An Taisce Objecting to Powerboat Races in June

Sponge Bob

In less than 3 months the Round Ireland Powerboat race is to start from Galway.

http://designassociatesatwork.com/aroundireland.org/press.php?id=2

Furthermore there is to be a round of the international Powerboat P1 SuperStock Championship in the bay in between the start and finish running from the 5th to the 7th of June.

Naturally someone thought of having a race village but now I hear An Taisce is objecting to the race village and has threatened to take Galway City Council to court if the race village is not put through the full planning process first.

I understand the corpo bottled it with An Taisce and are about to order the organisers to apply for planning permission for the race village

This has also delayed confirmation of the race itself, it should have appeared HERE in the season calendar by now.

Poly

Where can the people of Ireland Object to An Taisce ?

Sponge Bob

They successfully objected to a single smallish seaplane in the docks back in January so imagine what they have planned for about 50 powerboats

As part of the objection relates to the SAC and SPA off the Salthill Prom the race may have to be moved out to Barna just like the inshore part of the Volvo last year.....also threatened by guess who at the last minute

Mrs OBumble

Poly wrote: »

Where can the people of Ireland Object to An Taisce ?

It's a membership organisation: if you don't like what they're currently doing, get involved and convince them to do other things.

http://www.antaisce.ie/Default.aspx?alias=www.antaisce.ie/membership

I'd have thought that of course organisers would have had to get planning permission for an event like this - and that it shouldn't be hard to get if they've thought things through.

Robbo

JustMary wrote: »

It's a membership organisation: if you don't like what they're currently doing, get involved and convince them to do other things.

http://www.antaisce.ie/Default.aspx?alias=www.antaisce.ie/membership

The Galway chapter tends to function as a dissident group, madder than the rest of them and run solely for one ego. I doubt rocking up to an AGM will change this, it'll just result in Continuity An Taisce and Real An Taisce...

You'd almost pray for an Isaac Wunder order to be made.

KevR

I really cannot fathom why they are objecting to a race village which will obviously only be there on a very temporary basis (3 days). The vast majority of Galway people will enjoy the race village and the event as a whole. It will also bring many tourists to the City. Why do An Taisce have to create a problem where there should be none?

They have threatened to take the City Council to court if they do not go through the full planning process and when the City Council do commence going through the planning process, I bet An Taisce will object to the race village altogether.

joeKel73

JustMary wrote: »

It's a membership organisation: if you don't like what they're currently doing, get involved and convince them to do other things.
http://www.antaisce.ie/Default.aspx?alias=www.antaisce.ie/membership

Wow I always thought they were a Government body.

Anyone know how many "members" there are. And do they need to approve you as a member... if not, how many people do we need to influence their internal votes! :cool:

JohnCleary

Clowns.

I'll be racing in the summer, and damned if i'm gonna let this crowd of paper warriors stop me.

KevR

foto joe wrote: »

Wow I always thought they were a Government body.

Anyone know how many "members" there are. And do they need to approve you as a member... if not, how many people do we need to influence their internal votes! :cool:

Had a quick look on their site and I think you have to pay to become a member...

Steyr

What a shower of miserable fcuks.

cafecolour

This seems like a bizarre thing to object to. I'd understand it if galway bay was some sort of previously sedate nature conservancy, but it's a commercial dock. I can't imagine seabirds et al that are nesting in the bay aren't exactly used to noise by this point.

Nature orgs and 'outdoor sports' enthusiasts are often at odds when they really have more in common than not - they have different ways of enjoying nature but they both want it there for their enjoyment rather than turned into estates.

JohnCleary

Imagine how badly they'll object to the development of Galway Harbour :eek:

KevR

JohnCleary wrote: »

Imagine how badly they'll object to the development of Galway Harbour :eek:

Haven't they already voiced some opposition against the Galway Harbour development (and possibly the Ceannt Quarter development also) because of the extra traffic these developments would bring to Central Galway? They are also against the Galway Bypass which would take large volumes of traffic out of Central Galway :rolleyes:. It's beyond crazy; I don't understand their logic at all. Do they think/want/expect Galway City to never grow and improve?

schween

JohnCleary wrote: »

Imagine how badly they'll object to the development of Galway Harbour :eek:

They'll take it to the EU courts. Let's just deport them to Limerick.

galwayrush

They are a club for miserable people who must try and save the rest of us from ourselves and our notions of having fun, the advancement of our City etc. They are a highly vocal minority in whatever they do, the miserable bastards .

galwayrush

JohnCleary wrote: »

Imagine how badly they'll object to the development of Galway Harbour :eek:

Thankfully (HOPEFULLY) the Harbour Board are a few steps ahead of them.

?Cee?view

This is absolutely shocking. An Taisce (in Galway) appear to be a club for miserable small minded people.

UnjustMary - while they are a private club of cranks; they're not just a private club. They have a statutory basis and a statutory remit. They're using the laws of Ireland to cause chaos and to stifle anything positive in Galway. I really despise them and the petty mean spirited taxi driver who's appointed himself as our "environmental conscience"

[My reference to their supreme leader in Galway as a taxi driver is not intended as an insult to other taxi drivers]

Amhran Nua

foto joe wrote: »

Wow I always thought they were a Government body.

Anyone know how many "members" there are. And do they need to approve you as a member... if not, how many people do we need to influence their internal votes! :cool:

I'd be delighted to join anyone that wants to crash the party, and I'll put my money where my mouth is. Would a few hundred members of boards help, and whats the fee?

goat2

KevR wrote: »

I really cannot fathom why they are objecting to a race village which will obviously only be there on a very temporary basis (3 days). The vast majority of Galway people will enjoy the race village and the event as a whole. It will also bring many tourists to the City. Why do An Taisce have to create a problem where there should be none?

They have threatened to take the City Council to court if they do not go through the full planning process and when the City Council do commence going through the planning process, I bet An Taisce will object to the race village altogether.

there is no need to have planning for a structure that will only be there for 3 days,
this is a huge event, big revenue, tourism, advertising, great for our country, hopefully no one will pay heed to those trying to stop progress

MOSSAD

KevR wrote: »

I really cannot fathom why they are objecting to a race village which will obviously only be there on a very temporary basis (3 days). The vast majority of Galway people will enjoy the race village and the event as a whole. It will also bring many tourists to the City. Why do An Taisce have to create a problem where there should be none?

They have threatened to take the City Council to court if they do not go through the full planning process and when the City Council do commence going through the planning process, I bet An Taisce will object to the race village altogether.

It's do gooder twits like the idiots in An Taisce that detract from the good sometimes positive work that this group occasionally does. It's time people stood up to this ramapnt nannyism and lobbied to have the group disbandned. Maybe that will teach them:P

cooperguy

Amhran Nua wrote: »

I'd be delighted to join anyone that wants to crash the party, and I'll put my money where my mouth is. Would a few hundred members of boards help, and whats the fee?

Id join ye too (im assuming that the Galway branch isnt very big so a few would probably make a difference)

galwayrush

JohnCleary wrote: »

Imagine how badly they'll object to the development of Galway Harbour :eek:

I read somewhere that they are indeed against the docks developement, apparently, they think Foynes in Co Limerick is close enough to serve Galway.:rolleyes:

Clemon

Cut the willys of the feckers

JohnCleary

I'll join too, that's another vote

Buglim

I'll join.

KevR

Give me a week and I'll look into joining too. Up to my eyes with my final year project at the moment but will be done with it next week.

Robbo

galwayrush wrote: »

I read somewhere that they are indeed against the docks developement, apparently, they think Foynes in Co Limerick is close enough to serve Galway.:rolleyes:

Aren't the Foynes Port Company doing everything in their power to ensure that there's no working port there? Like selling off land in deals which merit closer scrutiny?

galwayrush

Robbo wrote: »

Aren't the Foynes Port Company doing everything in their power to ensure that there's no working port there? Like selling off land in deals which merit closer scrutiny?

I think the funny stuff had to do with the old docks in Limerick City, but i could be wrong.

happyoutscan

I'll join. I have no problem with some of their work (?) but most of it is nothing more than straight-edge bullsh*t. Plus I'm an archaeologist so I'll destroy them with my against the grain attitude.

In all seriousness, objecting to a 3 day village is just plain fecking petty, what a sad bunch those who objected are.

ArseBandits.

?Cee?view

Sign me up!

Seriously, I'm busy for the next few weeks, but after that I'm going to look into this with a view to seeing if change can be made to happen from within

JohnCleary

Thats a good few numbers from here willing to join up. I'll put my money where my mouth is next week and join, i'll let ye know when i've it done

cooperguy

Before we all go randomnly joining do we know it will make a difference? As in do they make decisions by just taking a vote. If so how many people vote. Or is there some other decision making process.

Oh and just so people know, Membership:

?Cee?view

cooperguy wrote: »

Before we all go randomnly joining do we know it will make a difference? As in do they make decisions by just taking a vote. If so how many people vote. Or is there some other decision making process.

Agreed. That's what I mean when I said above that I'd "look into it". I'm going to try to find out about decision making processes etc. within An T. There's no way I'm joining if I can't actively work against their current leadership. I'd abhor a situation where my joining could be seen as a boost to that organisation. In other words, we don't need a situation where they can say they've a load of new members; and noone realises the new members are actually opposing the current regime.

cooperguy wrote: »

Oh and just so people know, Membership:

Do you have a link to that image? I can't make it out. Thanks.

Head The Wall

From their website

Isn’t An Taisce a government department (semi state)?

No An Taisce is a charity and was set up over 60 years ago, we rely almost exclusively on private donations and membership to survive and do our valuable work.

KevR

churchview wrote: »

Agreed. That's what I mean when I said above that I'd "look into it". I'm going to try to find out about decision making processes etc. within An T. There's no way I'm joining if I can't actively work against their current leadership. I'd abhor a situation where my joining could be seen as a boost to that organisation. In other words, we don't need a situation where they can say they've a load of new members; and noone realises the new members are actually opposing the current regime.

+1

churchview wrote: »

Do you have a link to that image? I can't make it out. Thanks.

Think that image is the pricing table on the left hand side of this page:
http://www.antaisce.ie/Default.aspx?alias=www.antaisce.ie/membership

Sponge Bob

Ensure that you know what branch they will put you in before you join. Ye could all join and find that An T creates a special 'Salthill' branch and leaves the nutters free to play away with the Galway City branch like they do now.

Amhran Nua

churchview wrote: »

Agreed. That's what I mean when I said above that I'd "look into it". I'm going to try to find out about decision making processes etc. within An T. There's no way I'm joining if I can't actively work against their current leadership. I'd abhor a situation where my joining could be seen as a boost to that organisation. In other words, we don't need a situation where they can say they've a load of new members; and noone realises the new members are actually opposing the current regime.

Spot on. Its €45 direct debit, and a snip at the price if we can make some real changes.

Sponge Bob

Sponge Bob wrote: »

As part of the objection relates to the SAC and SPA off the Salthill Prom the race may have to be moved out to Barna just like the inshore part of the Volvo last year.....also threatened by guess who at the last minute

Objections in public domain now.

This particular objection is to racing off Salthill like I said a few weeks back.

The races may go ahead off Barna which I understand they will as a fallback with event confirmation up on the P1 site ...but not in Salthill if An Taisce have their way. The bay is not a SAC like An Taisce say...only parts of it.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/12146-concerns-over-wildlife-could-threaten-powerboat-event

The Powerboat P1 Superstock Championship has been planned to coincide with the launch of the Around Ireland Offshore Powerboat Race from June 5 to June 7.


The two events are estimated to be worth a combined €30 million to the local economy.


However, An Taisce has written to the NPWS to ask the state body to investigate the potential damage that the event could cause to wildlife in the bay, which they regard as a Special Area of Conservation (SAC).

“An Taisce wrote to the NPWS, asking them to look at the powerboat race in light of Galway Bay being a Special Area of Conservation,” said Chairman of An Taisce Galway Derrick Hambleton

The NPWS could cop themselves on and explain that the SAC is there essentially for wintering birds and that June IS NOT WINTER. However the NPWS in Galway will no doubt produce a mealy mouthed tome of supreme ambivalance knowing them and the corpo are too knock kneed to challenge them

No mention of the separate An Taisce challenge to the Race Village

Storm 10

No mention on the P1 website of Salthill only on the Superstock Calendar, am I to understand that we are only getting the small boats not the big P1 ones which are awsome, twill be a bit dissapointing if they are only the small ones.

Sponge Bob

Now I am not blaming An Taisce for any of the following

Storm 10 wrote: »

Am I to understand that we are only getting the small boats not the big P1 ones which are awsome, twill be a bit dissapointing if they are only the small ones.

Some of the larger classes have been abolished (ones with the enclosed cockpits) for now owing to lack of demand. The Superstock is the largest for which there is now a competition and it will be the same next year.

http://www.speedonthewater.com/

Powerboat P1, which announced last week that it is bailing on its Super Sport and Evolution offshore racing classes for 2010—at least

Powerboat P1’s new “business plan” based on Aquabike, SuperStock and Rigid Inflatable Boat racing may well take care of that.

also see

http://www.speedonthewater.com/home/139-powerboat-p1-done-for-2010

galwayrush

Can't we object to An Taisce and get them barred?:rolleyes:

JohnCleary

The P1's are NOT coming to Galway (awesome boats), but the Superstock are. These are monohull GRP boats with a Honda 130 on the back - still pretty exciting boats and can't wait to see them.

I can also confirm that on June 6th we will be hosting an exciting event on inner Galway Bay, close to the shore. This will be a good spectator day and there'll be plenty of action for any petrolheads out there. More details to follow in the coming weeks.

Storm 10

JohnCleary wrote: »

The P1's are NOT coming to Galway (awesome boats), but the Superstock are. These are monohull GRP boats with a Honda 130 on the back - still pretty exciting boats and can't wait to see them.

I can also confirm that on June 6th we will be hosting an exciting event on inner Galway Bay, close to the shore. This will be a good spectator day and there'll be plenty of action for any petrolheads out there. More details to follow in the coming weeks.

Very dissapointed about the P1 boats not coming to Galway, I always understood that it was the "World Power Boat" races that were coming here and not the smaller boats which are nowhere as exciting as the P1 boats. I watched the P1 races a few times on tv and they were really exciting as they are so big. Bit of a let down on this

Sponge Bob

I assume some of the P1 class of boats will be in the round Ireland race seeing as their own series has been cancelled since last week. They will be racing towards Rossaveal

The superstocks were known as the "Honda Formula 4-Stroke" a few years back and will be racing in the bay.

Regrettably there is another SAC out that way and An Taisce are probably complaining to the County Council as well as the corpo.

JohnCleary

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I assume some of the P1 class of boats will be in the round Ireland race seeing as their own series has been cancelled since last week

To date, no P1 boats have been entered in the RI. The premier classes (SuperSport and Evo) are to be withdrawn. Focus will now be on smaller classes (Superstock, Aquabike etc.)

Storm 10

Very dissapointed that we wont get a chance to see the P1 class of boat as they are the big boys of the off shore races, the smaller ones will not have the same appeal and as for aqua bikes :mad::mad:

Why is it called the World Power Boat race then if its not coming here ?????? .

JohnCleary

Storm 10 wrote: »

Very dissapointed that we wont get a chance to see the P1 class of boat as they are the big boys of the off shore races, the smaller ones will not have the same appeal and as for aqua bikes :mad::mad:

Why is it called the World Power Boat race then if its not coming here ?????? .

No one is forcing you to watch the boats. If you don't like it, turn the other way

Sponge Bob

Sponge Bob wrote: »

In less than 3 months the Round Ireland Powerboat race is to start from Galway.

http://designassociatesatwork.com/aroundireland.org/press.php?id=2

Furthermore there is to be a round of the international Powerboat P1 SuperStock Championship in the bay in between the start and finish running from the 5th to the 7th of June.

Naturally someone thought of having a race village but now I hear An Taisce is objecting to the race village and has threatened to take Galway City Council to court if the race village is not put through the full planning process first.

I understand the corpo bottled it with An Taisce and are about to order the organisers to apply for planning permission for the race village

This has also delayed confirmation of the race itself, it should have appeared HERE in the season calendar by now.

This is one of the biggest, power-trip, organisation that we have in this country. €65m that the country badly needs stands to be lost over a shower of obstructionists.

Storm 10

JohnCleary wrote: »

No one is forcing you to watch the boats. If you don't like it, turn the other way

Now now dont get upset, of course I will watch the races its just that I was looking forward to seeing the P1 boats but either way I fully support it, as for An Taisce sick comes to mind about these people they hate to see things happen in this City.

Mrs OBumble

Storm 10 wrote: »

as for An Taisce sick comes to mind about these people they hate to see things happen in this City.

In fairness, someone needs to keep an eye on the historical/environment features, and ensure that we don't destroy 'em.

For example, many people would think it "progress" if we knocked Lynch's Castle, and replaced it with a "proper" bank branch with an ATM lobby that can be accessed at all hours. Many would like to see other grotty buildings on Shop (et al) St knocked down and replaced with taller glass and concrete numbers that would encourage shoppers to spend, and have high-class offices and apartments upstairs instead of the (now, or soon to be, illegal) shared-bathroom bedsits that are in some of them. But many other people would disagree.

If you dislike what any membership organisation is doing, join. Get your friends to join too. Change how things are done.