Are we heading for anarchy by default?

peasant

The pillars of the community are shaking.

The local TD is most likely a money grabbing hyppocrite, useless at best
The local priest, even if he is a decent man, belongs to a soulless organisation
The local bank manager ..well, the less said, the better
The local garda is not contactable because he left his (private) mobile at home and any other public servant won't answer their landline.

Everyone for themselves, or so it seems.

Iwasfrozen

peasant wrote: »

The pillars of the community are shaking.

The local TD is most likely a money grabbing hyppocrite, useless at best
The local priest, even if he is a decent man, belongs to a soulless organisation
The local bank manager ..well, the less said, the better
The local garda is not contactable because he left his (private) mobile at home and any other public servant won't answer their landline.

Everyone for themselves, or so it seems.

That is not anarchy.

peasant

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That is not anarchy.

No, but a power vacuum in the making.

To be filled with .....?

Iwasfrozen

peasant wrote: »

No, but a power vacuum in the making.

To be filled with .....?

Nothing, as this sort of thing has been happening for years.

peasant

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

... this sort of thing has been happening for years.

There is a difference though ...for years we were largely happy bunnies, so the lack of leadership didn't really signify.

Now the whole country is slowly but surely turning into an angry, distrustful mob.

Biggins

peasant wrote: »

There is a difference though ...four years we were largely happy bunnies, so the lack of leadership didn't really signify.
Now the whole country is slowly but surely turning into an angry, distrustful mob.

In no way disagree, I wonder though, are we heading towards something that will boil over big time in some way?

oppenheimer1

Biggins wrote: »

In no way disagree, I wonder though, are we heading towards something that will boil over big time in some way?

No we aren't.

Liam Byrne

peasant wrote: »

Now the whole country is slowly but surely turning into an angry, distrustful mob.

Now the whole country is slowly but surely being turned into an angry, distrustful mob by the disgraceful and unrepentant actions of those entrusted with doing the right things.

BlaasForRafa

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Now the whole country is slowly but surely being turned into an angry, distrustful mob by the disgraceful and unrepentant actions of those entrusted with doing the right things.

yeah but the irish people are slow-burners, we seem to take far more sh-t than the likes of the greeks or the french, I mean they'll start burning sheep at the drop of a hat!

Laminations

peasant wrote: »

No, but a power vacuum in the making.

To be filled with .....?

ABFF. Bring on the election.

Dannyboy83

peasant wrote: »

There is a difference though ...for years we were largely happy bunnies, so the lack of leadership didn't really signify.

Now the whole country is slowly but surely turning into an angry, distrustful mob.

I disagree, mostly I just see apathy, shoulder shrugging and acceptance.
The chances of an angry mob forming seems very remote.
In fact, a lot of people come here to vent, because there seems to be no similar outlet in the real world.

I guess this board could give that impression at times that people are ready for action, but this board is used by people who care about politics and most people don't, they just care about money and how they compare to their neighbour.

peasant

Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean that there is an angry mob running ing the streets with torches and pitchforks

Anarchy (from Greek: ἀναρχίᾱ anarchíā, "without ruler") may refer to any of the following:

"No rulership or enforced authority."[1]
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."[2]
"A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[3]
"Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."[4]
"Act[ing] without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this." [5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

That's what I meant by "anarchy by default" in the thread title ...not necessarily a rising of the people but actually the self-dismantling of authority and power

Fuhrer

peasant wrote: »

Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean that there is an angry mob running ing the streets with torches and pitchforks


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

That's what I meant by "anarchy by default" in the thread title ...not necessarily a rising of the people but actually the self-dismantling of authority and power

Corruption doesnt mean no Ruling, just corrupt ruling.

AlekSmart

In no way disagree, I wonder though, are we heading towards something that will boil over big time in some way?

Ordinarily I would give a big +1 to Biggins here,however the current Government have proven highly adept at ring-fencing the volatile sectors.

The Government has I feel taken a definite decision to maintain Social Support mechanisms at a level far beyond what they should be if the same criteria were applied as to the productive sectors.

I would imagine that the Cabinet has been fully briefed as to the consequences of effective cuts in those mechanisms and the difficulties which would arise in Policing any co-ordinated negative response.

Borrowing at the rate of €500 Million per week simply to disburse most of it on an attempt to maintain a false level of comfort can only have one ending...Disaster.

The Government quite rightly has called out the general level of apathy which has bloated Middle Class Ireland and which therefore has allowed it to be beaten black and blue in the ongoing attempts to convince them that they were the architects of their own misfortune.

southsiderosie

peasant wrote: »

Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean that there is an angry mob running ing the streets with torches and pitchforks


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

That's what I meant by "anarchy by default" in the thread title ...not necessarily a rising of the people but actually the self-dismantling of authority and power

Definitely not; I see very little DIY impulse here. In fact quite the opposite; the default for everything seems to be "why isn't the government doing it???? That's not my job!!! Young people - who are normally the backbone of any anarchist movement - complain about not getting enough government support to go to school, and homeowners and shopkeepers can't even be bothered to take the initiative to clean the streets (it's the government's job!). It's an especially stark contrast with, say, Spain, which actually does have an active anarchist community that is small but extremely dedicated.

Also, while key institutions may be discredited, I don't see people abandoning them in droves. There have not been massive boycotts of Catholic mass, for example, and as much **** as people talked about FF last summer before the local elections, they are still running the show.

Nodin

peasant wrote: »

The pillars of the community are shaking.

The local TD is most likely a money grabbing hyppocrite, useless at best
The local priest, even if he is a decent man, belongs to a soulless organisation
The local bank manager ..well, the less said, the better
The local garda is not contactable because he left his (private) mobile at home and any other public servant won't answer their landline.

Everyone for themselves, or so it seems.

This seems to presume that they were some use or a remedy at some stage in the past.

Eliot Rosewater

peasant wrote: »

That's what I meant by "anarchy by default" in the thread title ...not necessarily a rising of the people but actually the self-dismantling of authority and power

What would your definition of anarchy be, out of curiosity? Usually in political circles it means remaining "the government" to "the community" and taking control of everything, rather ironically causing a dramatic increase in the authority and the power of those that rule.

peasant

In this case the applicable definition of anarchy would be mainly the "absence of governement" by virtue of incapability.:D

Compounded by the fact that all the other traditional so called "pillars of society" these days also are quite shaky.

As has been pointed out in this thread, this ever increasing power vacuum is not (as might be expected) being filled by the customary angry mob.

Maybe for Ireland we need a new word?

What do you get when you combine apathy with anarchy? Aparchy?