Ban smoking in cars?

OutlawPete

Doctors in the UK have called for a ban on smoking in cars.

Would you support a ban here?

Smoking should be banned in all cars as well as in public places where young people congregate, doctors are urging.

The Royal College of Physicians wants England's imminent review of anti-smoking laws to consider such measures to protect the young.

It says passive smoking results in 300,000 extra child visits to GPs in the UK every year for problems such as asthma and bacterial meningitis.

But driving and smoking lobby groups say cars are a "private space".

Source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfTNUO_hHg

WIZE

Only if children are also in the car

No

But personally I would not smoke when Children are in the car

The Aussie

They can smoke their heads off if they like, my main gripe with people smoking in cars is when the f*^king grubs flick their butts out the window, filthy c^nts...

jd007

Only if children are also in the car

Shouldn't really smoke around kids anywhere I suppose. Don't really see anything wrong with smoking while driving though.

Littleblondehen

Most Haunted wrote: »

No

But personally I would not smoke when Children are in the car

Same.

I actually don't like smoking in cars, but if other people want to do it that's fine. It's their car!

littlefriend

Smoking in cars is sick!

Schism

Only if children are also in the car

That's pretty ridiculous, I mean people's cars? Don't get me wrong here I'm generally all for various and frivilous smoking bans (don't smoke myself, never have) but this is silly.

Take this

"Parents have a responsibility to protect their children by stopping smoking around them in enclosed spaces like their cars and in their homes."

Ok, they've got a responsibility very true, that shouldn't have to be enforced by a law though.

It also doesn't say anything about being alone in the car, how do you enforce a law designed to protect others on someone completely isolated?

Xluna

Only if children are also in the car

Oh ffs! Give the anti smoking obsession a rest you anal retentive nazis.:cool:

Xavi6

Xluna wrote: »

Oh ffs! Give the anti smoking obsession a rest you anal retentive nazis.:cool:

Someone needs a smoke

conorhal

Can it really be that long before the government solves the unelployment crisis by ensuring everybody gets their own personal health and safty officer to walk behind them with a megaphone and a flashing beacon on their head shouting "CAREFUL NOW!" every time they deem you to be doing something hazardous?

"YOU'RE LESS THAN 5 FEET FROM THE KERB!"


Sick of this nanny state. And sick of hte lemming like rush to emulate every crappy policy that the UK enacts.

lugha

Down with smoking! Only bad people like Mel Gibson and Hitler smoke.

biko

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A number of medical bodies have supported a ban on smoking in cars transporting children, but the RCP goes a significant step further, urging a blanket ban on anyone lighting up in a vehicle - regardless of whether children or indeed any other passengers are inside.

Feck off :mad: Next they'll be banning smoking indoors "to protect the children" even if you live alone.

bp1989

It's not really fair, a car is a person's own property, they should be entitled to smoke there if they please.

I do find it annoying though when it's fcuking freezing out and someone lights up a cigarette and opens the window...they fuel their addiction while I freeze my ass off...

Only if children are also in the car

Anyone who smokes in their cars in the first place is a bit of a tit.. Yellow ceiling and stinkin cloth for when ya sell it.
Shouldn't be banned though, I want to be allowed to do it even if I don't agree with smoking around kids. I'm still alive nd my brother did it in his car wit me when I was young.

Karl Hungus

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I consider myself pretty against smoking in general, but I think this is a little too far. A complete ban on smoking in cars is retarded. I generally appreciate if someone doesn't smoke if I'm sharing a car with them, but for someone on their own in the privacy of their own car? Why would anyone really care.

Jordan Berbatov

No

this is what happens when yo smoke in the car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWm0MbNaz-8

cynder

No

Just to say both my parents smoked at home and in the car up until I was 10. I'm now 30 and no effect on me. Idont smoke either. Also my husbands family don't smoke and never did yet he got cancer at 28 and had bad asthma since the age of 3.

Yawns

No

second hand smoke?

Just cause he didn't smoke, when those around him did, he did.

draward

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I thhink radon gas is the second major source of lung cancer
and i was in hospital the orther day 5 doctors were out side smoking and the ambluance driver in the ambluance. me i am almost a year of them now.

Wibbs

Only if children are also in the car

"It says passive smoking results in 300,000 extra child visits to GPs in the UK every year for problems such as asthma and bacterial meningitis." I smell some figures being pulled out of arses here. Now asthma I can understand though the rate of same has increased among the population while smoking rates and public smoking have gone down. But yes asthma, grand and perfectly understandable, but how the hell does passive smoking affect the rates of bacterial meningitis? No seriously I'd love to know that one. I smell tenuous link again. Parents who smoke = higher rates of meningitis in their kids = passive smoke is a causative factor. Dont bother adjusting the figures for low income families with shíte diets and hygiene who are more likely to be smokers.

Id love to see the source for their figures too. Do hospital admittance sheets ask whether the person has been exposed to passive smoking in the last 12 hours? In a car?

Smoking around kids is bad. And bad manners in general so nope to that, but this nanny bollox? No. Feck off.

seamus

Wibbs wrote: »

how the hell does passive smoking affect the rates of bacterial meningitis? No seriously I'd love to know that one. I smell tenuous link again. Parents who smoke = higher rates of meningitis in their kids = passive smoke is a causative factor. Dont bother adjusting the figures for low income families with shíte diets and hygiene who are more likely to be smokers.

Taking a rough guess, since smokers are more susceptible to lung infections, then it stands to reason that passive smokers, and children of heavy smokers in particular are also more susceptible to lung diseases than other children. If bacterial meningitis is spread through the air (is it?), then a child of smoking parents is more likely to contract the disease if exposed to it.

Certain forms of bacterial meningitis can also be linked to tuberculosis, which by inference children of smoking parents are more susceptible to.

I'm not explaining anything, just taking a logical stab at it.

Banning smoking in cars is one step away from outlawing cigarettes completely.

Not an entirely bad thing IMO, but we would be losing a valuable funding resource which I'm more than happy to allow idiots to provide us with in exchange for their short-term pleasure. I would support a complete ban on cigarettes, but if they're legal then you should be permitted to smoke them in private all you wish. A car is a private place under Irish law.

jayteecork

this will never ever happen, because your car is your own space, your private property.

It's not a public area, if people don't want to get into your car because of smoke then good luck to them. Don't get in.

I find that cars are smoke free anyway because once you have a window open even a little bit the vacumm sucks the smoke right out.

lugha

Wibbs wrote: »

Smoking around kids is bad. And bad manners in general so nope to that, but this nanny bollox? No. Feck off.

I think that’s a fair enough take on it. And the bit about it being bad manners is almost invariable lost on smokers. The response, if any, to complaints about pub smoking (pre-ban) that smoking is rather unpleasant for non-smokers and unkind to clothes is that we could all just stay at home if we didn’t like it.
I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a smoking in cars ban, but on (spurious?) safety rather than health grounds. i.e. You need two hands to control a car.

deadhead13

It is already banned here if it is a company car.

ScumLord

I'd like to see them try and stop me smoking without getting run over.

This is daft, the government should just **** off. The government in the UK has gone mad over health and safety there's no place they won't stick they're oar in with stupid suggestions. I really hope Ireland stops blindly following the UK.

funk-you

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deadhead13 wrote: »

It is already ban here if it is a company car.

Not enforced in any company car i've ever had. A chuckle usually goes around the room at the H&S day when it's mentioned.

I can understand these laws if there is someone in the car who doesn't smoke. Thats fine, you don't smoke and you don't want to breath it...cool. But if i'm on my own in the car go fuck yourself. Just like if i'm outside in the open or in my own home.

I've no problem with not smoking in places of work etc. In fact it's a good way of filtering out the nerds from the sound people. The nerds'll usually be sitting inside smelling eachothers power while everyone else is out having a laugh.

-Funk

pickarooney

Magnus wrote: »

A number of medical bodies have supported a ban on smoking in cars transporting children, but the RCP goes a significant step further, urging a blanket ban on anyone lighting up in a vehicle - regardless of whether children or indeed any other passengers are inside.

In fairness, those things can catch fire very quickly if they're not up to ISO norms.

dublin 16 lad

Only if children are also in the car

I don't smoke but that proposal is absolutely moronic. How can someone tell other people who paid money for a car not to smoke in it. Ridiculous

If there are kids in the car at the time, fair enough you shouldn't be allowed but otherwise Fook off!

Viper_JB

Only if children are also in the car

Tis a bit mad to outlaw this stuff, espically where "young people gather" trying to turn themselves into a mini america in england or something? I'd like to hear from someone who supports this as it is a close poll and mojority of posters so far are against.

Smoking in cars isn't dangerous it's trying to light the ciggie that can be a bit dodgy....trying to write that into law though crazy nannyism, they won't be happy till everyone in the country is a criminal.

LizT

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I think it would be to hard to enforce this law, everyone would be going for a quick smoke in the car and taking a chance, like a lot of people do with mobile phones.

ScumLord

funk-you wrote: »

I can understand these laws if there is someone in the car who doesn't smoke. Thats fine, you don't smoke and you don't want to breath it...cool. But if i'm on my own in the car go fuck yourself.

Imagine stopping to pick up a hitchhiker only for the bastard to tell you to put out the cigarette, you have to run people like that over.

My name is URL

Only if children are also in the car

They should build smoking lanes so that the non-smokers have less plebs in front of them and can hurl holier-than-thou comments towards the smokers as they pass.. while on the phone with 3 kids in the back

funk-you

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ScumLord wrote: »

Imagine stopping to pick up a hitchhiker only for the bastard to tell you to put out the cigarette, you have to run people like that over.

There's your first mistake.

-Funk

Jaxxy

Only if children are also in the car

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Your car is your private property. You bought it, therefore it is yours and you can do whatever you bloody well want with or in it.

Scratch your arse, pick your nose, have a cigarette. Why the hell should anyone care if you're smoking in your car as you pull up beside them in traffic? And as long as these people aren't smoking in the general vicinity of YOUR children, what's the big swinging mickey!?

The world has gone mad. Well not all of the world, you can smoke on TRAINS in Germany. They're so civilised.

ScumLord

funk-you wrote: »

There's your first mistake.

-Funk

I was on my way to cut wood, I thought god was just being helpful.

My name is URL wrote: »

They should build smoking lanes so that the non-smokers have less plebs in front of them and can hurl holier-than-thou comments towards the smokers as they pass.. while on the phone with 3 kids in the back

You can be guaranteed the smokers lane be the fast one, don't need to worry about dieing of speeding like they say happens in the add.

OutlawPete

Anyone ever been in a Taxi that let you light up a cigarette or indeed, asked you if they could light one up?

Just mentioning this as smoking in Taxis seems to be non-existent as it's a 'workplace'.

hitlersson666

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lugha wrote: »

Down with smoking! Only bad people like Mel Gibson and Hitler smoke.

*cough* :cool:

Wibbs

Only if children are also in the car

And Hitler was a big advocate of anti smoking. introduced smoking bans for ze germans and banned it in his presence.

hitlersson666

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Good boy wibbs *pats his head*


See were not that bad

Herb Powell

how the hell do they propose to enforce this?
stupid law is stupid

OutlawPete

Added a video to the OP that says passive smoking cause 40 sudden infant deaths each year in the UK.

I find that hard to believe.

__________

Herb Powell wrote: »

how the hell do they propose to enforce this?
stupid law is stupid

Enforcing it isn't the problem, could be enforced the same way they catch drivers talking on mobile phones.

What I'd be more worried about is people pulling into hard shoulders to stop and have a cigarette , if this law comes in. Several people have been killed or seriously injured for stopping in hard shoulders to make a phone call already.

Here's just one example of the danger of sitting in a parked car in the hard shoulder: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/undertaker-71-gets-two-years-for-causing-crash-that-killed-teen-2057968.html

And another: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0315/1224266293940.html

Both of those deaths can be directly attributed to the mobile phone ban.

Xluna

Only if children are also in the car

Wibbs wrote: »

And Hitler was a big advocate of anti smoking. introduced smoking bans for ze germans and banned it in his presence.

Also a vegatarian,animal lover and I believe he abstained from alcohol.

orourkeda

No

Ban smoking everywhere

Spoonless Eddie

orourkeda wrote: »

Ban smoking everywhere

Yes. Everywhere. There is no sense in dragging this out any further. Let us be done with it.

we'llallhavetea_old

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lugha wrote: »

You need two hands to control a car.

thats like saying you shouldn't open a window or change the radio station in your car because "you need two hands to control a car".

lugha

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

thats like saying you shouldn't open a window or change the radio station in your car because "you need two hands to control a car".

It would be kinda similar to using a phone in that you don't have full use of your hand for a prolonged period. I don't think it would be a compelling reason (a phone is of course a a much greater hazard) but then I didn't think that passive smoking is a health hazard was a very good reason to ban smoking indoors in public buildings. If they wanted an excuse to introduce such a law, that might well do.

lugha

hitlersson666 wrote: »

Good boy wibbs *pats his head*

See were not that bad

Well you would stand up for daddy, wouldn't you? :P

I think 'aul Adolf did have a few puffs in his earlier years. I guess the withdrawal symptoms might have taken a heavier toll on him than most. :pac:

aDeener

No

The Aussie wrote: »

They can smoke their heads off if they like, my main gripe with people smoking in cars is when the f*^king grubs flick their butts out the window, filthy c^nts...

thats your main gripe??? surely its worse that they arent giving the road full attention

Hank_Jones

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I don't smoke, but they've got to be kidding.
You can't force somebody to not smoke in their own personal property.
If I go out and buy a car, my car, I certainly want to have the choice to smoke in it.
Fcuking crazy.
Next thing you know we won't be allowed to drive drunk or drugged up...





*That last bit was a joke, I'm serious about the rest though.*

Thomas828

Only if children are also in the car

Ban smoking in cars? Stuff that! We should ban cars themselves. The guff from car exhaust is far worse than cigarette smoke. If you find yourself on the Marylebone Road in London or Great Victoria Street in Belfast at the rush hour (when the traffic crawls along at a snail's pace) you'll know what I mean.