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Irish Inter-club XC championships

  • 07-03-2010 05:07PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭


    Held today in Phoenix Park.

    Linda Byrne takes her first title, while Siobhan O'Doherty took second and Annette Kealy third.

    Mark Kenneally takes the men's title, Thornton second and Murray third. O'Neill was fourth, and, interestingly, Thomas Chamney beat off a couple of mroe established XC runners, like O'Brien adn Clohessy.

    Travers delights the home crowd with a Junior men's win.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Did anybody else see Stewart on the course today. :D

    Just getting to uploading my pics now, but should be appearing soon...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    Race report and results on Athletics Ireland website...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Pictures from the Junior Womens race now uploaded.



    Edit: Bah, something not right on the link there. If you do a search on that page for "juniorwomen" then the pictures do come up though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Great for Kenneally to get his first national cross title. Clonliffe men with 7 in a row - surely second now only to the great Donore teams as regards domination of the event.

    Edit: Forgot to add we should now call this the Dublin Inter-Clubs as 10 of the 12 team prizes went to Dublin clubs. Granted its hosted in Dublin but that won't matter. Dick Hooper article in Irish Runners talks a lot of sense. To those non-Dublin clubs who entered and scored with 4, fair play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭emerald007




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Kiptanui


    The national inter clubs has lost its stature as the premium cross country event of the calander. This needs to be recognised and addressed. Today there were 55 finishers in the junior events. Both Intermediate and senior schools for both girls and guys will have more than this next saturday.

    With places up for grabs on the European team the inter counties is now the focus of the domestic calander. This is logical as athletes can aspire to being competitive in the Euro Cross and this is annual. The world cross is every second year and teams may or may not be sent so the committment is not there to the nationals.

    Fair play to Mark Kenneally - he's a warrior.
    Fair play to Chris Cariss for taking the annual Ryanair flight. Pity Josephat Boit couldn't make the party.

    It is a great Clonliffe team, fair play to them. Did any of them ever don the clonliffe singlet as juniors or were they all recruited to the sport in their 20's??;)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    What club is this?

    4414313225_0b6714ab07.jpg

    I'm sure I've seen them some where before, but I cannot read their tops and none of those wearing that vest appear in the program from today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Kiptanui


    This athlete is Mary Margaret Meade from North Belfast Harriers.

    In her youth she ran in the colours of North Cork and was coached by Fr Liam Kelleher. Great to see her participating and running quite well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Kiptanui wrote: »
    Fair play to Mark Kenneally - he's a warrior.
    Fair play to Chris Cariss for taking the annual Ryanair flight. Pity Josephat Boit couldn't make the party.

    It is a great Clonliffe team, fair play to them. Did any of them ever don the clonliffe singlet as juniors or were they all recruited to the sport in their 20's??;)

    Cool, I thought my justified gloating of the Magnificent 7 would get a reaction from you;) Bring back Dave Taylor I hear you cry....

    Chris was on here on boards last year in person explaining his position and his reason for running for Clonliffe and Ireland. Pretty admirable if I can remember. If you didn't read it, pity it was inspiring. He was obviously there today and if you were there you could have mentioned your issues with his running for Clonliffe (thats if I am reading you right and you have issues) to him after the race. Chris is as much a warrior as Kenneally if you know the background.

    Don't think any of the Clonliffe scorers ran as juniors. Is that a prerequisite, I'm not sure? You might want to check the rulebooks there on that one. I know we could go down the route of the Raheny philosophy of one club, one life, one shot whatever that Eminem song is that is blared out when the three wise men arrive to the scene of the next great 4 leafed Shamrock that is lucky enough to be born under a bush in St Annes, but hey, where is the craic in that.

    While you are checking if running as a junior is needed to run for a club as a senior and are getting bogged down in rules and constitutions and that lark, maybe click on the below for some light musical accompaniment to help pass the time!



    If you look closely at the pic that is Kenneally on the horse in the middle, with the rest of the mercernaries and hired gunmen brought in to help stop the unruly Mexicans (Raheny) from overrunning that small town with the lovely bell tower making up the rest of the numbers. Only difference is the horses would be pie-balds on hire from Ballymun.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Kiptanui wrote: »
    This athlete is Mary Margaret Meade from North Belfast Harriers.

    In her youth she ran in the colours of North Cork and was coached by Fr Liam Kelleher. Great to see her participating and running quite well.

    Do you think it would be better for MMM to be running for North Cork and maybe inspring the many kids down there instead of plying her trade with North Belfast, a club she never ran for as a junior?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Kiptanui


    Tingle wrote: »
    Do you think it would be better for MMM to be running for North Cork and maybe inspring the many kids down there instead of plying her trade with North Belfast, a club she never ran for as a junior?

    Mary Margaret has resided in Belfast for quite some time now so she can run there without any query from you or me. She lives in Belfast and runs for a club there. End of. North Cork AC is not in existance any more so your point (once again) is totally irrelevant.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Kiptanui wrote: »
    This athlete is Mary Margaret Meade from North Belfast Harriers.

    In her youth she ran in the colours of North Cork and was coached by Fr Liam Kelleher. Great to see her participating and running quite well.

    Thanks for that, resolves a few unknown runners that I needed to tag the clubs for.

    I've still got another pile of pictures to go through yet, but I've had enough for today so the rest of the senior mens pictures will have to wait until I get round to them tomorrow some time. For now there is this lot though:

    Junior Women
    Junior Men
    Senior Women
    Senior Men


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭Stupid_Private


    robinph wrote: »
    Thanks for that, resolves a few unknown runners that I needed to tag the clubs for.

    I've still got another pile of pictures to go through yet, but I've had enough for today so the rest of the senior mens pictures will have to wait until I get round to them tomorrow some time. For now there is this lot though:

    Junior Women
    Junior Men
    Senior Women
    Senior Men

    Great stuff Robinph - some of them starting shots are deadly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Kiptanui wrote: »
    Mary Margaret has resided in Belfast for quite some time now so she can run there without any query from you or me. She lives in Belfast and runs for a club there. End of. North Cork AC is not in existance any more so your point (once again) is totally irrelevant.

    Ok, fair enough, thats fine, just seemed a little inconsistent with some of your opinions and I know you are a stickler (with me anyway) for consistent arguments:p So MM is untouchable but CC is fair game to have a pop at? She lives in the UK too.

    Did you like the You Tube embed. Gloating about Clonliffe and taking the p*ss out of Clonliffe at the same time. I really enjoyed it even though I posted it myself. I am replaying the music over and over again and reading the thread.

    PS: Just trying to get a bit of craic around here, its been dead here of late!!!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Great stuff Robinph - some of them starting shots are deadly.

    I do have a few shots of you, but they will have to wait for now so don't feel left out. ;)



    I did catch one of the clubs practicing their syncronised dance routine:

    4414344283_28a84d3b0b.jpg

    A couple of the lads really were not paying attention to the instructions though and kept on facing the wrong way. They will never make it onto Ireland's Got Talent* with that kind of team work. :D

    * TV program may not exist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    some of them starting shots are deadly.

    Yes, very Braveheart-esque.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Kiptanui


    Tingle wrote: »
    Cool, I thought my justified gloating of the Magnificent 7 would get a reaction from you;) Bring back Dave Taylor I hear you cry....

    Chris was on here on boards last year in person explaining his position and his reason for running for Clonliffe and Ireland. Pretty admirable if I can remember. If you didn't read it, pity it was inspiring. He was obviously there today and if you were there you could have mentioned your issues with his running for Clonliffe (thats if I am reading you right and you have issues) to him after the race. Chris is as much a warrior as Kenneally if you know the background.

    Don't think any of the Clonliffe scorers ran as juniors. Is that a prerequisite, I'm not sure? You might want to check the rulebooks there on that one. I know we could go down the route of the Raheny philosophy of one club, one life, one shot whatever that Eminem song is that is blared out when the three wise men arrive to the scene of the next great 4 leafed Shamrock that is lucky enough to be born under a bush in St Annes, but hey, where is the craic in that.

    While you are checking if running as a junior is needed to run for a club as a senior and are getting bogged down in rules and constitutions and that lark, maybe click on the below for some light musical accompaniment to help pass the time!



    If you look closely at the pic that is Kenneally on the horse in the middle, with the rest of the mercernaries and hired gunmen brought in to help stop the unruly Mexicans (Raheny) from overrunning that small town with the lovely bell tower making up the rest of the numbers. Only difference is the horses would be pie-balds on hire from Ballymun.

    I never mentioned Raheny, have no allegiance to them so your jibes at them have no impact on me!! As gracious as ever I see but nobody would expect any more from you. Just your humour again I suppose (many would call it nonsense but hey, each to their own)

    I don't have to trawl the results of yesteryear to tell you that none of the A team ran for clonliffe as juniors. Its not a pre-requisite so well done in the transfer market!!

    I know about Cariss and his misfortune in the Bradford fire. He is a decent athlete but has as much connection with Clonliffe as you have with Belgrave Harriers!! He does come over once a year though, do the job. I have no beef with him. There is a recession out there. You have to get a few quid where you can .....

    When I think of Clonliffe distance runners I think of Noel Cullen or Noel Harvey. Killian Lonergan too. Not someone who runs one race a year for them. Or someone with no allegiance but still runs for them from a base in Clonmel?

    Maybe play your youtube clip on a thursday night in santry with Chris Cariss, Sergio and Josephat Boit are storming round the track. Or maybe look up at the sky for a blue moon - there's more chance of seeing one of them!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Condo131


    Tingle wrote: »
    Do you think it would be better for MMM to be running for North Cork and maybe inspring the many kids down there instead of plying her trade with North Belfast, a club she never ran for as a junior?
    Unfortunately, afaik, North Cork AC is no more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I'm glad to see someone is still passionate about the inter clubs. It is time for a revamp. Small fields in what should be our prestige event shows the timing of the event is not working.The inter counties are now the bigger event. While there were good winners in all events there was no strength in depth. The junior womans field was particularly poor, speaking of which someone needs their ass kicked for allowing a 14 yr old to compete, win and then get disqualified for being too young. Poor form from her coach and officials.
    I would have had reservations in the past about athletes like Chris Cariss. However I was impressed by his posts here last year. He came across very well and seemed genuine in his motivation. It's easy to sling mud but at least he showed up unlike most of our top athletes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Kiptanui


    Tingle wrote: »
    Ok, fair enough, thats fine, just seemed a little inconsistent with some of your opinions and I know you are a stickler (with me anyway) for consistent arguments:p So MM is untouchable but CC is fair game to have a pop at? She lives in the UK too.

    Clubs anywhere on the Island of Ireland are eligible to compete in the Inter Clubs. CC and MM are totally different cases. Pointing out that she lives in the UK is ridiculous. She runs for her local club who are eligible to compete. I'm also sure it won't be another year before she dons the club singlet again!!

    As I said, not having a pop at CC. When all is said and done its a days work for a days pay. Its a recession, I have no problem with that. Athletes have to make ends meet too.

    Enjoy the win! Congrats to all concerned but I'm sure the staunch Clonliffe members would prefer to have the likes of Derek Watters and Shane Dowler landing the spoils rather than CC and co?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Kiptanui


    I would have had reservations in the past about athletes like Chris Cariss. However I was impressed by his posts here last year. He came across very well and seemed genuine in his motivation. It's easy to sling mud but at least he showed up unlike most of our top athletes.

    The reason many of our top athletes didn't show up is that this event is no longer a priority. Perhaps the calander could be changed and the Inter clubs run before christmas instead of the inter counties as the Euro Cross trial? That way it would deservedly be the highest profile domestic cross country event again. You cant blame the athletes either. Hazel Murphy, Deirdre Byrne or Mary Cullen were never going to run today for example.And could you blame them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Kiptanui wrote: »
    I never mentioned Raheny, have no allegiance to them so your jibes at them have no impact on me!! As gracious as ever I see but nobody would expect any more from you. Just your humour again I suppose (many would call it nonsense but hey, each to their own)

    I don't have to trawl the results of yesteryear to tell you that none of the A team ran for clonliffe as juniors. Its not a pre-requisite so well done in the transfer market!!

    I know about Cariss and his misfortune in the Bradford fire. He is a decent athlete but has as much connection with Clonliffe as you have with Belgrave Harriers!! He does come over once a year though, do the job. I have no beef with him. There is a recession out there. You have to get a few quid where you can .....

    When I think of Clonliffe distance runners I think of Noel Cullen or Noel Harvey. Killian Lonergan too. Not someone who runs one race a year for them. Or someone with no allegiance but still runs for them from a base in Clonmel?

    Maybe play your youtube clip on a thursday night in santry with Chris Cariss, Sergio and Josephat Boit are storming round the track. Or maybe look up at the sky for a blue moon - there's more chance of seeing one of them!!:D

    I know you aren't Raheny, I wasn't trying to have a jibe. I don't know any of the Raheny distance lads but know a few of the sprinters. We have great craic slagging each other, all very friendly (and juvenile:eek:) and much along the lines of what I had here.

    Look, I know you think I am juvenile and have a very immature sense of humour. I do and I know you don't get it. I am an idiot, a messer, a clown and I don't take things too seriously (well most of the time). Interestingly, the things I have a big gra for - Clonliffe and sprinters - really don't float your boat so we clash.

    I won't play Magificent 7 next Thursday but will play this song at your suggestion as I wait at the clubhouse waiting for the boys to arrive in their hire car. Its the Chris Isaak version, I think you'll like it. Kinda sombre and grown up.



    PS: I could play the Man City version but that would raise similarities to a club 'paying' for success and we don't want to do that, do we;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    Kiptanui wrote: »

    Clonliffe members would prefer to have the likes of Derek Watters and Shane Dowler landing the spoils rather than CC and co?

    There's 2 blasts from the past. They were a couple of years ahead of me but when I was 15/16 I was in awe of those 2 lads. Pity they fell away as they were both great runners.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Kiptanui wrote: »

    As I said, not having a pop at CC. When all is said and done its a days work for a days pay. Its a recession, I have no problem with that. Athletes have to make ends meet too.

    Dude, you are taking this too personally saying that CC is mainly doing this for money yet claiming you ain't having a pop, all juvenile joking aside. At least I don't pretend to be mature or gracious about this. Just let it go, its only sport and to say he runs for Clonliffe to make ends meet, I don't know, sad.

    I'm off to bed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    The junior womans field was particularly poor, speaking of which someone needs their ass kicked for allowing a 14 yr old to compete, win and then get disqualified for being too young. Poor form from her coach and officials.

    Yes very much so.

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2010/0307/crosscountry_kenneallym_byrnel.html
    Controversy reigned in the junior women's event, where Siofra Clerigh Buttner of Dundrum South Dublin Athletic Club led the field a merry dance only to be disqualified when it was discovered that at the tender age of 14 she was too young to compete in this competition over 6,000 metres.

    It is understood that Clerigh Buttner was not on the original DSD team sheet as club officials understood that she was not eligible for the event. She was only added to the team on the morning of the race.

    If they knew she was in eligible then they shouldn't have entered her in on the day. She was also wearing the number of a team mate on the official startlist, whether that was an accident or not. Deprived Mary Mulhare the chance of 'winning' the race and standing on top of the podium.

    Can't wait for the Joe Duffy Show this afternoon to hear about this one.........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Airmail 1


    Tingle are you for real? 'She lives in the UK too.' Are you deliberately trying to wind people up here in the North. Get a grip, Belfast is as much Irish, in my eyes, as Cork or Dublin. Stop trying to be divisive!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    Airmail 1 wrote: »
    Tingle are you for real? 'She lives in the UK too.' Are you deliberately trying to wind people up here in the North. Get a grip, Belfast is as much Irish, in my eyes, as Cork or Dublin. Stop trying to be divisive!

    I wasn't being serious. Apologies if you took me up wrong, wasn't trying to be divisive on that topic, I think the athletics approach to Northern Ireland is a good one, athletes can choose who they want to compete with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭echat


    Anyone know why the schools/colleges and inter-clubs are being held only 6 days apart, bound to have affected yesterday's turnout. Nice course and very well organised yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭aburke


    Tingle wrote: »
    Edit: Forgot to add we should now call this the Dublin Inter-Clubs as 10 of the 12 team prizes went to Dublin clubs. Granted its hosted in Dublin but that won't matter.
    No thanks Tingle, We're happy enough for it to remain a National event.
    Tingle wrote: »
    To those non-Dublin clubs who entered and scored with 4, fair play.
    Thanks!
    Kiptanui wrote: »
    The national inter clubs has lost its stature as the premium cross country event of the calander. This needs to be recognised and addressed.
    Agreed. At all levels of the field there was a lack of depth - top middle and bottom.
    Kiptanui wrote: »
    With places up for grabs on the European team the inter counties is now the focus of the domestic calander. This is logical as athletes can aspire to being competitive in the Euro Cross and this is annual. The world cross is every second year and teams may or may not be sent so the committment is not there to the nationals.
    In the mens, 109 Finishers yesterday vs 131 Finishers in Kilbeggan. Not a huge difference in numbers participating.
    Kiptanui wrote: »
    The reason many of our top athletes didn't show up is that this event is no longer a priority. Perhaps the calander could be changed and the Inter clubs run before christmas instead of the inter counties as the Euro Cross trial? That way it would deservedly be the highest profile domestic cross country event again. You cant blame the athletes either. Hazel Murphy, Deirdre Byrne or Mary Cullen were never going to run today for example.And could you blame them?

    I don't know why the top guys aren't taking part.
    The top 3 in the Adare 10km yesterday would not have been out of place in Dublin yesterday. Liam Reale and Rosemary Ryan won the respective events there.

    From my own club perspective - we managed to get a mens team out by
    a) Threats
    b) Not revealing how fast the race was :-)

    People are happy to represent our club - but don't fancy being lapped.
    A 3 km or even 4 km loop would avoid that, but it much harder to stage that event then. I've stated before that the English XC is a mass participation event, about 1500 runners.
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62681200#post62681200

    It might be time for me to 'piss or get off the pot' and see whether the AAI would really want an event of this size for this race, or would they prefer 50 fast lads and leave the likes of me out of it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Tingle wrote: »
    Yes very much so.

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2010/0307/crosscountry_kenneallym_byrnel.html



    If they knew she was in eligible then they shouldn't have entered her in on the day. She was also wearing the number of a team mate on the official startlist, whether that was an accident or not. Deprived Mary Mulhare the chance of 'winning' the race and standing on top of the podium.

    Can't wait for the Joe Duffy Show this afternoon to hear about this one.........

    This could be to do with the tightening down on age groups over the past cross country season. I know their team for the Novices was sent back when first sent in as a result of many of the team being too young. This could be seen as a way to get around the bureacracy
    I can understand this when it comes to the juvenile ages where an athlete cannot skip up two age groups as hey still have the opportunity to run in their own age and the age above but in relation to this i dont feel the rule should stand when it denies athletes entry to a race due to what can only be described as ageism as her ability shows she was perfectly able to compete at that level. We should be encouraging our athletes to participate no shunning them.
    Take this athlete for example if she goes on to the international level it will have ramifications on her views of the race, thus creating a vicious cycle of the race losing its high class reputation as in the past, one which many of the people in the sport (and here) wish to restore it to its original glory


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