Don't do themselves any favours, do they...

jethrothe2nd

http://news.ie.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=152640848

I guess Dooley must be looking for promotion....

Biggins

Msgr Maurice Dooley, a former professor of canon law, said it was neither a civil crime nor a sin against the law of God for the clergy not to report such matters to gardaí.

Strange - the Gardi might disagree I suspect!
Whats is it called - "crime after the fact" or something like that?

I wonder will this person try to escape from the consequences of his actions (or lack of them) too!

jethrothe2nd

Funny that he makes no mention of morality...... In my view, there goes another priest who has just made his position untenable.

My name is URL

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder will this person try to escape from the consequences of his actions (or lack of them) too!

afaik he was only giving his opinion on the matter. I don't think he acted on those beliefs, but who knows.. he wouldn't tell anyone if he did :pac:

fontanalis

What is the history of Canon Law, and if it's being treated as the law of the land is there not effectively a two tier justice system?

Biggins

fontanalis wrote: »

What is the history of Canon Law, and if it's being treated as the law of the land is there not effectively a two tier justice system?

Its all screwed up to be honest. Look at England.
They are now allowing in cases Sharia law to be used on their soil!
Church and state should always be kept separate.
Sadly in our case, Rome had such a big foot inside the door of the Dail, they got their way if it was genuine civil law or not.

jethrothe2nd

fontanalis wrote: »

What is the history of Canon Law, and if it's being treated as the law of the land is there not effectively a two tier justice system?

That's a good point, and which takes precedence. I would hope that it would be civil law.Never heard of a member of the clergy being banged up in the crypt for misappropriating the communion wine...Or anything else for that matter

Rented Mule

Remember that the Good Old Boys of the Child Raping Club don't need to make you understand that this is the way that they do things, and their consciences are clean.

If you don't see it this way, then you are at fault.

My name is URL

Anyone hear the RTE News just now? It mentioned a case in Berlin where Pope Benedict himself as a Bishop helped to cover up child abuse some years ago.

If you've ever heard of the 'Three Secrets of Fatima', the 3rd prediction hints that evil will envolope the Vatican and that Bishops will be 'shot' by the public..

It would make you wonder tbh.. is it just bull**** or a preemptive attempt by the church to legitimize themselves...

fontanalis

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyone hear the RTE News just now? It mentioned a case in Berlin where Pope Benedict himself as a Bishop helped to cover up child abuse some years ago.

If you've ever heard of the 'Three Secrets of Fatima', the 3rd prediction hints that evil will envolope the Vatican and that Bishops will be 'shot' by the public..

It would make you wonder tbh.. is it just bull**** or a preemptive attempt by the church to legitimize themselves...

But that's the divil, the Vatican doesn't do responsibity but if it did it would be the best in the world.

Mike 1972

Biggins wrote: »

They are now allowing in cases Sharia law to be used on their soil!.

Not in courts of law they are not.

Cool Mo D

Biggins wrote: »

They are now allowing in cases Sharia law to be used on their soil!

No they're not. No court in England recognises sharia, and ever has. Anyone who's done 2 minutes research knows this.

Next you'll be telling me that Judge Judy is a real Judge.

Biggins

Cool Mo D wrote: »

No they're not. No court in England recognises sharia, and ever has. Anyone who's done 2 minutes research knows this.

Next you'll be telling me that Judge Judy is a real Judge.

Quick seach done in one minute - not two!
Future possible prospect for England... ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031611/Sharia-law-SHOULD-used-Britain-says-UKs-judge.html

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/07/03/52522.html

http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1581

http://www.religioustolerance.org/shariauk.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7488790.stm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyone hear the RTE News just now? It mentioned a case in Berlin where Pope Benedict himself as a Bishop helped to cover up child abuse some years ago.

If you've ever heard of the 'Three Secrets of Fatima', the 3rd prediction hints that evil will envolope the Vatican and that Bishops will be 'shot' by the public..

It would make you wonder tbh.. is it just bull**** or a preemptive attempt by the church to legitimize themselves...

Sorry to be pedantic, but that wasn´t Berlin, it was Essen. And I think there´s been evil in the Vatican for centrueis now, if not sicne it´s conception.

Ikky Poo2

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic, but that wasn´t Berlin, it was Essen. And I think there´s been evil in the Vatican for centrueis now, if not sicne it´s conception.

From what I know of Jesus, an extremely rich man who lives in an opulent palace and thinks of only himself as having a direct line to God is about as far from his teachings as can be.


You have to admit it's a good scam though..

Fear Uladh

Sorry to be so blunt or graphic but why don't they tie up the ****ers and let some sex starved gay prison inmates use and abuse them, see how much of a crime the ****ers will think it is then.:mad:

Cool Mo D

Biggins wrote: »

Quick seach done in one minute - not two!
Future possible prospect for England... ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031611/Sharia-law-SHOULD-used-Britain-says-UKs-judge.html

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/07/03/52522.html

http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1581

http://www.religioustolerance.org/shariauk.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7488790.stm

None of those articles say anything about sharia law being used in a law court. I repeat, there is no sharia law in British courts. If you read them, you would see that.

They talk about arbitration. Arbitration is where two parties agree to settle disputes outside the legal system, under a mutually agreed framework, overseen by a third party.
You can use any system you want, or you can make one up yourself, if you want. The restrictions are that any outcome from the arbitration cannot require an illegal act in itself, and that it must be freely entered into by all parties concerned.
A lot of the "controversy" is over legal personalities saying that Sharia is an acceptable framework for arbitration - as it clearly is. It is entirely legal to use Sharia as a basis for arbitration - in Ireland too.

Mike 1972

Biggins wrote: »

Quick seach done in one minute - not two!
Future possible prospect for England... ?

Do you actually read your own links or do you just not understand the Queens English ?

Lord Phillips, the most senior judge in England and Wales, said there was no reason sharia law's principles could not be used in mediation.

However, he said this would still be subject to the "jurisdiction of the English and Welsh courts".

Biggins

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Do you actually read your own links or do you just not understand the Queens English ?

Yea, I read the links.
My ONLY point was/is that they are possibly opening the door for more church and state stuff to be mixed in some cases, not separating it more so.
One step forwards and two back?

I've detracted from the OP's main point long enough though.

My name is URL

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic, but that wasn´t Berlin, it was Essen. And I think there´s been evil in the Vatican for centrueis now, if not sicne it´s conception.

My mistake.. I just heard it in passing, Ratzinger was Archbishop of Munich and Freising at the time, after looking it up

Yeah, evil has existed as long as religion has, even longer to be fair! There's evil people that are evil regardless of their creed

The 3rd Secret of Fatima though is either a complete coincidence or a brilliant attempt at dealing with an issue that the Church foreseen arising.. the public's awareness and outrage about the abuse of children by the clergy.

JuliusCaesar

I think the Catholic Church got the Gospel punctuation wrong...they got "Suffer, little children"