Leinster v Munster match

frankie2shoes

Does anyone know if there's a pub in kilkenny opening to show this match on good friday. Langton's and set have no mention of it on their websites, nor does kilkenny rugby club. Suprisingly Benji has designed a site for the tholsel yet!!!:D

Raze_them_all

Nope no pubs open. Thank you catholics.

Captain Havoc

There is a glimmer of hope, news report last night said some pubs around the country would be opening for food and minerals. I know this is like going to a brothel for a hug but if it's the big screen your after someone may do it.

andyman

Langtons won't be showing it. It's open but only until 8 if I remember correctly.

Definitely will not be in SET. There's some fashion weekend on in there.

frankie2shoes

Bloody religious zealots. whatever happened to seperation of church and state...........

Purry Cat

frankie2shoes wrote: »

Bloody religious zealots. whatever happened to seperation of church and state...........

What do you mean, "whatever happened to seperation of church and state"? This is Ireland, not the USA. Hadn't you noticed?

fabbydabby

Our society is increasingly secular, now more than ever, but regardless of religious interpretations or origins (most of these feasts are derived from pagan beliefs anyway) surely we can have one day a year without alcohol, just to prove that we can do it?

Or maybe we'll just buy a flagon of Devil's Bastrd on Thursday and go bushin' down the 'nal.

Captain Havoc

If you're really desperate you can buy alcohol on the trains.

thetonynator

Captain Havoc wrote: »

If you're really desperate you can buy alcohol on the trains.

or in thomond park . . .

highgiant1985

Captain Havoc wrote: »

If you're really desperate you can buy alcohol on the trains.

aren't hotels allowed serve as well? if so book yourself into a hotel thatll be able to show the match :P

frankie2shoes

Wishful thinking on my part with the "separation of church and state", even in America its an empty statement.
I don't understand why those practicing catholics can't abstain from alcohol using will power. surely it would be a better test of ones faith to not drink when its available than have the church force you to adhere.
The contradictions of organised religion astound me!!!

catbear

Totally agree Frankie two shoes, it's there rite, they practice and leave the others unaffiliated to them choose their own rites.

Silly country, it would drive you to drink!

Lump

Just don't drink for a day..... or buy from a supermarket on Thursday.....

Captain Havoc

catbear wrote: »

Silly country, it would drive you to drink!

badum tish

I'm a catholic so it doesn't bother me if the state is a catholic one or secular. When I was living in Switzerland you have to pay tax to your church or declare yourself an aethiest, which I couldn't do. It's one out of two days of the year the pubs are closed, people shouldn't moan about it. I also think everyone who works Sundays should get double or triple pay, there really should be a day of the week when people can get together and play sport or whatever.

Raze_them_all

Captain Havoc wrote: »

badum tish

I'm a catholic so it doesn't bother me if the state is a catholic one or secular. When I was living in Switzerland you have to pay tax to your church or declare yourself an aethiest, which I couldn't do. It's one out of two days of the year the pubs are closed, people shouldn't moan about it. I also think everyone who works Sundays should get double or triple pay, there really should be a day of the week when people can get together and play sport or whatever.

My personal problem with it is that I am an athiest and am being forced to adhere to a law made by catholics for catholics.

Captain Havoc

Raze_them_all wrote: »

My personal problem with it is that I am an athiest and am being forced to adhere to a law made by catholics for catholics.

Two days out of 365, it won't kill you, most other facilities are open anyway. Another point about good Friday, I don't drink much so again it doesn't affect me. My point about the Sundays was geared towards most people having a day off at the same time.

Raze_them_all

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Two days out of 365, it won't kill you, most other facilities are open anyway. Another point about good Friday, I don't drink much so again it doesn't affect me. My point about the Sundays was geared towards most people having a day off at the same time.

Would you be ok with people being forced to obey other religious laws even twice a year, like women being forced to wear bhurka's?

It wont effect me as I'll be hitting the offie thursday

frankie2shoes

The weird thing is, I'm not even that pushed about drinking friday. I just wanna watch the match. I don't have a subscription to setanta sports (got rid of it 2 years ago 'cos i wasn't happy with the service), and watching it streaming online is hit and miss. I can't get to the match (although I was offered tickets) as I'm working friday, so what do ya do? thanks to some invented date carried over, as someone said, to fit in with a pagan feast, its decided that we're too weak as a people to decide for ourselves whether or not we can visit a pub!!!

Captain Havoc

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Would you be ok with people being forced to obey other religious laws even twice a year, like women being forced to wear bhurka's?

It wont effect me as I'll be hitting the offie thursday

I've lived in a few different countries and I'd never move to an Arab state because of the significant cultural difference. I would expect people of different cultures to respect our own cultures when they are living here. I do think there is an argument for opening on Good Friday for people such as yourself, it is up to us not to drink, we can't eat meat either but I'd say McDonalds will be open some how. You won't find me supporting the argument to open the pubs but you won't find me supporting the argument to keep them closed either.

Captain Havoc

frankie2shoes wrote: »

The weird thing is, I'm not even that pushed about drinking friday. I just wanna watch the match. I don't have a subscription to setanta sports (got rid of it 2 years ago 'cos i wasn't happy with the service), and watching it streaming online is hit and miss. I can't get to the match (although I was offered tickets) as I'm working friday, so what do ya do? thanks to some invented date carried over, as someone said, to fit in with a pagan feast, its decided that we're too weak as a people to decide for ourselves whether or not we can visit a pub!!!

If Eircom is your provider you can watch it online as opposed to using a dodgey site.

frankie2shoes

not with eircom:(

catbear

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Two days out of 365, it won't kill you, most other facilities are open anyway. Another point about good Friday, I don't drink much so again it doesn't affect me. My point about the Sundays was geared towards most people having a day off at the same time.

So what's good for you is good for everyone?
If people want to be good catholics, buddhists, mormons, whatever, do whatever they want to do. But get this straight, you are not me and you should not have any power over whichever liquid I wish to consume on any given day, at any given hour, etc...

That kind of thinking is for sheep.

BTW, I don't drink much either, but I respect other peoples right to do whatever they want as long at it doesn't hurt anyone else and the only risk falls on the doer.

frankie2shoes

good point, well said. catbear

Captain Havoc

frankie2shoes wrote: »

not with eircom:(

Surely there has to be one publican intelligent enough to open the doors on Good Friday even just for food and minerals.

frankie2shoes

langtons has some sort of fashion thing on..........

Captain Havoc

catbear wrote: »

So what's good for you is good for everyone?

No my point is, it doesn't effect me so it's not an issue for me, in fact I don't even know why I brought it up in the first place.

catbear

Ok, i hear you. Peace.

Purry Cat

catbear wrote: »

So what's good for you is good for everyone?
If people want to be good catholics, buddhists, mormons, whatever, do whatever they want to do. But get this straight, you are not me and you should not have any power over whichever liquid I wish to consume on any given day, at any given hour, etc...

That kind of thinking is for sheep.

BTW, I don't drink much either, but I respect other peoples right to do whatever they want as long at it doesn't hurt anyone else and the only risk falls on the doer.

It's not up to Captain Havoc to decide what you consume and when. However, it IS up to the State to do so. That's why we have, for instance, laws on drink-driving - and laws on closing time as well. We allow the State to impinge on certain things we'd like to do in return for a degree of social order.

The problem with respecting other people's right "to do whatever they want as long it doesn't hurt anyone else" is that some people are incapable of doing whatever they want WITHOUT hurting others - and in those cases, inevitably, the risk falls on innocent people. The laws of this country are designed with the common good in mind, not the good of the individual.

zootroid

Purry Cat wrote: »

It's not up to Captain Havoc to decide what you consume and when. However, it IS up to the State to do so. That's why we have, for instance, laws on drink-driving - and laws on closing time as well. We allow the State to impinge on certain things we'd like to do in return for a degree of social order.

The problem with respecting other people's right "to do whatever they want as long it doesn't hurt anyone else" is that some people are incapable of doing whatever they want WITHOUT hurting others - and in those cases, inevitably, the risk falls on innocent people. The laws of this country are designed with the common good in mind, not the good of the individual.

That still doesn't answer the question why pubs are not allowed to sell alcohol on Good Friday.

In my opinion it's a ridiculous law that has no place in a modern democracy. It is promoting the religious beliefs of one group of people to the laws of the state, which govern everyone, regardless of religious affiliation.

The sooner this backward law is corrected, the better. By the way, I wouldn't regard myself as a heavy drinker, but I do object to being told what days I can and can't drink for no good reason but to appease some people of a particular religious persuasion.

JoseJones

Closing pubs on good Friday is nothing to do with the common good though, it's a church holiday.

Drink driving fair enough, everybody knows there has to be laws to stop that, good Friday is a completely different matter, there's plenty of people who aren't christian in this country who are prevented from having a pint or whatever by the church.

The whole "it's only one day" argument completely misses the point aswell. What if it was against the law to eat meat on good Friday too, "ah sure, it's only one day"; that's irrelevant.

Anyway, it's only a matter of time before the law is changed, the pubs in Limerick have started the ball rolling.

Raze_them_all

JoseJones wrote: »

Closing pubs on good Friday is nothing to do with the common good though, it's a church holiday.

Drink driving fair enough, everybody knows there has to be laws to stop that, good Friday is a completely different matter, there's plenty of people who aren't christian in this country who are prevented from having a pint or whatever by the church.

The whole "it's only one day" argument completely misses the point aswell. What if it was against the law to eat meat on good Friday too, "ah sure, it's only one day"; that's irrelevant.

Anyway, it's only a matter of time before the law is changed, the pubs in Limerick have started the ball rolling.

Oh the old looks of horror ordering a breakfast roll/ham roll back in school. Used to be priceless.

"you know you can't eat that right"
"eh why not?"
"It's good friday"
"It's a better friday with some pig":D

Purry Cat

zootroid wrote: »

That still doesn't answer the question why pubs are not allowed to sell alcohol on Good Friday.

Because that's the way Irish law has developed, firstly under the Brits and then since independence. It's not all that long ago since there were no pubs open or newspapers printed in Britain on Good Friday, for instance. Or try getting a late drink in Boston - you won't, thanks to New England's Puritan heritage.

Am not objecting to your point - or anyone else's here - about the pubs being closed on Good Friday. Sooner or later the law will be changed. But certain Irish laws arise inevitably from national culture and ethos. Complain about it all you like, but recognise this fact too.

catbear

I suggest you reread my post Purry Cat, you might may find that in no way have I condoned behavior like you outlined in your rebuttal.

The law of this country does not protect anyone from stupidity. I took no part in the property mania, I never loaded up on bank shares, I didn't secure my future with property investments etc... yet the state is acting against me, diverting my tax away from services I need to pick up the losses of the very banks that are walking away free and laughing at you and me.

Purry cat, grow up. no one can protect us from morons, epecially when then think they're doing the right thing. The right thing was to let the banks fold, people must come first, bad business practice must not be rewarded. The state, which you say should protect us is loading up the gamblers with our wealth to go blow it all again.

I don't care how indignant this post may make you feel, I've had it with the morons in power and the morons who elect them. That goes for all the parties. No one marched for me when the second most vital need after food was hijacked by developers, their bought politicians, their bought unions, and every moron who believed that they entitled to money for nothing.

When Jesus asked by his disciples what they should do if they came to a place where the people were hostile to their message and would not listen, he said leave that town and wipe their dust from your feet, and walk on.
Live and let live.

BTW
What I don't get about Good Friday is that the whole significance of easter is the resurrection.

Purry Cat

catbear wrote: »

I suggest you reread my post Purry Cat, you might may find that in no way have I condoned behavior like you outlined in your rebuttal.

The law of this country does not protect anyone from stupidity. I took no part in the property mania, I never loaded up on bank shares, I didn't secure my future with property investments etc... yet the state is acting against me, diverting my tax away from services I need to pick up the losses of the very banks that are walking away free and laughing at you and me.

Purry cat, grow up. no one can protect us from morons, epecially when then think they're doing the right thing. The right thing was to let the banks fold, people must come first, bad business practice must not be rewarded. The state, which you say should protect us is loading up the gamblers with our wealth to go blow it all again.


My dear man, I'm not for a second suggesting you condoned bad behaviour! And I couldn't agree more with your observations on the current state of chassis we're in! My basic point - and apologies if I wasn't clear enough about this - is that the laws of a country arise to at least some extent from the culture and ethos of that country. Hence the pubs being shut on Good Friday in what is, or at any rate was, an overwhelmingly Catholic country.

For the record, not only would I have happily allowed Anglo go to the wall, I'dve shot the chief executives and boards of the major banks.

That is all.

catbear

We probably agree about most things.
I see your point about how the laws came to be and how they will likely change. I just want less government interference in my life, how I worship any god or not worship is none of this governments business.

I'd believe the members of government for the last decade are the ultimate villains, after all the banks were operating under a license issued by the government; complicit by consent.

Perhaps we'll see another Easter rising, the death of a corrupt state and the birth of a new contract. Something has to give.

frankie2shoes

I just wanted to know if there was somewhere I could watch the match this friday!!
Now I'm near suicidal as I contemplate the mess this country is in both socially and politically.
Have been trying to avoid thinking about what's been done and how it will affect my life and that of my children (and maybe even their children). To have so much damage done to a Nation by so few is trully outrageous.
But surely this discussion is for another post?
I JUST WANNA WATCH DE MATCH!!!!

catbear

Langtons is probably your best bet. I saw a poster inviting everyone to a Tapas tasting evening on Friday with a complimentary glass of wine. I guess that's how they get around the talaban. I guess they'll have a scene somewhere in there.

Sorry for straying off your topic Frankie, fraught times and all.