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Todays Rabbit 216m 6 kmph wind speed, not a record but then what is??

  • 28-03-2010 5:28pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭


    I was out shooting today and I thought, what is the longest recorded kill of a rabbit or fox in Ireland. My personal best is 350m. That is not amazing just hard to get rabbits at the ranges I want. Either they are at 1000 or between 150 and 350 as a norm on the land I shoot.

    Anybody can shoot paper as it stays still and is where you want it.
    Rabbits tend to move, so too foxes grey crows and magpies.

    My longest kill Magpie was 217 metres. He only stayed still for half a second to get a shot off.

    I have read a lot of you guys like long range varminting.
    I would just be interested in perhaps starting a league table.
    I know of a few folks who have shot rabbits out to 500 metres or yards with a riflecraft .243.

    I'd just be interested to see the differences with Factory ammo and standard rifle Vs Custom


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    I was out shooting today and I thought, what is the longest recorded kill of a rabbit or fox in Ireland. My personal best is 350m. That is not amazing just hard to get rabbits at the ranges I want. Either they are at 1000 or between 150 and 350 as a norm on the land I shoot.

    Anybody can shoot paper as it stays still and is where you want it.
    Rabbits tend to move, so too foxes grey crows and magpies.

    My longest kill Magpie was 217 metres. He only stayed still for half a second to get a shot off.

    I have read a lot of you guys like long range varminting.
    I would just be interested in perhaps starting a league table.
    I know of a few folks who have shot rabbits out to 500 metres or yards with a riflecraft .243.

    I'd just be interested to see the differences with Factory ammo and standard rifle Vs Custom

    I know the Tikka Boy's will deffo have a major input ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    I know jwshooter shot a rabbit at 705 yards with a Tikka Lite .243. That's the longest I know of. Hoping to find a few places for long shots on rabbits over the summer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭foxshooter243


    mines is 610 yards on a black backed gull
    542 yards on a wild goat
    311 yards on a fox
    525 on a greycrow-all with 243 and 85 grain sierras except the fox and that was with a 223 and 40 grain v max.

    and for an inanimate object 1230 yards on a clay pigeon , but I used three shots to get in on it with my savage 12 f.tr and a 155 grain sierra palma.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    I know jwshooter shot a rabbit at 705 yards with a Tikka Lite .243. That's the longest I know of. Hoping to find a few places for long shots on rabbits over the summer.

    I have a few nice places in South westmeath and North and west offaly.

    If this thread goes well we might even set up a Varminting group :D
    Especially due to the fact it is currently 19:13 and there is plenty enough light to shoot bunnies. Sooner my supplier gets me my ammo the better.
    I am down to 8 rounds Moly .223 with the promise of more on the way.

    And of course some vids would be excellent, however I have no video camera so i will rely on others to post.

    I'd love to see a mag or a grey Crow being popped, .223 when hit central body mass puts feathers to the clouds lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    I have a few nice places in South westmeath and North and west offaly.

    If this thread goes well we might even set up a Varminting group :D
    Especially due to the fact it is currently 19:13 and there is plenty enough light to shoot bunnies. Sooner my supplier gets me my ammo the better.
    I am down to 8 rounds Moly .223 with the promise of more on the way.

    And of course some vids would be excellent, however I have no video camera so i will rely on others to post.

    I'd love to see a mag or a grey Crow being popped, .223 when hit central body mass puts feathers to the clouds lol

    I'm waiting on a similar delivery. Hopefully will be in when I get back from the Isle of Man, then a varminting meet up sounds good. The .25-06 is well capable out to a fairly substantial range.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭ghostmantra


    280 yards on a fox.243 sako
    160 yards on rabbit (today).243 sako
    106 yards on gray crow.22lr cz
    but if target presented it self further away i would hope to do the business:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    ITM ,how did u work out with the mounts ? .


    iv a fox at 400 and a grey crow at the same distance. with a 110gr v max in the 270.
    iv feathers on a grey crow at 930 ,but thats all it was :mad:.

    my long range shooting buddys have shots on rabbits over 500yds.

    we shoot a lot of long range balloons ,its great crack and you will learn a lot.

    best not talk about shooting large game at long range .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    jwshooter wrote: »
    ITM ,how did u work out with the mounts ? .


    iv a fox at 400 and a grey crow at the same distance. with a 110gr v max in the 270.
    iv feathers on a grey crow at 930 ,but thats all it was :mad:.

    my long range shooting buddys have shots on rabbits over 500yds.

    we shoot a lot of long range balloons ,its great crack and you will learn a lot.

    best not talk about shooting large game at long range .

    College work has me stuck around here and I'm off to the Isle of Man this week, so only been able to hopefully fix things so far. Was onto JL, he suggested I try re-mount the scope first with Loctite, so I've done that. Am currently waiting for ammo to come in to zero it and burst some clays out to long ranges, hopefully it holds solid now. If I need to buy new mounts, I'll know after that. Want lower ones, so may be buying over the summer anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    my 50mm bell in about 2mm off the barrel .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    jwshooter wrote: »
    my 50mm bell in about 2mm off the barrel .

    More what I'm looking for. Mine's about 11mm at the moment.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    College work has me stuck around here and I'm off to the Isle of Man this week, so only been able to hopefully fix things so far. Was onto JL, he suggested I try re-mount the scope first with Loctite, so I've done that. Am currently waiting for ammo to come in to zero it and burst some clays out to long ranges, hopefully it holds solid now. If I need to buy new mounts, I'll know after that. Want lower ones, so may be buying over the summer anyway.

    I had a problem with mounts opening allen heads loosening on mounts with windage. I changed the mounts to Burris mounts tactical. they have a heavy duty nut to bolt onto mounting rail and six screws per ring.

    They have not stirred since.
    Burris scopes may not be brilliant but they make great mounts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    I'm waiting on a similar delivery. Hopefully will be in when I get back from the Isle of Man, then a varminting meet up sounds good. The .25-06 is well capable out to a fairly substantial range.

    I agree a varmint meet up sounds good.
    I always wanted a .25/06 but I have 4 firearms at the mo so If I want one more I have to spend a lot on security etc.

    I might swap my varmint scope from my .223 to my .308 to see if the heavy round can push the envelope.

    I'm trying to get 110gr Hornady Tap .308 for varminting but waiting on same .223 Hornady shipment.
    The only problem is the .308 is not silenced remington VTR and one shot and bunnies disappear.
    Where as the .223 gives a follow up shot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Well you're welcome to a look at mine sometime. It's a good round, very, very flat-shooting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Well you're welcome to a look at mine sometime. It's a good round, very, very flat-shooting.

    I almost bought one once. I'm doing college part time at the mo so free time is limited, but exams are over in a few weeks and that leaves me with 3 days on adverage off a week.

    I wonder it the back of nowhere listed on my GPS? lol

    If only it was like Texas and I could have as many rifles as I want!
    All the land I shoot on is owned by relatives or friends so I can bring a mate no probs
    Once I don't get my permissions poached, I brought a Rossie out once and a few weeks later I saw him and HIS mates shooting on my uncles land !
    But as I said he was from Roscommon :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭shanmoll308


    Hey Guys,

    Long range varminting got me into long range target shooting. As putting a target out every 100 yards to check my bullet drop and group size to make my drop chart, got as interesting as shooting varmints themselves. My personal best to date..

    845 yard rabbit (Savage F/TR 308, Leupold VXIII long range 8.5-25 x 50)
    Bullet drop: 21.5 MOA.
    525 yard fox (Remington 220 Swift, Nightforce NXS 8-32 X 50)
    Bullet drop: 7.25 MOA.
    460 yard Grey crow (220 Swift)
    Bullet drop: 5.5 MOA

    Shanmoll308


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    More what I'm looking for. Mine's about 11mm at the moment.

    i would not put loctite on it BTW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    jwshooter wrote: »
    i would not put loctite on it BTW

    I'm hoping it'll solve my problems until I can afford new mounts, which I'll be getting someone else to install, to eliminate possible errors on my part. I'll know in a couple of weeks when I get more ammo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    if the mounts are tight glueing them will not help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Hey Guys,

    Long range varminting got me into long range target shooting. As putting a target out every 100 yards to check my bullet drop and group size to make my drop chart, got as interesting as shooting varmints themselves. My personal best to date..

    845 yard rabbit (Savage F/TR 308, Leupold VXIII long range 8.5-25 x 50)
    Bullet drop: 21.5 MOA.
    525 yard fox (Remington 220 Swift, Nightforce NXS 8-32 X 50)
    Bullet drop: 7.25 MOA.
    460 yard Grey crow (220 Swift)
    Bullet drop: 5.5 MOA

    Shanmoll308

    So do you think we should start a varmnt group?
    I love varminting as I like reactive targets. And all farmers like to see rabbits controlled as they destroy fields with warrens if let.

    That's an amazing rabbit shot, although your grey crow is better as I know they do twitch and move and never stay still

    I'm new to MOA
    My scope derivations are in 1/4 inch @100 yards
    yet the cross hairs have .2 MOA @100

    I suppose I may figure it out if I want to match your confirmed hits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    Hey Guys,

    Long range varminting got me into long range target shooting. As putting a target out every 100 yards to check my bullet drop and group size to make my drop chart, got as interesting as shooting varmints themselves. My personal best to date..

    845 yard rabbit (Savage F/TR 308, Leupold VXIII long range 8.5-25 x 50)
    Bullet drop: 21.5 MOA.
    525 yard fox (Remington 220 Swift, Nightforce NXS 8-32 X 50)
    Bullet drop: 7.25 MOA.
    460 yard Grey crow (220 Swift)
    Bullet drop: 5.5 MOA

    Shanmoll308

    thats good shooting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭shanmoll308


    Hey Tackleberrywho

    If you like reactive targets I have got one for you. Get two clay pigeons, mix a small amount of cement and put into one of the clays and mark it with a marker. Fill the other with lime dust and stick the two together. Place out at long distance keeping the clay with the marker facing you. The concrete causes the bullet to fragment on impact and you get a nice puff of white smoke from the lime dust. :D

    And yes I think that a varmint group would be a great idea and if anyone else has any other ideas for reactive targets or would like to share what they do for some long range fun I would be glad to hear.

    Shanmoll308.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭kay 9


    Hey Guys,

    Long range varminting got me into long range target shooting. As putting a target out every 100 yards to check my bullet drop and group size to make my drop chart, got as interesting as shooting varmints themselves. My personal best to date..

    845 yard rabbit (Savage F/TR 308, Leupold VXIII long range 8.5-25 x 50)
    Bullet drop: 21.5 MOA.
    525 yard fox (Remington 220 Swift, Nightforce NXS 8-32 X 50)
    Bullet drop: 7.25 MOA.
    460 yard Grey crow (220 Swift)
    Bullet drop: 5.5 MOA

    Shanmoll308
    Amazing shootin, 845 yd rabbit:D (cool) Quit the day job and join the US navy snipers. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Hey Tackleberrywho

    If you like reactive targets I have got one for you. Get two clay pigeons, mix a small amount of cement and put into one of the clays and mark it with a marker. Fill the other with lime dust and stick the two together. Place out at long distance keeping the clay with the marker facing you. The concrete causes the bullet to fragment on impact and you get a nice puff of white smoke from the lime dust. :D

    And yes I think that a varmint group would be a great idea and if anyone else has any other ideas for reactive targets or would like to share what they do for some long range fun I would be glad to hear.

    Shanmoll308.
    We used to use Golf balls
    Hit ball on right it goes left and vise versa
    Dead on it fragments

    like your idea, may try it, I once shot a Heineken mini keg, very dramatic lol

    Looks like The varmint Express group has been formed ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭kay 9


    We used to use Golf balls
    Hit ball on right it goes left and vise versa
    Dead on it fragments

    like your idea, may try it, I once shot a Heineken mini keg, very dramatic lol

    Looks like The varmint Express group has been formed ;)
    Cans of expanding foam are some craic lol:D Expensive shootin tho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭jap gt


    Hey Guys,

    Long range varminting got me into long range target shooting. As putting a target out every 100 yards to check my bullet drop and group size to make my drop chart, got as interesting as shooting varmints themselves. My personal best to date..

    845 yard rabbit (Savage F/TR 308, Leupold VXIII long range 8.5-25 x 50)
    Bullet drop: 21.5 MOA.
    525 yard fox (Remington 220 Swift, Nightforce NXS 8-32 X 50)
    Bullet drop: 7.25 MOA.
    460 yard Grey crow (220 Swift)
    Bullet drop: 5.5 MOA

    Shanmoll308

    thats great shooting, some shot on a rabbit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    kay 9 wrote: »
    Cans of expanding foam are some craic lol:D Expensive shootin tho

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIAqq3-vJuU

    A bit American, but funny lol

    Clay bricks are also quite good as when they bust the leave only dust behind them.
    The youtube clip a bit harder to clean up lol;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    What should we call this group?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    Count me in.......Sounds like a bit of fun for ya lunch time;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭poulo6.5


    that sounds like some good clean fun, can i play:D

    would it be a case of bring what you got or would it be broken up into .223, .243. 308. etc. with out getting to complicated.

    where would it be held and when


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    poulo6.5 wrote: »
    that sounds like some good clean fun, can i play:D

    would it be a case of bring what you got or would it be broken up into .223, .243. 308. etc. with out getting to complicated.

    where would it be held and when

    Ah, that'd take all the fun out of it. Anything that sends lead downrange, no differentiation or anything. It's all going to be shooter skill anyway to hit crows and bunnies out at 500+ yards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Ah, that'd take all the fun out of it. Anything that sends lead downrange, no differentiation or anything. It's all going to be shooter skill anyway to hit crows and bunnies out at 500+ yards.

    I think all calibers should be included
    And then a true comparison could be made between calibers and scope combo's

    But special awards for .223 over 500 yards as it is the baby of the group.
    Try and get moderated rifles though because if a few lads arrive in a field and start making a lot of noise it can attract the wrong kind of attention, and discourage bunnies from popping out of their burrows

    It will be interesting to compare different twist rate rifles and see who's can go further accurately


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    we play a game .

    3 of us put out balloons at un known ranges in random places . just blow them up the tie them to grass,heather etc.

    a bit of baby powder ,or red builders chalk in the balloons gives good effect.

    we all lie down ,i call the shot for the man next to me .like blue beside the big stone at about 500 yds .he has a shot to hit it,if he missed i shoot if i miss the other lad shoots etc.

    we shoot .22 out to 300yds its as good a crack ,but its hard to see thes strike at times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭demonloop


    Anybody can shoot paper as it stays still and is where you want it.

    I've shot a 75/75 on paper at 1200yds, iron sights with a 20" bull (from memory) but as you say, that's easy as paper stands still :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    demonloop wrote: »
    I've shot a 75/75 on paper at 1200yds, iron sights with a 20" bull (from memory) but as you say, that's easy as paper stands still :rolleyes:

    I'm not dissing iron sights
    To the contary, fair play. I know a few guys who are great at it. I'm short sighted in one eye and half blind in the other so I can't use iron sights.
    I use a green thruglo bed on my shotgun for same reason.

    Hence when I discovered that Nightforce made a scope high mag I said that was the scope for me.
    now I have two of them.
    I know guys who use iron sights and are world class shots.
    I have fired two different machine guns with Iron sights and my old swedish mauser.
    I can hit a plate size target @ 100m. Thats the best i can do.
    What I meant was using 32max scope on paper @400 and a rabbit is much different! Magpies and grey crows even harder due to the fact they never stay still.

    But if you want you can shoot with us hooligans. Iron sight Rabbit @1200 Now that would be a Guinness book of records!;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭poulo6.5


    hi lads. has anyone got any idea how we could bring this together.
    there seams to be a lot off people on here with the same idea .

    will it be possible for a bunch of us to get together and work something out;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    poulo6.5 wrote: »
    hi lads. has anyone got any idea how we could bring this together.
    there seams to be a lot off people on here with the same idea .

    will it be possible for a bunch of us to get together and work something out;)

    Could some one ring Met Eireann and ask them whats the story with the weather?

    Feckin Snowing here in offaly at the mo!!
    And windy as FCUK so not ideal for org'ing a shoot.
    Although for the hard chaw's by all means :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    In a standing position with a .22lr my longest shot has been 145 yards approximately (Range finder). I was pretty proud that I took a shot like that off the shoulder :P

    Longest shot in a prone position is about 210 yards. My brother took the best shot I have seen with the .22lr. He poped this rabbit at about 240 yards that was grazing behind a log. All you I could see was two ears. The rabbit barely put his head over the log when my brother took the shot. I thought he missed until we went and checked the area. Low and behold there's the rabbit with a hole in its head. "You jammy git" was my response... :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    In a standing position with a .22lr my longest shot has been 145 yards approximately (Range finder). I was pretty proud that I took a shot like that off the shoulder :P

    Longest shot in a prone position is about 210 yards. My brother took the best shot I have seen with the .22lr. He poped this rabbit at about 240 yards that was grazing behind a log. All you I could see was two ears. The rabbit barely put his head over the log when my brother took the shot. I thought he missed until we went and checked the area. Low and behold there's the rabbit with a hole in its head. "You jammy git" was my response... :P

    A guy I know from the Ireland f-class team MNSCI son shot balloons in front of my eyes @400 yards with an Anschutz .22lr in 2001.
    He had to aim 12 feet above the backstop to hit them. (some hold over)
    But there was a few of them at it and the spotter is the key. 3 feet let 1 foot high etc.
    These instructions are vital when one can not see the target.
    But a 240 yard bunny is something special with a 22lr, on a par with scoring a 25year old when you were 12.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    333 stepped yards with a .22 using HV .on a mixi raddit 5th shot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭riflehunter77


    jwshooter wrote: »
    333 stepped yards with a .22 using HV .on a mixi raddit 5th shot

    :eek::eek::eek:

    Jayzus I thought my 208 yards on a rabbit with the Hmr was good .



    Great thread lads and some fantastic shooting by all aswell. Need to get out myself its being to long at the moment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭murphy125


    I know some (most) of you wont believe me but my dad shot a rabbit about 400 yards not joking with a cz 22lr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    We need to get 6.5's Video man to confirm some of those Hits:D

    I picked up 200rnds in j McB in Athlone this evening.
    All I need now is the 1.5inches of snow outside the door to disappear.
    On my way home from McB's I saw a major RTA on the M6 due to said same snow.

    J Mcb has 400 40 grain Moly Coated in stock if any of you guys finding it hard to get some.
    I got 200 55grn so that will keep me going for the while.;)
    He even gave me a lovely Boars tusk key ring for having to wait a month and a half for Ammo ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Dvs


    I have great idea,
    you probably won't agree with it,
    why don't you discuss this somewhere other than a public forum.


    Dvs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Dvs wrote: »
    I have great idea,
    you probably won't agree with it,
    why don't you discuss this somewhere other than a public forum.


    Dvs.
    Why not?
    Is a forum not the place for discussion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭jap gt


    Dvs wrote: »
    I have great idea,
    you probably won't agree with it,
    why don't you discuss this somewhere other than a public forum.


    Dvs.

    i think its a good idea that these lads have, its interesting to me at least anyway seeing what lads can do, i cant see anything illegal being talked about, care to explain why it shouldnt be on a public forum:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    320 yd bunny with me old cz 223 and a 215 yd maggy wit me 17hmr is about all I can brag about....
    But watch this space...things are going to get interesting this summer....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    Dvs wrote: »
    I have great idea,
    you probably won't agree with it,
    why don't you discuss this somewhere other than a public forum.


    Dvs.
    WHY?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    dwighet wrote: »
    320 yd bunny with me old cz 223 and a 215 yd maggy wit me 17hmr is about all I can brag about....
    But watch this space...things are going to get interesting this summer....

    215 yard maggie is impressive as they only sit still for seconds. rabbits give minutes.

    What kind of CZ?
    was it a varmint or sporter?
    I never fired these -22 cal's
    Although if you youtube .17 vs coke can very funny

    Actually, Coke can's make SAVAGE Reactive targets :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    I reckon DVS is advising ye that the DOJ and others look in here and organising this type of thing might be regarded as organised "target" shooting in an unauthorised place which is now outlawed by the new legislation.

    In the same way a Super used a video/s on U Tube to hassle some shooters elsewhere in the country :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    I reckon DVS is advising ye that the DOJ and others look in here and organising this type of thing might be regarded as organised "target" shooting in an unauthorised place which is now outlawed by the new legislation.

    In the same way a Super used a video/s on U Tube to hassle some shooters elsewhere in the country :(

    Well why did he not say that!
    we are talking about hunting, But we will not use any vids.
    That is a good learning outcome from yourself.

    It is not illegal (yet) to go hunting on lands where one owns or has the permission to control vermin on.
    The reason we all have handles is because we are not named, nor are our locations
    Also we could all be lieing :D
    I once caught a Fish this big :D:D:D

    But thanks for the heads up!
    So guidelines laid out, No shooting targets unless on an authorised range, We may revert to rabbits :D


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