Leinster v Glasgow, Thursday Night 7.30pm

durkadurka

Leinster squad to face the Glasgow Warriors…

FORWARDS: John Fogarty, Trevor Hogan, Bernard Jackman, Stephen Keogh, Ronan McCormack, Kevin McLaughlin, Malcolm O'Kelly, Mike Ross, Paul Ryan, Eoin Sheriff, Richardt Strauss, Devin Toner, CJ van der Linde, Stan Wright

BACKS: Shaun Berne, Girvan Dempsey, Shane Horgan, Chris Keane, David Kearney, Simon Keogh, Ian Madigan, Fergus McFadden, Isa Nacewa, Paul O'Donohoe, Eoin O'Malley

REFEREE: Nigel Owens (WRU), ASSISTANT REFEREES: Michael Black (IRFU), Mark Hermin (IRFU), 4th OFFICIAL: Edward Kenny (ARLB), 5th OFFICIAL: Sean Gallagher (ARLB)


Pretty weak squad - anyone on the Ireland 22 not there - so no Reddan, Jennings, or Cullen along with all the first 15 players. Shaggy and Fogarty back though.

I reckon there's only 4 of the first team in that squad.

accensi0n

durkadurka wrote: »

I reckon there's only 4 of the first team in that squad.

I'd say 7.

danthefan

First XV you have CJ, Fogarty, McLaughlin, Nacewa, Horgan.

XXII then you'd have Wright, Jackman/Strauss, MOK, Berne.

cruiserweight

Glasgow will be missing a lot of players who will be in the Scotland squad and some through injury.

BTW why is this game on Thursday? If it was on Friday some of the scots travelling over might have gone to it

andrewdcs

Thinking the same, though I know a bunch of scots fans who'll be over Wednesday thru Saturday (god bless their Livers).

Fixture congestion is getting critical due to snow / etc. earlier in year. HEC is back on very soon and we've 5 rounds of play left. Two games in hand at home need to be won, that will assure top 4 so zero risk is order of the day.

Glasgow don't have the resources to compete as they'd want either thankfully.

durkadurka

I reckon Glasgow will be even weaker though.

thomond2006

Please oh please give Ross a start.

Podge_irl

thomond2006 wrote: »

Please oh please give Ross a start.

He was far better than CJ in the last game imo.

Co45

Podge_irl wrote: »

He was far better than CJ in the last game imo.

CJs been a waste of money.

Co45

durkadurka wrote: »

Leinster squad to face the Glasgow Warriors…

FORWARDS: John Fogarty, Trevor Hogan, Bernard Jackman, Stephen Keogh, Ronan McCormack, Kevin McLaughlin, Malcolm O'Kelly, Mike Ross, Paul Ryan, Eoin Sheriff, Richardt Strauss, Devin Toner, CJ van der Linde, Stan Wright

BACKS: Shaun Berne, Girvan Dempsey, Shane Horgan, Chris Keane, David Kearney, Simon Keogh, Ian Madigan, Fergus McFadden, Isa Nacewa, Paul O'Donohoe, Eoin O'Malley

I'd go with :

1.Wright
2.Fogarty
3.Ross
4.O'Kelly
5.Toner
6.McLaughlin
7.Paul Ryan
8.Keogh
9.O'Donohoe
10.Berne
11.Nacewa
12.O'Malley
13.McFadden
14.Horgan
15.Dempsey

16.Strauss
17.CJ
18.Sheriff
19.Hogan
20.Keane
21.Madigan
22.D.Kearney


Weak squad! Ireland internationals along with U20s internationals has seriously weakened Leinster!

gcgirl

Co45 wrote: »

CJs been a waste of money.

Along with De Villiers at Munster!

Wheres Conway Mr Cheika?
If he is to make the world cup squad he needs gametime.

gcgirl

U20's V Scotland!

Podge_irl

Thatcher Whining Fashion wrote: »

Wheres Conway Mr Cheika?
If he is to make the world cup squad he needs gametime.

Playing for the U20s probably.


It's possible Strauss may be used in the backrow, he has played there before. Leinster's options are awfully thin there at the moment.

Crash

Thatcher Whining Fashion wrote: »

Wheres Conway Mr Cheika?
If he is to make the world cup squad he needs gametime.

U20's I'd assume Goose.

Co45

Podge_irl wrote: »

Playing for the U20s probably.


It's possible Strauss may be used in the backrow, he has played there before. Leinster's options are awfully thin there at the moment.

Actually that would be interesting to see.
I've been hearing positive things about Paul Ryan though. Could be another McLaughlin coming out of nowhere.

Podge_irl

Co45 wrote: »

Actually that would be interesting to see.
I've been hearing positive things about Paul Ryan though. Could be another McLaughlin coming out of nowhere.

There only seems to be three back row forwards named though. We'll see I guess. It's always good to start young, Irish forwards so hopefully Ryan gets some game time, but Strauss is our only real cover at 7 for a HEC match at this point so Cheika may want to see him there.

andrewdcs

of course, U20s have taken a chunk out too. Ruddock, Conway etc.

irishbucsfan

1. Wright
2. Fogarty
3. Ross
4. Devin Toner
5. MOK
6. Locky
7. Paul Ryan
8. Keogh
9. Keane
10. Berne
11. Nacewa
12. McFadden
13. O'Malley
14. Horgan
15. Dempsey

16. Strauss
17. CJ VDL
18. Hogan
19. Sherrif (?)
20. Keogh
21. Madigan
22. Kearney

danthefan

Jackman is named captain so he'll obviously be starting.

frankie2shoes

Co45 wrote: »

CJs been a waste of money.

+1.
Hasn't performed for us at all. Back to SA with him at the end of the season I say

Superbus

Co45 wrote: »

CJs been a waste of money.

He sure has. Remember when he and Rocky came before last season in a blaze of glory? Elsom's still revered. CJ's plodding along filling someone else's space, that is when he's not injured.

It'd be best for all concerned I think if he tapped his feet together three times and went home.

Otherwise on that team - I know Paul Ryan's brother, so glad he's involved, but it's never a good sign when there's a player you've never heard of, in my case Eoin Sheriff.

Also, I know there's epic fixture congestion, but still, Thursday? Who thought of that?

durkadurka

Glasgow had 8 players in the team for the england game , add in thom evans and we can assume they will only have about 6 first teamers against leinster. Leinster's b team must be better than glasgow's b team.

thomond2006

Is this game not on TV? It's not mentioned on the Broadcast Schedule on the ML site...

http://www.magnersleague.com/matchcentre/table.php

Leinster's Run-in (in order):

Warriors (h)
Connacht (h)
Munster (a)
Ospreys (h)
Warriors (a)
Edinburgh (h)

Connacht (a) - Date TBC

IMO Leinster have a nice run-in to the playoffs, you'd have to fancy them to get at least 5 wins from 7. That should give them a home semi-final.

[Jackass]

Looking forward to seeing Ryan at 7. It's a decent team, and looking forward to seeing the McFadden / O'Malley combo again. I think McFadden will end up a 12 replacing D'Arcy when the time comes...fantastic player though.

CJ's contract runs until the end of next season, but the first half of his stay at Leinster has been extremely disapointing, not only for injury, which can't be helped, but we've only got rare glances of his scrummaging power, and he seem lazy and / or unfit around the park. Believe it or not, I was more excited about CJ's arrival than I was about Rocky's when they were announced....how wrong I was!!

Ross deserves to start..he was in the GP team of the season when he signed for us, but we've been very unfair on him with oppertunities...I think he's earned a start and being dropped might be the kick up the arse CJ needs...

I think the Magners League final will be played in the RDS against Munster...hopefully a replay of the Heineken Cup final the week before....should be epic!!

Also, should senior Leinster team take precident over u-20's national team?

durkadurka

4 home games and away to connacht. All depends on heineken qf i think. If they win the qf they might take their eyes off the ball.

danthefan

durkadurka wrote: »

4 home games and away to connacht. All depends on heineken qf i think. If they win the qf they might take their eyes off the ball.

Rightly so tbf. I expect 4 home wins regardless but if a HEC SF comes around the league run will suffer. If we don't make the SF we have no excuse for not topping the league.

Anyway Leinster are all but into the playoffs already.

thomond2006

I've never been more excited about the ML run-in, no more dead rubbers.

The Welsh race for the HEC adds to the interest too.

frankie2shoes

Is this match being televised?
And if so anyone any idea where I could watch it in or around Ennis or even Limerick!!

thomond2006

Glasgow Warriors: 15 Bernardo Stortoni, 14 Hefin O'Hare, 13 Peter Murchie, 12 Peter Horne, 11 DTH van der Merwe, 10 Ruaridh Jackson, 9 Mark McMillan (captain), 8 Richie Vernon, 7 Calum Forrester, 6 James Eddie, 5 Daniel Turner, 4 Tim Barker, 3 Ed Kalman, 2 Dougie Hall, 1 Jon Welsh.

Replacements: 16 Fergus Thomson, 17 Moray Low, 18 Rob Harley, 19 Chris Fusaro, 20 Colin Gregor, 21 Dave McCall, 22 Chris Kinloch.

Podge_irl

frankie2shoes wrote: »

Is this match being televised?
And if so anyone any idea where I could watch it in or around Ennis or even Limerick!!

Don't think it is.

siltirocker

thomond2006 wrote: »

Is this game not on TV? It's not mentioned on the Broadcast Schedule on the ML site...

http://www.magnersleague.com/matchcentre/table.php

Leinster's Run-in (in order):

Warriors (h)
Connacht (h)
Munster (a)
Ospreys (h)
Warriors (a)
Edinburgh (h)

Connacht (a) - Date TBC

IMO Leinster have a nice run-in to the playoffs, you'd have to fancy them to get at least 5 wins from 7. That should give them a home semi-final.

Granted most of these are home fixtures but i reckon that's pretty much the strongest run-in a team could have in the league atm IMO. Bare Connacht at home 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th in the league just behind them.

That's like Man U having Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and erm, Burnley(/Connacht). (In a certain light) .

PhatPiggins

thomond2006 wrote: »

I've never been more excited about the ML run-in, no more dead rubbers.

The Welsh race for the HEC adds to the interest too.

I've never seen the Welsh so disinterested in the ML to be honest. Scarlets and Cardiff dont give seem to give a rats. Ospreys should hang in for a playoff spot but I wouldn't be surprised if they fell away. The Dragons in fairness to them are giving it a real go in every game, great attitude at that club.

Podge_irl

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I've never seen the Welsh so disinterested in the ML to be honest. Scarlets and Cardiff dont give seem to give a rats.

Nonsense. They're just crap.

PhatPiggins

Podge_irl wrote: »

Nonsense. They're just crap.

Dont agree, there's no comparison between their HC and ML perfomances.
They just dont seem to care.

Podge_irl

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Dont agree, there's no comparison between their HC and ML perfomances.
They just dont seem to care.

Ah here, did you see Scarlets performances against Leinster in the HEC? They were bloody shocking. The Blues managed to lose to Sale, who are awful this year. They won a game at home against Toulouse, but sure Glasgow beat Toulouse away last year. Like Glasgow they couldn't keep that kind of performance up. Ultimately only the Ospreys qualified and that was as runner-up - and they're doing fine in the ML.

I simply don't buy this "they don't care" line. I just think they lack the squads to compete in the ML - i.e., I don't think they're good enough. One of the Blues, Scarlets or the Dragons will miss out on HEC rugby next year due to their place in the ML. That will have a massive impact financially for the club and personally for the players who will be missing out on the top level of European rugby and it could hamper their chances of gaining international honours. They have every reason in the world to take the ML seriously, they're just incapable of performing better.

Also, nearly all the sides in the ML at the moment are bloody good sides. It's not like it's easy to go to Edinburgh or Glasgow and win, and I certainly think Munster and Leinster are better than the Welsh sides no matter how seriously they take it.

anonymous_joe

I only recognise about four or so names in that Glasgow lineup.

Hype710

LEINSTER:

15: Girvan Dempsey
14: Simon Keogh
13: Eoin O'Malley
12: Fergus McFadden
11: Isa Nacewa
10: Shaun Berne
9: Paul O'Donohoe

1: CJ van der Linde
2: Bernard Jackman CAPTAIN
3: Mike Ross
4: Devin Toner
5: Malcolm O'Kelly
6: Kevin McLaughlin
7: Paul Ryan
8: Stephen Keogh

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Richardt Strauss
17: Stan Wright
18: Trevor Hogan
19: Eoin Sheriff
20: Chris Keane
21: Ian Madigan
22: Michael Keating

danthefan

Not bad, should be plenty good enough for the win.

irishbucsfan

danthefan wrote: »

Not bad, should be plenty good enough for the win.

Fingers crossed.

This Glasgow team seems extremely weak.

Any word on Dave Kearney or Shane Horgan? Or are they just rested?

thomond2006

Hype710 wrote: »

LEINSTER:

15: Girvan Dempsey
14: Simon Keogh
13: Eoin O'Malley
12: Fergus McFadden
11: Isa Nacewa
10: Shaun Berne
9: Paul O'Donohoe

1: CJ van der Linde
2: Bernard Jackman CAPTAIN
3: Mike Ross
4: Devin Toner
5: Malcolm O'Kelly
6: Kevin McLaughlin
7: Paul Ryan
8: Stephen Keogh

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Richardt Strauss
17: Stan Wright
18: Trevor Hogan
19: Eoin Sheriff
20: Chris Keane
21: Ian Madigan
22: Michael Keating

Finally Ross gets a start although CJ at loosehead?

Podge_irl

thomond2006 wrote: »

Finally Ross gets a start although CJ at loosehead?

Who cares! Ross gets a well deserved start - hope he makes the most of it.

Leinster have no backrow cover on the bench...but I don't think they actually have any other backrowers left between injuries, internationals and the U20s.

P_1

Is there any coverage of this match tomorrow? I know S(h)itanta prefer to show underperforming English football teams of a Thursday evening. Is there even any radio coverage of this match?

Mr.Applepie

Who is Eoin Sherrif? I've never heard of him before

Podge_irl

Eoin Sherrif is a lock. I know nothing about him.

This game isn't on TV. They are showing the Munster game instead.

Hippo

Jackman as captain? Strange reward for a very average effort this season.

Ciaran-Irl

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

Who is Eoin Sherrif? I've never heard of him before

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/academyprofiles.php?player=77792&includeref=dynamic

Haven't seen enough of him to make any sweeping judgments, but I have heard he is a good talent. More promising that Ciaran Ruddock for the 2nd row I would say.

Ciaran-Irl

Hippo wrote: »

Jackman as captain? Strange reward for a very average effort this season.

You don't pick a captain as a reward for performances, you pick a captain for his leadership and for his ability to make decisions during the game.

Hippo

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

You don't pick a captain as a reward for performances, you pick a captain for his leadership and for his ability to make decisions during the game.

Perhaps 'reward' was the wrong word. I can't say I've ever noticed Birch's 'leadership' or 'ability to make decisions during the game', other than recently to give away brainless penalties, while at the same time looking miles behind the pace of play. And yes, I know, he managed a try in the last match.

Ciaran-Irl

Hippo wrote: »

Perhaps 'reward' was the wrong word. I can't say I've ever noticed Birch's 'leadership' or 'ability to make decisions during the game', other than recently to give away brainless penalties, while at the same time looking miles behind the pace of play. And yes, I know, he managed a try in the last match.

I agree with you that he gives away too many penalties and is past the pace of top standard HEC games, and you didn't even have to mention that he has forgotten the art of throwing straight balls from out of touch ... But he is more than up to Glasgow A's at home I reckon.

It would be hard to pick a captain from the 15 being played other than Jackman. Who has leadership qualities from that 15? Jackman is massively respected in the squad. He is a coach for Clontarf even, so you can be sure he can motivate the players. I would suggest Leo, Jennings, BOD, Heaslip, Horgan in that order (for Leinster).

(For some reason, I've never been keen on the idea of Mal as a captain)

andrewdcs

very sad this isnt televised. I know we're spoiled for matches these days but cmon, I know many who'd pay a couple of bob to grab a stream of the Leinster site / Magners league, anything... *sigh*