've learned Widmore is "good" in the sense that his motivations seem to be to prevent Smokie getting off the island and to stop Smokie from destroying everything off-island - even if it's just Penny that Widmore cares about really.

I especially liked the Ben/Llana exchange:

Ben: Why won't you believe me?
Llana: Because your lips are moving!

Ha!

One minor quibble:
Smokie is running after Sun and is probably three or four yards behind her. Sun falls, gets knocked unconscious, gets found by Ben, wakes up, speaks to Ben and only then does Smokie finally catch up with her. Did Smokie stop for a fag break or something?

Dubs

just me or did anyone elselaugh when sun ran into a tree?

homerun_homer

7

DeepBlue wrote: »

One minor quibble:
Smokie is running after Sun and is probably three or four yards behind her. Sun falls, gets knocked unconscious, gets found by Ben, wakes up, speaks to Ben and only then does Smokie finally catch up with her. Did Smokie stop for a fag break or something?

Sun hit her head, went unconscious, found by Ben... Where are you pulling this "only then does Smokie catch up with her"? Think you hit your own head off a tree.

heebusjeebus

7

Why couldn't Smokie/Locke just tip them tripods over.
He needs to get creative here...

Wonder why he said that Kate's name is no longer on the list. What did Kate do to be crossed off?

Damon Lindelof tweeted earlier http://twitter.com/DamonLindelof

"In one week, the conversation is going to change."

Sad Professor

5

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Why couldn't Smokie/Locke just tip them tripods over.
He needs to get creative here...

Yeah, if he was able to throw a rock at Bram and knock him out of the ash circle, he shouldn't have any problem with Widmore's pylons.

So what's the verdict on Widmore? Is he a good guy? If so, does that mean all of season 4 and 5 wouldn't have happened if they had just kicked Ben out to Keamy that time like Sawyer wanted?

Jay Ru

4

gave it a 5. does the fact that Sun is still going by her maiden name in the flash sideways have any relevance on she's Qwon candidate or not?

one thing that bothered me was when Widmores peeps came for Jin, why o why, (especially if there gonna be at war with them) didn't they take more people. i know they only need Jin to clear up a few things but the best way to win a war is defeat or remove the army before it starts.

was is Widmore who said "War is coming to the island" in the first place?

Sad Professor

5

Jay Ru wrote: »

gave it a 5. does the fact that Sun is still going by her maiden name in the flash sideways have any relevance on she's Qwon candidate or not?

Good catch. In fact, maybe all 6 names refer to the sideway's versions of the characters rather than the island ones. In the sideways, Locke is still alive, Sayid still has a soul, etc.

Jay Ru

4

it wud be a good way to tie the flashes in alright, but i'd argue Sayid's name is still on the list only because he was changed (came back to life) after Jacobs death. Was Lockes name still on the list?

FreudianSlippers

4

Dubs wrote: »

just me or did anyone elselaugh when sun ran into a tree?

lol someone loop it and play Yakety Sax.

I thought this episode was mediocre at best so I give it a 5. Hopefully just a building block for the next few weeks.
Interesting tie-up with what happened to Keamy and Jin/Sun after Sayid left the restaurant. Very cool that Jin was being sent to the US in the first place to be killed, but what was Sun there for?

Sad Professor

5

Jay Ru wrote: »

Was Lockes name still on the list?

MIB crossed it out. But since he didn't even know which Kwon the list referred to, he may not be the best judge of who is/isn't on the list anymore.

Resi12

9

Anything to do with Sun is a 10/10 for me, she is by far the most likeable character in the whole show. A joy to watch, she is much more believable than the others and her off-island stories are always enjoyable.

The one annoyance is that she finally gets a great part written for her but she can only speak in Korean and the others can't even understand her? Love the twist that the money was to pay for his own killing, nice twist. I have an awful feeling she isn't going to make it out of the Island alive, I really hope I'm wrong or I would be pissed off.

I like the moments with Jack and her, it was very much like the earlier seasons and it was nice to see Jack more relaxed rather being on edge the whole time. Overall I gotta say it was a great episode, let's hope the good episodes continue.

prunudo

6

I liked this episode, gave it a 7. I enjoyed as much as last week's although they were good for different reasons. Maybe i'm picking up the whole flash-sideways wrong but i noticed some people said 'oh thats how Mikail got the eye patch'. Surely in the original timeline he would have lost his eye some other way as the island is on the bottom of the ocean in the sideways.

Also is it possible that Jin and Sun aren't married in the flash sideways at all. And I also think the fact see couldn't speak English is something to do with Mib/flocke

The look Sayid and Desmond eachother at the end was also very interesting. I wonder was Desmond thinking that Sayid was going to rescue him?

Sad Professor

5

Resi12 wrote: »

I have an awful feeling she isn't going to make it out of the Island alive, I really hope I'm wrong or I would be pissed off.

Why would they kill her at this stage though? She has a daughter to go back to.

But having said that, maybe everyone will die. As in the whole island, whole world, everyone. There are two parallel timelines - one of them has to go. Destroying the sideways timeline would be a pointless conclusion to an already pointless narrative device. Destroying the original timeline would allow them to end the show on a dark note while simultaneously giving everyone a happy ending in the sideways universe.

I've been saying this since the premiere and I still see no other way for them to justify the flash-sideways.

Re: which Kwon is the candidate:

Given that Jacob has been watching them since they were children, doesn't it kinda have to be Jin? I mean, even in the original timeline Sun only married Jin a few years before the crash. She was a Palk before that.