Ireland wants Turkey to Join the EU?

work

"Ireland wants Turkey to Join the EU". It is great that our president over in Turkey is able to give speeches on how Ireland completely supports Turkey joining the EU. My only concern is I do not support this.

Anyway I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this:
Do you support Turkey joining the Eu?

oppenheimer1

work wrote: »

"Ireland wants Turkey to Join the EU". It is great that our president over in Turkey is able to give speeches on how Ireland completely supports Turkey joining the EU. My only concern is I do not support this.

Anyway I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this:
Do you support Turkey joining the Eu?

Why do you not support it?

I don't really think Ireland actully wholeheartedly supports membership for Turkey, however membership isn't a realistic prospect in the near future so we can say we are for it without much consequence. That and it gains favour from the americans.

Andrew33

work wrote: »

"Ireland wants Turkey to Join the EU". It is great that our president over in Turkey is able to give speeches on how Ireland completely supports Turkey joining the EU. My only concern is I do not support this.

Anyway I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on this:
Do you support Turkey joining the Eu?

Absolutely no way!
Too many human rights issues, too many womens rights issues(I don't mean that to sound like women aren't human, they kinda are sometimes) Their thinking and culture is not and will never be European.
This is simply about enlargement of the EU, not enrichment.

work

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Why do you not support it?

I don't really think Ireland actully wholeheartedly supports membership for Turkey, however membership isn't a realistic prospect in the near future so we can say we are for it without much consequence. That and it gains favour from the americans.

My point here is our president is representing the country and I seriously doubt anything close to a majority of irish support Turkish accession. The objective of this thread is to see where the populations thoughts lie.

granite man

Simple no. We've all seen the difficulties mass immigration from Eastern Europe has already caused here, why open our borders to countless millions from a culture that is completely alien to our own, where people would gladly work on the black market for way below the official minimum wage( and yet again send the proceeds back to their home country where the cost of living is well below the levels here) and yet again take jobs that Irish people with huge mortgages and debt to pay off would be happy to do in these times. This only benefits big business, the exploiters and profiteers, not the European working people and not the Turkish worker.
Whoever is advocating this is off their heads and would be quite happy to see Ireland being brought back to a feudal existance(circa Ireland pre 1880). And you could also guarantee it wouldn't so much affect the people at the top, just the bottom rung which time and time again our dear lords and ladies at the top have proved they don't care a bollix about.
Wake up to your Turkish coffee, its grainy and unpleasant, as is the future that they are doing their very best to impose on us.

Mr. SS

Its good to see people on boards who are not hypnotised by the multi-culti brigade.

Turkey is incompatible with our society, end of. and as it is the most liberal of all muslim states, this should send a message to people who even consider doing/supporting business in the middle east, we should not be doing it. we are betraying the foundations of our society to do so.

Tristram

Mr. SS wrote: »

Turkey is incompatible with our society, end of.

My main concern also. I would be opposed to Turkey joining. Though I think I'd be opposed to any further enlargement at the moment.

seanybiker

Tristram wrote: »

My main concern also. I would be opposed to Turkey joining. Though I think I'd be opposed to any further enlargement at the moment.

+1 There is enough already. Why bring more in.

kuntboy

Don't forget the porous borders Turkey shares with Iraq, Syria, Armenia, Georgia, Iran. We would be swamped. Of course some moron who thinks he's hilarious will be along in a minute to say "dey tuk ur jubs". Yeah, that's right d1ckhead, they WILL take your "jub", permanently. And where will you be then, eh? eh?

sirromo

work wrote: »

Do you support Turkey joining the Eu?

No

celticbest

No, no, no and no again.

Turkey is not European. There is only about 5% of Turkey in Europe the rest is in Asia.

Mr. SS wrote: »

Turkey is incompatible with our society, end of. and as it is the most liberal of all muslim states, this should send a message to people who even consider doing/supporting business in the middle east, we should not be doing it. we are betraying the foundations of our society to do so.

I whole heartily agree with you on this Mr. SS

strathspey

I don't think Ireland's opinion really matters in this case. The paymasters, like Germany, France and the northern Europeans will decide if Turkey joins or not!

old hippy

Andrew33 wrote: »

Their thinking and culture is not and will never be European.
This is simply about enlargement of the EU, not enrichment.

Is European culture superior? Do you not think other cultures can enrich? Maybe learn things from each other?

sirromo

old hippy wrote: »

Is European culture superior?

Yes

problemchimp

I've yet to hear a convincing argument here so far. Not compatible with our culture? says who? they have human rights issues? have a look at the Romanian orphanages. Turkey as a trading partner would be worth 100 times more than Bulgaria to us. Also Turkey is a secular state so no Muslim influence there. Get real people, it's about economics. So what if it is partly in Aisa, Serbia is in Europe, waged ethnic cleansing on a minority and are looking to join also. Would you have them?

problemchimp

Mr. SS wrote: »

Its good to see people on boards who are not hypnotised by the multi-culti brigade.

Turkey is incompatible with our society, end of. and as it is the most liberal of all muslim states, this should send a message to people who even consider doing/supporting business in the middle east, we should not be doing it. we are betraying the foundations of our society to do so.

Turkey is not in the middle east.

mullingar

Im sure if Turkey was going to be accepted into the EU, there will be a clause of handing back north Cyprus back to the Cypriot people.

Off topic....
Whats going to happen to the people who 'claim' to own property in Turkish occupied North Cyprus when the original owner/family re-claims??

Cool Mo D

If Turkey shouldn't be allowed because it is only 5% European, why should Cyprus have been allowed in? Cyprus isn't in Europe at all.

And Turkey is no more a Muslim state then France is a Catholic state.

Scofflaw

mullingar wrote: »

Im sure if Turkey was going to be accepted into the EU, there will be a clause of handing back north Cyprus back to the Cypriot people.

That will have to happen before Turkey can accede at all - currently, Cyprus have blocked discussion of some of the accession "chapters" (ie, what needs to be decided before accession is even possible). Last time I looked, 8 out of the 35 chapters were blocked by Cyprus, but they'd failed to block the Environment Chapter:

Cyprus on Tuesday failed to block the opening of the environment chapter in EU-Turkey negotiations, but said it would set new hurdles in other areas.

Coming out of the talks, Cypriot foreign minister Markos Kyprianou, a former EU commissioner until last year, said his country did not oppose the move but would in future veto talks in six other areas: labour mobility, fundamental rights, justice system, education, foreign policy and energy.

Out of the 35 negotiation chapters for EU accession, divided on specific areas such as transport or environment – eight are already blocked until Turkey recognises the borders of Cyprus and opens its ports and airports to vessels from this country.

Assuming Cyprus carries out its threat there, that would be 14 out of the 35 blocked, 1 complete, and 1 under discussion. Not exactly sprinting towards accession.

To be entirely honest, I'm not sure any EU country wants Turkey in the EU - however, the prospect of possible accession is the best way to keep Turkey doing what the EU wants. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ireland's "support" is more of the same - we're looking for new markets, after all.

cordially,
Scofflaw

View

mullingar wrote: »

Off topic....
Whats going to happen to the people who 'claim' to own property in Turkish occupied North Cyprus when the original owner/family re-claims??

They're scr*wed.

The ECJ (and also I think the ECHR) has ruled against comparable property owners. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8022238.stm

Cool Mo D

View wrote: »

They're scr*wed.

The ECJ (and also I think the ECHR) has ruled against comparable property owners. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8022238.stm

I'd imagine that settling this would be a fairly major part of any settlement reached.

dvpower

Andrew33 wrote: »

Absolutely no way!
Too many human rights issues, too many womens rights issues(I don't mean that to sound like women aren't human, they kinda are sometimes

This is an argument for Turkish entry; bringing human rights up to European standards is a prerequisite for EU entry.

Nuravictus

I think the point people make about turkey is that is very backward, like most people here wouldnt oppose Bosnia joining the EU even thou it has 2 and a half million muslims and is a muslim majority state. Thou Istanbul is the biggiest city in europe. that say i dont want Europe to be another America, I want a large muslim country to ensure the union doesnt do dumb stuff in the middle east.

Scofflaw

dvpower wrote: »

This is an argument for Turkish entry; bringing human rights up to European standards is a prerequisite for EU entry.

That assumes one actually cares about human rights in Turkey, as opposed to finding it a convenient justification for opposing Turkish entry.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Nuravictus

My main worry about turkey is that muslims will not integrate into our societies, every state with Muslim populations seem to have failed them and the muslims have failed to integrate, Pakistani in England, Algierians in France & Turks in Germany.

Thou I will presume turkey position and population will become important to europe at some point, considering Georgia, Azerbijan & Armenia all want to join Europe at somepoint we will need turkey to ensure we get our caspian sea oil.