Orange Order Instructs Its Members To Protest Against Popes Visit to UK.

Voltex

They reckon this protest is on biblical grounds. I think it smacks of sectarianism, and proves the view thats its a backward group of biggots.

Imagine if we Roman Catholics made the call that the chief Imam world wide was to be the subject of protests if he were ever to visit Ireland.....thered be an absolute s hitstorm.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0324/orange.html

starbelgrade

I don't think the pope would be all that welcome here either, considering recent events.

admiralofthefleet

fair play to them, i would be right behind them.

the leader of the worlds most dangerous and evil cult should be arrested and tried for covering up crimes against children

PirateShampoo

Of course they are protesting, he is the leader of a pedophile ring.

I find it funny you call them backwards biggots, but when it comes to them wanting to do a march in Dublin, the place gets wrecked.

Stargazer7

Sectarian or not, it's hilarious that they're using "biblical grounds" as the reason for protesting his visit...would the whole child abuse scandal not merit "unholy" grounds for them?

landsleaving

If their reason for protesting wasn't 'biblical' and was based on current events then I wouldn't complain, but one Christian belief protesting another seems fairly spiteful to me.

Degsy

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I find it funny you call them backwards biggots, but when it comes to them wanting to do a march in Dublin, the place gets wrecked.

They are bigots of the worst kind..a sect based on hatred for catholics.

PirateShampoo

Degsy wrote: »

They are bigots of the worst kind..a sect based on hatred for catholics.

There are biggots on both sides of that fence mate.

Voltex

thats not fair...outta respect...theres so many devout catholics in ireland who still look upon the Church in reverence...what was perpetraited by a tiny minority shouldnt be allowed destroy the beliefs of those that still hold thier faith in high esteem.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

who doesn't hate catholics, in this day and age

Fizman

Those bloody fruit flavoured chocolatey biscuity snacks.

Stargazer7

Voltex wrote: »

thats not fair...outta respect...theres so many devout catholics in ireland who still look upon the Church in reverence...what was perpetraited by a tiny minority shouldnt be allowed destroy the beliefs of those that still hold thier faith in high esteem.

I love this "tiny minority" malarkey....if we look at the figures was it really that tiny? Not only in Ireland but internationally?

Also, the issue is not with the faith or even the beliefs that the church holds, it is the failure of the church to address the hurt and suffering that they have caused and their general arrogance when it comes to moral authority.

Also, I agree with respect for everyone and a belief system...provided it doesn't hold prejudiced views on other people...let me see...the church has issues with Gay people, people who use contraception, have marriage out of wedlock, have abortions and generally anyone who decides to question what they are doing in any way.

Voltex

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Of course they are protesting, he is the leader of a pedophile ring.

I find it funny you call them backwards biggots, but when it comes to them wanting to do a march in Dublin, the place gets wrecked.

...yeah, by who??...a bunch of scumbag lowlifes who used that march as an excuse for runnin amok.

ScumLord

Voltex wrote: »

thats not fair...outta respect...theres so many devout catholics in ireland who still look upon the Church in reverence...what was perpetraited by a tiny minority shouldnt be allowed destroy the beliefs of those that still hold thier faith in high esteem.

Why should we? Their beliefs are crazy and damaging to society.

Fratton Fred

Voltex wrote: »

thats not fair...outta respect...theres so many devout catholics in ireland who still look upon the Church in reverence...what was perpetraited by a tiny minority shouldnt be allowed destroy the beliefs of those that still hold thier faith in high esteem.

there are suicide bombers who are convinced thee are 99 virgins waiting for them in paradise.

what's your point?

PirateShampoo

Voltex wrote: »

thats not fair...outta respect...theres so many devout catholics in ireland who still look upon the Church in reverence...what was perpetraited by a tiny minority shouldnt be allowed destroy the beliefs of those that still hold thier faith in high esteem.

Why do they have to pray to God through a middle man?

Want to rant about the Vatican but it will drag from ur topic.

The_Kew_Tour

The Orange Order and the Catholic Church are as backward as each other

PirateShampoo

Voltex wrote: »

...yeah, by who??...a bunch of scumbag lowlifes who used that march as an excuse for runnin amok.

So would they be biggots also?

Or can only prodys be biggots?

Voltex

Stargazer7 wrote: »

I love this "tiny minority" malarkey....if we look at the figures was it really that tiny? Not only in Ireland but internationally?

Also, the issue is not with the faith or even the beliefs that the church holds, it is the failure of the church to address the hurt and suffering that they have caused and their general arrogance when it comes to moral authority.

All I know is that there are people out there like my MIL and my grandfather who are church nuts...they go to mass every day and base their whole lives around the teachings of the church in order to live how jesus would have wanted...these are the scondary "victims" of the Murphy inquiry...people have forgotton about this group....yet still to this day they are un-wavering..they believe in their faith and truely believe that it was a minority committing the crimes.

ejmaztec

adrian280582 wrote: »

The Orange Order and the Catholic Church are as backward as each other

The Pope should make the head of the Orange Order an honorary archbishop.

Son Of A Vidic

If you ask me, I think Catholics should join the orange order in protest against any planned visit by the Pope. He have some cheek coming here after the wonderful legacy his church has left to this nation.

Degsy

Voltex wrote: »

All I know is that there are people out there like my MIL and my grandfather who are church nuts...they go to mass every day and base their whole lives around the teachings of the church in order to live how jesus would have wanted...these are the scondary "victims" of the Murphy inquiry...people have forgotton about this group....yet still to this day they are un-wavering..they believe in their faith and truely believe that it was a minority committing the crimes.

You see the real reason these people go to mass every day is because they're scared shiitless of spending eternity in hell.
In my experience a lot of fanatical churchgoers are hypocrites who live far from the teachings of thier faith.

Voltex

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So would they be biggots also?

Or can only prodys be biggots?

Those lowlifes arent part of an organised grouping who make claims to repersent a cross section of a regional society like in Northern Ireland.

RayM

It's a bit like shit protesting against shite.

PirateShampoo

Voltex wrote: »

All I know is that there are people out there like my MIL and my grandfather who are church nuts...they go to mass every day and base their whole lives around the teachings of the church in order to live how jesus would have wanted...these are the scondary "victims" of the Murphy inquiry...people have forgotton about this group....yet still to this day they are un-wavering..they believe in their faith and truely believe that it was a minority committing the crimes.

But its not a tiny minority is it.

Yes a a few preists rapped and abused the children, and then bishops hide the crime, and so on and so on. Right the way to the top to the Pope.

They might not of abused them kids but they are just as guilty.

Voltex

Degsy wrote: »

You see the real reason these people go to mass every day is because they're scared shiitless of spending eternity in hell.
In my experience a lot of fanatical churchgoers are hypocrites who live far from the teachings of thier faith.

LOL...this is my mother in Law and my grandad im talking about!!!!!!
hardly a Harold shipman or Mira Hindly!!!

Dudess

He's not talking about all of them...

I'm not a fan of the Orange Order, but it would be hypocritical of me to condemn it for this, given the many revelations not just of recent months, but over the past 15-ish years. Plus, the spokesperson said it's not a go at practising catholics but at the pope and the institution that is the catholic church.
I suspect any outrage over this down here among non practising catholics (and indeed critics of the catholic church) is more to do with this being a protest by loyalists against the head of the church that the majority of Irish people are members of, rather than a general objection to sectarianism. I doubt there'd be an issue with, for example, protests by Zionist groups against the pope paying a visit to Tel Aviv.

landsleaving

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But its not a tiny minority is it.

Yes a a few preists rapped and abused the children, and then bishops hide the crime, and so on and so on. Right the way to the top to the Pope.

They might not of abused them kids but they are just as guilty.

Yo, check ya spellin' homie!

Word to da pope.

Stargazer7

Voltex wrote: »

All I know is that there are people out there like my MIL and my grandfather who are church nuts...they go to mass every day and base their whole lives around the teachings of the church in order to live how jesus would have wanted...these are the scondary "victims" of the Murphy inquiry...people have forgotton about this group....yet still to this day they are un-wavering..they believe in their faith and truely believe that it was a minority committing the crimes.

To call them victims is quite over the top IMHO. Yes, I understand where you are coming from but it isn't up to the rest of us to make it up to these followers, that is the church's job. And so far they have done nothing really to redeem themselves in this mess. And while they may be unwavering and have a belief that it was just a small few, they may have to step out of the comfort zone of the church teaching and actually question things. I doubt it would do them any harm. Most of us have to do it on a daily basis on other things, why should religious followers be exempt from this?

starbelgrade

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But its not a tiny minority is it.

Yes a a few preists rapped and abused the children, and then bishops hide the crime, and so on and so on. Right the way to the top to the Pope.

They might not of abused them kids but they are just as guilty.

Was that the The Fun Loving Cardinals?

ScumLord

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But its not a tiny minority is it.

Yes a a few preists rapped and abused the children, and then bishops hide the crime, and so on and so on. Right the way to the top to the Pope.

The thing is the child abuse is just the tip of the iceberg it's the worst thing they've done (recently). It's the most recent in a long line of disgusting atrocity's the church has committed. They've been destroying people lives throughout recorded history, what about all the single mothers they turned into slaves? What about the children that escaped sexual abuse but got daily physical abuse from priests and nun's. The whole organisation breeds horrible people.

Voltex

Stargazer7 wrote: »

To call them victims is quite over the top IMHO. Yes, I understand where you are coming from but it isn't up to the rest of us to make it up to these followers, that is the church's job. And so far they have done nothing really to redeem themselves in this mess. And while they may be unwavering and have a belief that it was just a small few, they may have to step out of the comfort zone of the church teaching and actually question things. I doubt it would do them any harm. Most of us have to do it on a daily basis on other things, why should religious followers be exempt from this?

TBH...you have to know a person like my MIL and GD and how they go on to really understand the hurt and anguish they are feeling at the thoughts of the obvious betrayal and deceit that occured...

Anyway..i think we're off topic here. the thread was about the views held by the O.O under "biblical terms", that any visit by the head of the Catholic Church, should be protested against!!!!

dsmythy

Voltex wrote: »

Imagine if we Roman Catholics made the call that the chief Imam world wide was to be the subject of protests if he were ever to visit Ireland.....thered be an absolute s hitstorm.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0324/orange.html

Heads would roll alright...

guinnessdrinker

Should we be surprised that the Orange Order is protesting the Popes visit to the UK at the end of the day?

"Orange Order welcomes the Pope" would make bigger headlines I'm sure!

ScumLord

Voltex wrote: »

TBH...you have to know a person like my MIL ...

You should really put in the "F" when you leave it hanging like that good knows what you want to do to her.

dsmythy

I can hear an angry Rebelheart writing his reply to this one.

Stargazer7

Voltex wrote: »

TBH...you have to know a person like my MIL and GD and how they go on to really understand the hurt and anguish they are feeling at the thoughts of the obvious betrayal and deceit that occured...

Anyway..i think we're off topic here. the thread was about the views held by the O.O under "biblical terms", that any visit by the head of the Catholic Church, should be protested against!!!!

My Grandmother was the same and my mum would be to a certain extent. While she finds the atrocities committed appalling she still cringes at criticism of the church. I know for older people it is a comfort to them and trying to convince them otherwise at this stage of their lives is probably going to cause more hurt than it's worth.

However, if we keep this view for everyone then nothing's every going to change. We have to start somewhere, not continue the mindless following of what the church says regardless of how horrific their actions are.

But yes, it is a bit OT. Though like I said, the O.O. have their priorities all wrong IMO, clinging on to ancient beliefs and reasons to cause conflict rather than addressing the real issues.

Nodin

Voltex wrote: »

They reckon this protest is on biblical grounds. I think it smacks of sectarianism, and proves the view thats its a backward group of biggots.

They may be a backward group of bigots, but they're entitled to protest, even if it is for some 16th century hocus pocus reason.

They can have a nice joint protest on the same day as the gays.

Stargazer7

dsmythy wrote: »

Heads would roll alright...

Of course, because while it is frowned upon to criticize any religion, regardless of how merited it is, Islam mustn't be even mentioned of threats of violence will be used. And people still wonder why atheists and agnostics are so pIssed off at the position of religion on our society.

Bigdeadlydave

medicman2009 wrote: »

If you ask me, I think Catholics should join the orange order in protest against any planned visit by the Pope. He have some cheek coming here after the wonderful legacy his church has left to this nation.

That is quite simply the most retarded thing I have read on boards.

m@cc@

Who gives a hoot what their protesting against? They're like a senile oul grandpa, let them batter away if it keeps them happy.

ejmaztec

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

That is quite simply the most retarded thing I have read on boards.

No, it's a brilliant idea, 2 million Catholics join the Orange Order, then vote to disband it.

K-9

I've friends who are members of the Orange Order and they scoff at this, just as much as AH does.

Nulty

It's almost akin to school rivalry. People in the real world are looking on thinking

"What does this have to do with anything that matters in the real world?"

And they'd be right.

I find ignoring a problem makes it go away.

*Or maybe....someones else deals with it....no...don't ruin the bliss.*

starbelgrade

K-9 wrote: »

I've friends who are members of the Orange Order and they scoff at this, just as much as AH does.

Only the D4 AH-ers scoff at it. The rest of us just dissaprove.

Bluebell35

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

That is quite simply the most retarded thing I have read on boards.

+1 seriously

K-9

starbelgrade wrote: »

Only the D4 AH-ers scoff at it. The rest of us just dissaprove.

Exactly, it doesn't matter to them what the heads of the Orange Order thinks. They are out of touch.

Zebra3

Will the OO be protesting that the pope of the day backed their beloved King Billy in the Battle of the Boyne? :rolleyes:

PS:FTP.

galwayrush

Are the Orange Order marching in support of their Catholic fellow countrymen who suffered because of clerical abuse? Amazing coming together then.:p

galwayrush

K-9 wrote: »

Exactly, it doesn't matter to them what the heads of the Orange Order thinks. They are out of touch.

Sadly, too many Catholic Clergy were too much in touch over the years.:rolleyes:

stovelid

Bigots vs paedos.

Put them in a cock-fighting ring and it would be the basis of a good reality show.