shotgun suggestions

mack_

Hi all. any suggestions for a good shotgun just for pidgeons, magpies, and greys? o/u or side by side? with ejectors. mostly a riffle man but the shot gun would be handy to clear them from the barley fields this time of year.:)

jamesomara

... bottom line, what do you feel like spending?

The most bang for the buck is a CZ 712. The wood is not pretty, but if you are looking to get out in the field or hit some clays, this is a nice all around gun, at a modest price. I have one and it is a true work horse. I just cannot think about taking the high end Italians into the field.

Do you have a 12ga? If not, the auto's are the best all around to go with. For upland birds the sxs is the classic configuration. However, the sxs is not the easiest for clays (barrels are focused). For clays, the preferred is o/u.

Again, the auto is probably your best all around choice. I would pick up the 712 in 3". For example:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=160894142

The Remington 1100 or the 1187 is a nice mid range auto. Definitely worth the price.

Both Remington and CZ have excellent customer service. Baikal makes a good gun too.

Keep in mind that you probably will not be buying a lot of shotguns. Thus, throwing down some dosh might be advised. If you can step up to the Benelli SBE or Winchester X3, you will have a gun for life. Everyone I know with a Benelli swears by it, not at it.

Again, I find it difficult to traipse through the bog, across ditches, through brambles, et al with a thousand euro + firearm. I like my field guns to be tough and my trap/skeet gun to be pristine.

Also, what size are you looking for? 26" will swing easier on trap and for crossing birds. The 28" will keep the force of the gasses on the shot longer, thus, a greater muzzle velocity. Don't forget, you can always get the 26" and get the ported extended choke - up to 2".

Slan

Steyr243Hunter

Nice looking shotgun for that money, anyone ever buy from that site?how did it work out?
I am going to states in couple of months, has anyone imported? would you recommend?
thanks

mack_

No i dont have a shotgun at the min. just a couple of riffle's. have been out with mates shooting pidgeon and greys the last few days so its in me now to get one. was using a u/o gun with ejectors. Eibar i think is the make. went to 2 gun shops and both are trying to sell yieldiz shotguns. turkish? what are the advantages of semi auto? are they only 3 shot?? sorry but new to shot guns. all help appreciated.

CJhaughey

Would you not consider a Pump action? cheaper than a Semi and almost as fast once you get used to them.
No problems running different ammo through it unlike some semis.
One more round than a double barrel.

Tackleberrywho

I have a Remington 105CTi
Very little recoil as it is semi auto which uses some of the gas to work the action. Also it has a hydraulic damper built into the stock. It is a lovely light gun with recoil like a girlie gun as my mats call it lol

I bought it new for €1400 2 years ago, however since there is a newer model out now you would get it cheaper.
It fires 2 3/4inch and 3inch shells, comes with 4 chokes to vary the spread of shot and is laser engraved timber so it is nice to look at.
The CTi is Carbon Titanium frame hence the light weight.

I love it to bits. It can break clays for sport and is easy on the shoulder.
Try breaking a couple of hundred clays in one day and look at your shoulder after with a cheaper shotgun, It will be black and blue.
If you shoot in the summer no need to be wearing padded jackets. I can shot wearing a t shirt with about the same recoil as a .223

I had a Baikal for years, side by side ejector. You can buy new for €200.
Simple plain and will also break clays and kill pheasant duck, snipe pigeons etc.
It was hard on the shoulder though after prolonged use. I also used to have a Swedish Mauser with a steel butt plate. I grew out of that phase very quick.

I also had a Remington 1187, I found them loud as they eject sidewards, The 105CTi ejects out the bottom making it ambidextrous and quieter for the shooter.

It all depends on budget. My fathers 100 year old stevens shotgun will hit just as good as any.
What you pay for in a shotgun is comfort and style.
Regards
Tackleberrywho

jamesomara

The auto is the most versatile shotgun of the group: sxs, o/u, single, bolt, pump,...

Pumps can be fun, like the Rem 870. However, this is a good handicap for new users who tend to come off target while racking the gun. I would stay away from them unless you get a great deal.

The auto will come with a magazine that is plugged to carry two + one in the chamber = a total of three. This is for water fowling and pheasants. The plug may be removed and another round, or more may be inserted. I am unsure of the legality of doing this for vermin. However, have a look at the Winchester X3 eating 12 rounds in under 1.5s!!! That's a big magazine.

Vegeta

I'd get a second hand Beretta semi auto

I have owned a Beretta Xtrema2 (which my brother then owned) and it is the best shotgun I have used. Cycles everything, is comfortable as f00k to shoot and needs practically no maintenance even though it's a gas system

The Big Fella

Ive recentley bought a 12 bore shotgun and am pending a licence. It is a new turkish gun made by ARMED. It is an over and under with ejecters. It cost €550. Anyone have one and what do you think of them from a hunting and clay pigeon point of view.

Double Barrel

A utility gun!

The Baikal IZH-27 OU or MP-153 auto.

I would pick the 27, easy to operate, safe, built like a tank.

thedragon

Double Barrel wrote: »

A utility gun!

The Baikal IZH-27 OU or MP-153 auto.

I would pick the 27, easy to operate, safe, built like a tank.

Try not to fire it too often though as it kicks like a mule.

terminator2

most of ye are advising this chap to buy a pump or a semi auto ,but as regards safety in the field you would be far better advised to buy a second hand under and over or any gun that can be broken easily at a gate or a ditch, and at clay shoots they have to be flagged ,

CJhaughey

terminator2 wrote: »

most of ye are advising this chap to buy a pump or a semi auto ,but as regards safety in the field you would be far better advised to buy a second hand under and over or any gun that can be broken easily at a gate or a ditch, and at clay shoots they have to be flagged ,

There is no difference in safety between a Semi or a Pump with nothing in the chamber and a broken SxS.
OP wasn't talking about clay shoots he was after a vermin gun, and generally S/A and Pump guns would have more ammo capacity which can be important for the 3rd shot at an escaping bird.

terminator2

why not get an AC 130 if you find you are missing a lot of birds CJ

CJhaughey

terminator2 wrote: »

why not get an AC 130 if you find you are missing a lot of birds CJ

Who said anything about missing birds?
Escaping yes missing no, very often there might be more than two pigeons doing damage on barley.
Don't let prejudice cloud your advice.

pedroeibar1

CJhaughey wrote: »

There is no difference in safety between a Semi or a Pump with nothing in the chamber and a broken SxS.
OP wasn't talking about clay shoots he was after a vermin gun, and generally S/A and Pump guns would have more ammo capacity which can be important for the 3rd shot at an escaping bird.

Yes there is. T2 is correct. When shooting in the field it is obvious to all that a SxS or U/O gun is "safe" when it is broken. Not so with an auto/pump.

As for a third shot, if a shooter does not hit with the first two, chances are a third shot will not do the job either, or worse, just wound the bird at limit of shot-range.

Finally, why bother with ejectors for a field gun? Just one more mechanical device to go wrong, particularly on a cheap gun.

Mellor

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Yes there is. T2 is correct. When shooting in the field it is obvious to all that a SxS or U/O gun is "safe" when it is broken. Not so with an auto/pump.
That's not what he said. He said there is no difference in safety, not in how safe they appear

As for a third shot, if a shooter does not hit with the first two, chances are a third shot will not do the job either, or worse, just wound the bird at limit of shot-range.
Read what he said, sometimes there are more then 3 in the sky.

Finally, why bother with ejectors for a field gun? Just one more mechanical device to go wrong, particularly on a cheap gun.
To save time obviously. Especially If you are shooting pigeon, they all go into the hide and are cleaned up at the end.

Fairly straight forward

Grizzly 45

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Yes there is. T2 is correct. When shooting in the field it is obvious to all that a SxS or U/O gun is "safe" when it is broken. Not so with an auto/pump.

Not quite true either..A pump with it's slide racked fully back has the hammer and trigger mechanism fully jammed by it being out of battery.At that point it is100% incapable of firing,and it is easy enough to see/feel the chamber to see if there is a shell present..This was the standard saftey procedure taught in some US police depts for storing the gun in the police cruiser for years.
A semi with no shell in its chamber ,battery locked back and a mag cutoff switch[if availavble] is just as safe.It would have to be "double racked" [IE pull the battery back twice to feed a round]to load a round in the chamber.
Once people understand the functioning of either gun they are as safe as any SXS or OU.It isnt the gun that is the problem,it is the person behind it who decides to ignorethe saftey features.

As for a third shot, if a shooter does not hit with the first two, chances are a third shot will not do the job either, or worse, just wound the bird at limit of shot-range.

Depends on how you load it.If you are just going to stuff the standard from the box into it,expect that to happen.I load a heavy load or 3in first,then a medium and then a light load.So the first load out is the light load which should be fine for the job,if you miss the second shot,is stronger and somwhat heavier,and if both miss or you have a cripple the 3in should if I am doing my bit right, finish off the job.

Tackleberrywho

I concur, I have a semi which has an orange piece indicating tube is empty and bolt locks back.

I always load for game 6 4 3 inch magnum in that order.
Normally get 2/3 birds on a good day, on a bad day I just go home after missing with three lol

The s/s or o/U If I was using I'd load the low number in the tight choke and the high number in the open choke






Depends on how you load it.If you are just going to stuff the standard from the box into it,expect that to happen.I load a heavy load or 3in first,then a medium and then a light load.So the first load out is the light load which should be fine for the job,if you miss the second shot,is stronger and somwhat heavier,and if both miss or you have a cripple the 3in should if I am doing my bit right, finish off the job.[/QUOTE]

Double Barrel

I don't have a dog in this race but.........:);):p

Finally, why bother with ejectors for a field gun? Just one more mechanical device to go wrong, particularly on a cheap gun.

:cool::cool:

To save time obviously.

:D:D

Now that is funny, just could not help myself.;)

yessam

I dont think anyone can tell you which gun to buy. I think you should go round on a few dealers and see what they have and how they suit you to handle. Bring some of your buddys that introduced you to shot gun shooting. wear clothes similar to what you will be wearing when shooting. Be very wary of advice you get from a gun dealer. I saw a gun dealer trying to sell a gun to a fellow and it was obvious his dominant eye was the left one and he was shooting from the right shoulder and he told him it was a perfect fit for him. I had a semi auto years ago and I could never hit anything up in the sky - not too bad lower down, the stock was too short for me. Get a gun that suits you first then you can shop around.

The Big Fella

yessam wrote: »

I dont think anyone can tell you which gun to buy. I think you should go round on a few dealers and see what they have and how they suit you to handle. Bring some of your buddys that introduced you to shot gun shooting. wear clothes similar to what you will be wearing when shooting. Be very wary of advice you get from a gun dealer. I saw a gun dealer trying to sell a gun to a fellow and it was obvious his dominant eye was the left one and he was shooting from the right shoulder and he told him it was a perfect fit for him. I had a semi auto years ago and I could never hit anything up in the sky - not too bad lower down, the stock was too short for me. Get a gun that suits you first then you can shop around.

Thanks very much for your advice yessam. Ive just bougth a new over an under but Im left eye dominant and my right arm is my strong side. I think I need a cheak piece on the stock also. Are over an unders made specificaly for right or left hand shooting

Double Barrel

Are over an unders made specificaly for right or left hand shooting

Big Fella,
They can be but yours is more likely for a right handed shooter. If you don't mind me asking which OU did you get. Something that helps with eye dominance and shotguns is to shoot with both eyes open.

pedroeibar1

Mellor wrote: »

Fairly straight forward

Having a bad day Mellor? Your post is a tad more than ratty.:p

The OP said

Hi all. any suggestions for a good shotgun just for pidgeons, magpies, and greys? o/u or side by side? with ejectors. mostly a riffle man but the shot gun would be handy to clear them from the barley fields this time of year

From that post it is clear to anyone with a bit of cop that the guy is not going to be a high-volume shooter; he wants some basic advice, not a rant from people on semi-autos or pedantic comments by a mod.

I am perfectly aware of “safe” and, in common with most other shooters, I prefer to see another shooter’s gun broken when not pointing at a bird (or down range). That is why I said

“it is obvious to all that a SxS or U/O gun is "safe" when it is broken.”

Just because my guns have intercepting safety sears is not an excuse to not break my gun. Just because an auto has a yellow/orange gizmo and appears “safe” to the user does not convince another some feet away that there is nothing in the chamber. That is why autos are not universally welcome and often disallowed. Keeping a gun broken is common courtesy, something that often is lacking on these boards.:(

You introduced the concept of

“three in the sky”

not any other poster. It should be clear to anyone with a modicum of wit that I commented on CJH’s

“......be important for the 3rd shot at an escaping bird.”

Were it another bird CJH would have said so, and not referred to the third shot. Unless, of course, his grammar is worse than his aim.

As for ejector or non-ejector, your

“to save time obviously”

is an asinine remark. Most rough shooters use a non-ejector because it is easy to lift two spent cartridges and put them in a pocket. Much faster than retrieving spent cartridges from somewhere in a field. But, unlike ordinary mortals, no doubt as a Mod you can catch them in your teeth or maybe eject them directly into your pocket.:D:D
P.

pedroeibar1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not quite true either..A pump with it's slide racked fully back has the hammer and trigger mechanism fully jammed by it being out of battery.At that point it is100% incapable of firing,and it is easy enough to see/feel the chamber to see if there is a shell present..This was the standard saftey procedure taught in some US police depts for storing the gun in the police cruiser for years.
A semi with no shell in its chamber ,battery locked back and a mag cutoff switch[if availavble] is just as safe.It would have to be "double racked" [IE pull the battery back twice to feed a round]to load a round in the chamber.
Once people understand the functioning of either gun they are as safe as any SXS or OU.It isnt the gun that is the problem,it is the person behind it who decides to ignorethe saftey features.





Depends on how you load it.If you are just going to stuff the standard from the box into it,expect that to happen.I load a heavy load or 3in first,then a medium and then a light load.So the first load out is the light load which should be fine for the job,if you miss the second shot,is stronger and somwhat heavier,and if both miss or you have a cripple the 3in should if I am doing my bit right, finish off the job.

Grizzly,
Ever go snipe shooting?? All that is waaaay to complicated for a simple guy like me. What happens if (as usual) two get up together??? :eek:
Just fill it with No. 9's, aim in front and make sure the safety is off:D:D:D
Rs
P.

terminator2

shoot snipe with shells in this order 6, 4, 3, sabot,heat seeking missile :D ide hate to be eating them.................or you could try it the way i personally like 32gramme no7 anything inside 40 yds

pedroeibar1

terminator2 wrote: »

shoot snipe with shells in this order 6, 4, 3, sabot,heat seeking missile :D ide hate to be eating them.................or you could try it the way i personally like 32gramme no7 anything inside 40 yds

Naw, heat seeking or Stingers do not work. Bird's ass is parked on a cold wet bog so there is no thermal image to pick up.:D:D
P.

murphy125

The Big Fella wrote: »

Ive just bougth a new over an under but Im left eye dominant and my right arm is my strong side

For the eye dominance problem.
I know its more for clays but get a pair of shooting glasses then get a bit of tape and cover your left eye with it. It really does help:D

Vegeta

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

You introduced the concept of "three in the sky" not any other poster. It should be clear to anyone with a modicum of wit that I commented on CJH’s “......be important for the 3rd shot at an escaping bird.” Were it another bird CJH would have said so, and not referred to the third shot. Unless, of course, his grammar is worse than his aim..

CJ clarified he meant more than 2 birds in the post directly before your post and there was nearly 10 hours between the postings

pedroeibar1

CJhaughey wrote: »

Escaping yes missing no, very often there might be more than two pigeons doing damage on barley.

Vegeta wrote: »

CJ clarified he meant more than 2 birds in the post directly before your post and there was nearly 10 hours between the postings

Clarified? Fail to see where “three birds in the air” comes into CJ’s post. Unless, of course, the ploughed field and hydroponics have been surpassed and there now is an aerial crop out there in Kinsealy. After all, some natives out there can even walk on water.

Let it lie......
P.

Tackleberrywho

murphy125 wrote: »

For the eye dominance problem.
I know its more for clays but get a pair of shooting glasses then get a bit of tape and cover your left eye with it. It really does help:D

I put a karsten cheekpiece on my rifle last night as a left eye dominant guy I used Karsten as it is ambi dexterous.

My shotgun is a 105CTi as it is ideal for Left eye shooters as it ejects underneath

Youtube it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyT3OYAMUA8
Its not cheap though
You can get old Remington 11-87 in lefty models. 4-5 hundred but a great gun too

Double Barrel

Big Fella
Shoot with both eyes open.
The best solution is to learn to shoot from the same shoulder as the master eye.
If the dominant eye is not over the rib you will not be able to point the shotgun in the correct place to hit your target with regularity.
You will find it awkward at first whichever side you shoot from but in the long run the left is going to be the better choice imo.
Sign up for a session with the best instructor you can find and ask his/her opinion.

mack_

Hi guys, thanks for all the info, some helpful and others not but as pedroeibar1 said its just some low volume shooting. dont think i need a semi or pump. Think im tending to go for a o/u wit ejectors. Just one thing is still confusing me. I use 7 1/2 cartridges, whats the difference between 3 or 4 or 5 0r6 etc? sorry but new to all this. Thanks in advance.

Double Barrel

mack,

Shot size, large shot 1,3,4.5,6, large birds, small, 7,8,9, snipe.

pedroeibar1

mack_ wrote: »

Hi guys, thanks for all the info, some helpful and others not but as pedroeibar1 said its just some low volume shooting. dont think i need a semi or pump. Think im tending to go for a o/u wit ejectors. Just one thing is still confusing me. I use 7 1/2 cartridges, whats the difference between 3 or 4 or 5 0r6 etc? sorry but new to all this. Thanks in advance.

If you are left eye dominant and right handed it is not the end of the world. Several people I know thought they were left eye D but in fact had central vision.:)
Firstly, just get the feel of a gun. Try mounting it a few times and if you cannot feel comfortable in putting it up to your left shoulder, so be it. You could fart about with a square of black tape on the left lens of a pair of shooting glasses, so that the bead is blocked out by it when looking through your left eye. That does work, but not when it is raining.
Go to a clays range and get someone to set a clays trap at a slow speed. Use both eyes to acquire the target then as you mount the gun shut your left eye. This should keep the clay over the bead and your right eye over the action. Get some practice and confidence with this, then speed up the targets.
Looking at a target with both eyes open, an under&over has a bigger sight plane (top rib to bottom of the bottom barrel) than a SxS, which can draw the eye, which is why some people with eye dominance issues prefer to shoot with a SxS as it has a narrower profile(barrels edge on rather than stacked).

U/O’s, and always clays guns, are heavier, at least 7 ½ Lbs which will absorb more recoil and is good if you are shooting a high volume of clays or pigeons. A SxS is usually less than 7 lbs and more comfortable to carry in the field. Both are acceptable everywhere, whereas a semi-auto is not. Call it bias, bigotry, ignorance, whatever, but it is the truth. Don’t know where you are located, but try to buy from a shop that has a range. E.g. Courtlough outside Dublin
Cartridge shot size = use no.4 for duck, no.7 for pheasant and no.9 for snipe.
Buy a gun that fits, get comfortable with shooting it and have fun!!:cool:

P.
,

Tackleberrywho

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

If you are left eye dominant and right handed it is not the end of the world. Several people I know thought they were left eye D but in fact had central vision.:)
Firstly, just get the feel of a gun. Try mounting it a few times and if you cannot feel comfortable in putting it up to your left shoulder, so be it. You could fart about with a square of black tape on the left lens of a pair of shooting glasses, so that the bead is blocked out by it when looking through your left eye. That does work, but not when it is raining.
Go to a clays range and get someone to set a clays trap at a slow speed. Use both eyes to acquire the target then as you mount the gun shut your left eye. This should keep the clay over the bead and your right eye over the action. Get some practice and confidence with this, then speed up the targets.
Looking at a target with both eyes open, an under&over has a bigger sight plane (top rib to bottom of the bottom barrel) than a SxS, which can draw the eye, which is why some people with eye dominance issues prefer to shoot with a SxS as it has a narrower profile(barrels edge on rather than stacked).

U/O’s, and always clays guns, are heavier, at least 7 ½ Lbs which will absorb more recoil and is good if you are shooting a high volume of clays or pigeons. A SxS is usually less than 7 lbs and more comfortable to carry in the field. Both are acceptable everywhere, whereas a semi-auto is not. Call it bias, bigotry, ignorance, whatever, but it is the truth. Don’t know where you are located, but try to buy from a shop that has a range. E.g. Courtlough outside Dublin
Cartridge shot size = use no.4 for duck, no.7 for pheasant and no.9 for snipe.
Buy a gun that fits, get comfortable with shooting it and have fun!!:cool:

P.
,

I'm left eye Dominant Right handed.

Mellor

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

From that post it is clear to anyone with a bit of cop that the guy is not going to be a high-volume shooter; he wants some basic advice, not a rant from people on semi-autos or pedantic comments by a mod.

I'm not a mod. nor was i being pedantic.
Ironically, it was the fact that I saw your posts as pedantic that I posted.
I tried to do this as simply as possible. As I was repeated previous comments that you ignored or missed.

I am perfectly aware of “safe” and, in common with most other shooters, I prefer to see another shooter’s gun broken when not pointing at a bird (or down range). That is why I said Just because my guns have intercepting safety sears is not an excuse to not break my gun. Just because an auto has a yellow/orange gizmo and appears “safe” to the user does not convince another some feet away that there is nothing in the chamber. That is why autos are not universally welcome and often disallowed. Keeping a gun broken is common courtesy, something that often is lacking on these boards.:(

As I said, appearance or safety and actually safety are too different things. The above is pretty much irrelevant.

As for ejector or non-ejector, your is an asinine remark. Most rough shooters use a non-ejector because it is easy to lift two spent cartridges and put them in a pocket. Much faster than retrieving spent cartridges from somewhere in a field. But, unlike ordinary mortals, no doubt as a Mod you can catch them in your teeth or maybe eject them directly into your pocket.:D:D

You asked a foolish question. I gave a, in your words, asinine (syn. foolish) answer.
Most people, if possible, would disable ejectors for walking about while shooting, using only for the hide. The other solution, would be to simply block them with your hand, which is not much effort.

Again, you have confused me with somebody else for the second time. I'm not a mod. I don't know what got that idea into your head. Maybe if you actually read what was in front of you you wouldn't of made these mistakes,

Vegeta

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Clarified? Fail to see where “three birds in the air” comes into CJ’s post.

You're correct it is your failure, to see or read, because CJ posted approx 10 hours before you with

Who said anything about missing birds?
Escaping yes missing no, very often there might be more than two pigeons doing damage on barley.
Don't let prejudice cloud your advice.

Now to me more than two is pretty specific

Tackleberrywho

Mellor wrote: »

I'm not a mod. nor was i being pedantic.
Ironically, it was the fact that I saw your posts as pedantic that I posted.
I tried to do this as simply as possible. As I was repeated previous comments that you ignored or missed.


As I said, appearance or safety and actually safety are too different things. The above is pretty much irrelevant.



You asked a foolish question. I gave a, in your words, asinine (syn. foolish) answer.
Most people, if possible, would disable ejectors for walking about while shooting, using only for the hide. The other solution, would be to simply block them with your hand, which is not much effort.

Again, you have confused me with somebody else for the second time. I'm not a mod. I don't know what got that idea into your head. Maybe if you actually read what was in front of you you wouldn't of made these mistakes,

think this is where the poster is confused
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My understanding of Boards though limited is that mellor is a Mod on C&P board, not on shooting.
In regards to carrying safely in groups, this requires extreme discipline!

In my experience when in the field the safest way for two or more is guy on right to cover right flank and guy on left cover left flank for game. However i try not to have more than two shooters and if there is three we alternate who is in the lead and who is in reserve with rifle/shotgun slung. Quite often we shoot 5-6 mid to long range bunnies, then the guy with the 12g takes the lead and goes for bolting rabbits, works well as we all get shooting.

Safest way for me to carry my shotty is with a breech flag. This can consist of large cable tie and an old cows ear tag, or they can be bought.
As I have a semi I treat it the same way as a rifle and keep it slung when not in use.

Safest way to carry a rifle IMHO is to chamber a round without engaging the action. ie hold the trigger so the sear does not engage the action as the bolot is worked forward. The when you wish to shoot, rise bolt half way and action is engaged on downward stroke.
Then you are not relying on the safety as the rifle is de-energised until the bolt is raised and lowered which also can be quieter than engaging the safety catch on some remingtons

yog1

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Safest way to carry a rifle IMHO is to chamber a round without engaging the action. ie hold the trigger so the sear does not engage the action as the bolot is worked forward. The when you wish to shoot, rise bolt half way and action is engaged on downward stroke.
Then you are not relying on the safety as the rifle is de-energised until the bolt is raised and lowered which also can be quieter than engaging the safety catch on some remingtons

can you explain this to me again, (i know you have already), what do you mean when you say chamber a round.
do you mean put one in the breach as if you were going to fire, then do somthing with the bolt to stop it from charging the bolt in effect,
not sure how you do this, my dealer showed me how to discharge the bolt when empty for storage witch involved holding the trigger while engaging the bolt down to release the pressure on the spring, is this somthing simmaler

Tackleberrywho

yog1 wrote: »

can you explain this to me again, (i know you have already), what do you mean when you say chamber a round.
do you mean put one in the breach as if you were going to fire, then do somthing with the bolt to stop it from charging the bolt in effect,
not sure how you do this, my dealer showed me how to discharge the bolt when empty for storage witch involved holding the trigger while engaging the bolt down to release the pressure on the spring, is this somthing simmaler

One in the same.
most hunters carry this way as it is safer especially if you have a light trigger.
Unlike some rifles many Hunting rifles do not have a drop safety.

Military rifles do have a drop safety as the are designed to be rough housed.
Also if on a Remington other shooters can clearly see that the action is forward . My old Sako 75 had a piece that stuck ount on the rear of the bolt when cocked not as visible to others.
On my Remington I use the safety in conjunction with this method as a round can be carried in the chamber safer than with just the safety just holding the trigger.

Do you follow?

pedroeibar1

This is boring and has gone way off topic.

Mellor wrote: »

......Ironically, it was the fact that I saw your posts as pedantic that I posted.
Look up the meaning of irony

As I said, appearance or safety and actually safety are too different things. The above is pretty much irrelevant.
It is irrelevant because it is meaningless. Nor is it helped by the fact that you do not know the difference between too and two, and "appearance or safety and actually safety." adds up to three...


You asked a foolish question. I gave a, in your words, asinine (syn. foolish) answer. What question? Where was my question mark?

Most people, if possible, would disable ejectors for walking about while shooting, using only for the hide. The other solution, would be to simply block them with your hand, which is not much effort.
Many people would not know how ejectors work. Most would not know how to disable them and almost all should not be allowed do so

pedroeibar1

Vegeta wrote: »

You're correct it is your failure, to see or read, because CJ posted approx 10 hours before you with



Now to me more than two is pretty specific

"More than two" is very unspecific, it could be three, thirty or three hundred.

Escaping yes missing no, very often there might be more than two pigeons doing damage on barley.

How anyone could infer that there are three birds in the air from this is beyond me. It would be just as easy to go the whole hog and suggest a semi-auto .22 to wipe out the flock while they are on the ground.
The OP is looking for advice on type of gun for vermin control and clays. The suggestion of a pump or semi-auto is not in my view (and that of others) suitable for his needs, regardless of how many birds are in the air or on barley.

Tackleberrywho

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

"More than two" is very unspecific, it could be three, thirty or three hundred.


How anyone could infer that there are three birds in the air from this is beyond me. It would be just as easy to go the whole hog and suggest a semi-auto .22 to wipe out the flock while they are on the ground.
The OP is looking for advice on type of gun for vermin control and clays. The suggestion of a pump or semi-auto is not in my view (and that of others) suitable for his needs, regardless of how many birds are in the air or on barley.

Baikal 12g ejector s/h €100
Problem solved
Or a Lumar is a little dearer but a little better!

Grizzly 45

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Grizzly,
Ever go snipe shooting?? All that is waaaay to complicated for a simple guy like me. What happens if (as usual) two get up together??? :eek:
Just fill it with No. 9's, aim in front and make sure the safety is off:D:D:D
Rs
P.

Yup all the time...And I shoot them with a 24 in cylinder bore pump action,using trap loads.If I may say so myself I manage to bag a few.Would be more if I had a decent dog to point,but I have to rely on snap shooting.I have managed twice to do a two for one as you describe.

If thats too complicated for ya.I would suggest you stay well away of most modern domestic appliances or the horseless carrige aka the motorised vechicle.They are well complicated.But thats just me "ranting" off again.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

pedroeibar1

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Baikal 12g ejector s/h €100
Problem solved
Or a Lumar is a little dearer but a little better!

Agreed. Or even cheaper, like go to a dealer and ask him to put out the word as being in need of a gun being surrendered and you will give him 50 quid for his input;)
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Vegeta

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

"More than two" is very unspecific, it could be three, thirty or three hundred.

I don't care what the OP shoots with I am just calling bullsh1t where I see it.

You accused a poster of something through selective reading of posts and it is very obviously not the case.

How anyone could infer that there are three birds in the air from this is beyond me. It would be just as easy to go the whole hog and suggest a semi-auto .22 to wipe out the flock while they are on the ground.
The OP is looking for advice on type of gun for vermin control and clays. The suggestion of a pump or semi-auto is not in my view (and that of others) suitable for his needs, regardless of how many birds are in the air or on barley.

The OP has posted three times in this thread and has not mentioned clays once. Another example of your selective reading.

pedroeibar1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Yup all the time...And I shoot them with a 24 in cylinder bore pump action,using trap loads.If I may say so myself I manage to bag a few.Would be more if I had a decent dog to point,but I have to rely on snap shooting.I have managed twice to do a two for one as you describe.

If thats too complicated for ya.I would suggest you stay well away of most modern domestic appliances or the horseless carrige aka the motorised vechicle.They are well complicated.But thats just me "ranting" off again.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Now Grizz, don't YOU start on me:eek:
My post was in response to you saying

Grizzly 45 wrote:

....I load a heavy load or 3in first,then a medium and then a light load.So the first load out is the light load which should be fine for the job,if you miss the second shot,is stronger and somwhat heavier,and if both miss or you have a cripple the 3in should if I am doing my bit right, finish off the job.

You guys with cylinder chokes always put manners on us old fixed chokes guys;)
Off now to build up a head of steam on the motor of my pantechnicon, if of course I can find me matches.
P.

pedroeibar1

Vegeta wrote: »

I don't care what the OP shoots with I am just calling bullsh1t where I see it.

You accused a poster of something through selective reading of posts and it is very obviously not the case.

The OP has posted three times in this thread and has not mentioned clays once. Another example of your selective reading.

I'm not going to comment further on what meets my definition of bullsh1t but it should be obvious to anyone who has followed these posts.
Furthermore, I inadvertantly referred to clays ONCE in an earlier post this morning but if you see fit to make that a key item of your response, it says a lot.

The OP has enough info by now, let him get on with it.
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Sandy22

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Safest way to carry a rifle IMHO is to chamber a round without engaging the action. ie hold the trigger so the sear does not engage the action as the bolot is worked forward. The when you wish to shoot, rise bolt half way and action is engaged on downward stroke.
Then you are not relying on the safety as the rifle is de-energised until the bolt is raised and lowered which also can be quieter than engaging the safety catch on some remingtons

Mods, could we have a poll on this? I'd be curious to see what proportion of shooters agree with the above statement.

bunny shooter

IMHO that's MADNESS !!!!!

Firing pin will be in contact with primer