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Antique Gun dealer
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17-03-2010 8:18pm#1
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Is there one in Ireland that anyone knows. Would love to get a gun of mine valued properly. If not ill wait till the antique's road show come's to town
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By antique how old do you mean?
I was in Jim Halpins Shooting shop in Listowel Co. Kerry at the weekend and he had quite a few old guns.
And by old guns i mean ones used in the World wars, he had a good few different types of bolt action rifles.0 -
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Is there one in Ireland that anyone knows. Would love to get a gun of mine valued properly. If not ill wait till the antique's road show come's to town:D...
One hundred years is not old for a gun that has had some care. The brother has an old Kavanagh damascus barrel hammer gun that is more than that. It was our great grandfathers and he’s reluctant to dump it for sentimental reasons.
Nor does age make it make a gun valuable. What counts is condition, maker and scarcity value. Unless it was owned by a rajah or has a proven heritage do not expect too much.
Post some photos and details here and I bet you would get a reasonably good estimate.
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I never said it was see here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055583558
It is some some leap to expect us to connect this topic with the one above from last year. But you did say100 yrs old or so. from 1904 i reckon!
It is impossible to give any idea without detailed photographs.
BV under a crown is the View mark of Birmingham Proof house, in use since 1904.
NP under a crown is the definitive proof mark for Nitro
The .410 bore became popular about 1900 which also supports the date of post 1904 suggested by the view and proof marks. Most of the early .410s were chambered for a 2 inch cartridge, whereas many of the .410s on sale today are chambered for a 3” one. So, check and be careful. I would not use high-power cartridges in that gun.:eek:
With all the other stamps, I’m surprised that there is not a maker’s mark somewhere – often it is along the top rib.
My guess is that it could be a dealer’s gun, with barrels, locks, etc., bought-in and assembled and finished in-house. Both Birmingham and Liege were usual sources for the parts. Greener claimed that some Belgian makers used the Birmingham Proof House as a means of adding “cachet” and value to their guns. Damascus was going out of fashion by the late 1800’s so use of a Damascus barrel in post 1904 is a hint to it being a trade gun.
Damascus should be browned, not blued and in my view you probably have done it no favours by giving it a cold-rust blue treatment.
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Sometimes damascus was made from the nails of horseshoes, hammered into hoops to become tablets called “pilons” in French. Collecting these nails, cast from horseshoes, was a source of income for peasant kids. More usually, bars of steel carbide and bars of iron were stacked and hammered before being twisted around a mandril to make a barrel. The order and method of stacking is what gave the Damascus barrel its particular pattern.
Her price for the Kavanagh at €350 was too dear, but is probably what the .410 is worth;)
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pedroeibar1 wrote: »It is some some leap to expect us to connect this topic with the one above from last year. But you did say
It is impossible to give any idea without detailed photographs.
BV under a crown is the View mark of Birmingham Proof house, in use since 1904.
NP under a crown is the definitive proof mark for Nitro
The .410 bore became popular about 1900 which also supports the date of post 1904 suggested by the view and proof marks. Most of the early .410s were chambered for a 2 inch cartridge, whereas many of the .410s on sale today are chambered for a 3” one. So, check and be careful. I would not use high-power cartridges in that gun.:eek:
With all the other stamps, I’m surprised that there is not a maker’s mark somewhere – often it is along the top rib.
My guess is that it could be a dealer’s gun, with barrels, locks, etc., bought-in and assembled and finished in-house. Both Birmingham and Liege were usual sources for the parts. Greener claimed that some Belgian makers used the Birmingham Proof House as a means of adding “cachet” and value to their guns. Damascus was going out of fashion by the late 1800’s so use of a Damascus barrel in post 1904 is a hint to it being a trade gun.
Damascus should be browned, not blued and in my view you probably have done it no favours by giving it a cold-rust blue treatment.
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Sometimes damascus was made from the nails of horseshoes, hammered into hoops to become tablets called “pilons” in French. Collecting these nails, cast from horseshoes, was a source of income for peasant kids. More usually, bars of steel carbide and bars of iron were stacked and hammered before being twisted around a mandril to make a barrel. The order and method of stacking is what gave the Damascus barrel its particular pattern.
Her price for the Kavanagh at €350 was too dear, but is probably what the .410 is worth;)
Rs
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Much appreciated lad, The grandad was left the gun buy some local lady maybe 60yrs ago. He was also living in the greater birmingham area to. I have no idea of make theres no writings on it at all... My local dealer said €600 there abouts. Not really interested in selling just need a proper value for insurance reasons..
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Post a pic and we will give you a valuation.
Im not sure about posting any pictures here on boards.ie
I would like to get answer to my question, which was-> do I need a licence as a collector to have this thing in my possession.
the item itself, is a bit rusty but has carved handle and everything else on its place. I reckon it is french cos has has letters EGL (I think) surrounded by oval, with a crown. I can post photos by PM.
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