The most irrational posters on boards.ie

Tim Robbins

Ok this is meant to be a bit of fun. So we're atheists we think we are rational. We think people who have religious views have non - rational (to some extent) views. However, in my own case I find some other life views even more irrational.

For example, the No voters to the Lisbon treaty. We covered this around the time of the referenda. Now I am thinking militant civil service thinking people who thinks theat a democractically elected government can't make fiscal decisions that none of us really like are even more head recking.

Here's a sample of some the nonsense you'll here:

"We didn't cause this mess so why should we be the only ones who have to pay for it?"

Anytime you make a comparison between public and private sector:

"The media are trying to play the public sector and private sector off against each other, don't buy that"

One lady on Vincent Browne said:

"I'm sick of everyone thinking I have it easy because I am in the public service. My husband used to work in the private sector and he was made redundant so I don't have it easy".

And what about:

"Oh they're complaining they can't their passports were these the same people who said the public service didn't do anything?"

And don't forget:

"People on 30K a year shouldn't get their salary cut."

But they'll omit:
1. But people on similar jobs in the private sector wouldn't even get that and you certainly wouldn't get a whopping pension.
2. Similar civil service jobs in other EU states would not pay that.
3. Many people on 30K a year are on 3 days weeks.
4. Many people on 30K a year get huge overtime and expensives. This is one reason why the fiasco in the passport office has happened because they have stopped doing overtime.
5. We have had deflation the last year and half.
6. 30K a year is still three times what you get on the dole.
7. If you think you are worth more money than what your employer pays you then go out and get another job. That's the way the entire private sector works.
8. 400,000 people are unemployed right now, most of whom would take a 30K year job.
9. You get superb job security in the public service. Even if you get laid off, you'll get a whopping redundancy.

strobe

I knew this guy once who thought that the most logical place to try to point out the hypocrisy of some civil servants was a forum about Atheism and Agnosticism.....talk about irrational.

Tim Robbins

strobe wrote: »

I knew this guy once who thought that the most logical place to try to point out the hypocrisy of some civil servants was a forum about Atheism and Agnosticism.....talk about irrational.

I did say it was a bit of fun.

achtungbarry

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I did say it was a bit of fun.

Bollocks it is !

It's a snide and thinly veiled attempt to have a go at a particular group under the guise of "a bit of fun" about irrationality.

Take to the Irish Economy forum:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1196

It has no place here. This is a forum for discussing atheism and agnosticism not a soapbox for people to have a go at particular group of people (rightly or wrongly) over issues that have nothing at all to do with atheism or agnosticism.

And yes I am a public servant. I earn 26k. I know I am damn lucky to have a job but I make no apologies for it. I chose to get a job in the public sector partly for the job security it provided. again I make no apologies for making a sensible decision. I work hard and provide a quality service.

I was always prepared to do my bit in terms of pay cuts and I think the work to rule nonsense is just that, nonsense.

I would love for the dead wood in the PS to be sacked. They give me a bad name.

But for crying out loud, I as a PS am critisized on the telly, the radio, all over the media, in pubs etc and fair enough, I don't really have a problem with it. Everyone is perfectly entitled to their opinion. This is a democracy with free speech (unless it's blasphemous apparently).

But to get it on the A & A forum.......

C'mon !


You might has well have posted it in the Mustard forum for all the sense it makes in the A and A forum.

Talk about irrationality...... :pac:


PS.. yes there is a mustard forum :eek:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=457

Zombrex

Er, that guy ^^^

Tim Robbins

achtungbarry wrote: »

Bollocks it is !

It's a snide and thinly veiled attempt to have a go at a particular group under the guise of "a bit of fun" about irrationality.

Maybe this is your chance to argue the case rationally :-)

There are threads here about topical issues. Some good ones about the Lisbon treaty and this is just as topical right now.

Sam Vimes

achtungbarry wrote: »

I was always prepared to do my bit in terms of pay cuts and I think the work to rule nonsense is just that, nonsense.
I would love for the dead wood in the PS to be sacked. They give me a bad name.

well then I don't think the thread is directed at you. It's directed at people who say things like "I didn't cause the recession" as if that magically creates the extra 20 billion in revenue we need. Rather than taking it personally you should join us in criticising those colleagues that are giving you such a bad name and then maybe something will be done about it

Stercus Accidit

Threads on speaking to god with a very theist flavor, threads on the public service, should I have started my thread on Prague versus Amsterdam here too?

I can see the benefits of getting such rational opinions, but I don't know, it is A&A rather than A&A&AH....isn't it? :pac:

Blackhorse Slim

This isn't relevent to a&a - unless the answer to "most irrational poster.." is god?

iUseVi

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Threads on speaking to god with a very theist flavor, threads on the public service, should I have started my thread on Prague versus Amsterdam here too?

I can see the benefits of getting such rational opinions, but I don't know, it is A&A rather than A&A&AH....isn't it? :pac:

It is bit like that sometimes, but actually thats why I like it. But I agree there should at least be a tenuous link between A&A and the topic, which is entirely lacking in this thread. (I'm probably just as bad for starting the vegetarian thread there a while ago, but at least I attached a poll :P)

Tim Robbins

iUseVi wrote: »

It is bit like that sometimes, but actually thats why I like it. But I agree there should at least be a tenuous link between A&A and the topic, which is entirely lacking in this thread. (I'm probably just as bad for starting the vegetarian thread there a while ago, but at least I attached a poll :P)

The link is how a human defends something irrationally and cannot differentiate between rational and non-rational arguments especially under emotive issues.

It's just as relevant to A&A as the Lisbon treaty was and we had several interesting discussions on that. Regular posters here should be allowed to discuss topical issues.

achtungbarry

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Maybe this is your chance to argue the case rationally :-)

There are threads here about topical issues. Some good ones about the Lisbon treaty and this is just as topical right now.

Would love to but on the Irish economy forum where this belongs.

Sam Vimes wrote: »

well then I don't think the thread is directed at you. It's directed at people who say things like "I didn't cause the recession" as if that magically creates the extra 20 billion in revenue we need. Rather than taking it personally you should join us in criticising those colleagues that are giving you such a bad name and then maybe something will be done about it

I completely appreciate what you are saying here but is the A and A forum really the place for it ?


My point is that the A and A forum is not the place for this and trying to dress it up as a humourous take on irrationality is just a bit dishonest in my opinion.

I guess us atheists can be intellectually dishonest too

and talk about quote mining in the OP :pac:

Have a go at public servants. Goodness knows many many of my PS "colleagues" deserve it but please not on the A and A forum.

But at the very least, if you really must post this here, have the honesty to say you have a gripe with public servants (you have every right to) and then give your reasons.

Don't pretend that it is something else.

You start a post about "irrational posters" and then every single point you make is a critisizm of the public service. Don't tell ,there wasn't an agenda there.

I have far more respect for people who can critisize directly without dressing it up as something that is not. People on the A and A tend to be good at seeing through BS.

Please let me have one place where I can leave off the flame proof jacket.

cavedave

What is the most religious belief you've seen in another forum?
Here are some I have seen

"you can kill a man from 100 meters with mind bullets", Many old school martial artists seem to think there leader has superpowers. Some effectively act like a cult.

"Guinness has magical powers. It is some sort of mystical ambrosia of the gods that gives nationalistic superpowers". It is actually a multinational conglomorate produced beverage that has all the traditional craft of anadin.

"Nuclear power is evil, im not listening, im not listening", On the green forum.

"Global warming doesnt exist and i have one tiny bit of evidence that proves this", again on the green forum.

"No one takes performance enhancing drugs in my sport".

The supernatural forum is effectively a religious forum so that doesn't count.

Max Power1

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

This isn't relevent to a&a - unless the answer to "most irrational poster.." is god?

It could be!

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=34054

Sam Vimes

achtungbarry wrote: »

You start a post about "irrational posters" and then every single point you make is a critisizm of the public service. Don't tell ,there wasn't an agenda there.

In fairness he asked for a thread about irrational people since rationality is prized so highly here and the example he gave was the public sector. I'll tell you what, I'll have a gripe about some other group of irrationalists that annoy me if that helps :P

Homoeopathy irritates the crap out of me. It's supplied on the NHS in England and is* stocked by boots but it's just water and placebo pills. It's based on the idea that if a particular substance is bad for you then the same substance in very diluted quantities will cure whatever the undiluted substance causes. A load of nonsense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqQ_n2vOOI

*or was. I think they stopped recently after a protest where a load of people bought homoeopathic remedies in boots and overdosed on them in front of the store to show that nothing would happen to them

Ickle Magoo

People who moan about the current state of things and then go on to admit they never vote...they're pretty irrational.

Or the people that were arguing that people shouldn't have to sit driving tests while agreeing there were too many deaths on the roads...

Wacker

Am I the only the one who is shocked that JC has not been mentioned yet?!?!!!! :eek:

Sam Vimes

Wacker wrote: »

Am I the only the one who is shocked that JC has not been mentioned yet?!?!!!! :eek:

Shhhhhhh! Not mentioning him is part of the atheist conspiracy :eek::pac::cool:

Plowman

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Dr Pepper

Max Power1 wrote: »

It could be!

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=34054

From that page : God Himself has not made any friends yet

Tomk1

Jobee Jobee Jobee, if you never came acroos him your lucky.

Herbal Deity

strobe

Ahh god bless my little cotton socks but I still love a good cat picture.