Rimfire fun

bunny shooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTgjtn625zo&feature=channel

Not a chance here :rolleyes:

dCorbus

thanks bunny

Why not here?

(Apart from the shooting sideways through a hole in a wall - a useful skill I do find myself:)) didn't see anything particularly "tactical" or "dynamic" :rolleyes: in anything there - Standing, Prone, Timed, & Precision, all available to the Irish target shooter AFAIK.

Or was it the gorgeous sunny weather and the shooting in t-shirts you were referring to?:D

bunny shooter

erm...................not bullseye ? "tactical" ?



Can we? .................. do ya reckon? ................ can we ?

dCorbus

not sure I'm following ya 100%, bunny:)

erm...................not bullseye ? "tactical" ?

i am.

Or did I miss something on the vid that appealed to your darker and more.....shall i say....practical side??:D:rolleyes:

bunny shooter

Well it's called tactical rimfire defo gonna be banned then :rolleyes:

Target were like clay pigeons therefore not paper :rolleyes:

Or am I reading too much into the new ban

dCorbus

Target were like clay pigeons therefore not paper

Or am I reading too much into the new ban

AFAIK I think you may indeed be reading too much into the ban.
Nowhere (Again, AFAIK, and I stand ready and willing to be corrected on this) is there a requirement for the targets used to be paper only.;)

Otherwise the Clay Pigeon shooters would be rightly buggered along with the rest of us!:D;)

(What with the tactical and military applications for shooting bits of paper, plastic, and, oh my god Nooooooooooo........moving objects projected in a variable field of fire along variable and rapidly interchangeable ballistic flightpaths, trajectories, and positions of dispersal to be engaged primarily in a series of rapidly-adjusting firing-positions and locations using semi-automatic and/or multi-barrelled multiple-unit cartridge fire):D:D:D:D;):rolleyes:

Or some other nonsensical tacticool psuedo-military gibberish:rolleyes:

Sparks

Whatever about the words used lads, from the sentiments expressed by the PTB, your feet wouldn't touch the floor if you tried that...

dCorbus

Tried what? sparks:D



Did you have a look at the vid? As I said, maybe I'm missing something? Looked pretty much like a mix-em gather-em of gallery, target, and silhouette shooting all rolled into one. Apart from the "combat" style clothing and the use of one hole-in-a-wall, I couldn't see anything particularly "tactical" to what was on the vid. Just coz one calls it "tactical", doesn't mean it is.

Sparks

Yup, looked at it. The minute the DoJ saw the timer, the hole-in-the-wall stuff or the word 'tactical', you'd be in trouble.

bunny shooter

I agree with dCorbus BUT I stangely agree with Sparks too :eek:

We could loose the timer, the hole in the wall stuff and the word "t*****al" and then ...........

dCorbus

Yup, looked at it. The minute the DoJ saw the timer, the hole-in-the-wall stuff or the word 'tactical', you'd be in trouble.

The timer - hmmmmm.......now let me think......when have i ever had a limited amount of time to fire a specific number of rounds to score? hmmmmmm;) A digital timing mechanism on a range? Good god, can't ever see that being allowed.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

The hole-in-the-wall stuff - accepted, that bit was a wee bit "practical" (but not really practical).

The word "tactical" - you'd want to be a right pillock to call anything "tactical" here - even if it wasn't very tactical.

So not tactical, not practical.....where'd be the problem?:cool:
(As I said earlier - a cross between gallery, silhouette, and 3p sporter rifle - frankly sounds like a barrel of enjoyment and a great days shooting to me):D

dCorbus

OMG

I stangely agree with Sparks too

:eek::eek::eek:

first bunny starts to go all issf - and now agreeing with sparks
Welcome to the Dark Side, Young Jedi :rolleyes:

Sparks

dCorbus wrote: »

where'd be the problem?

Succinctly? The DoJ, specifically the Minister. You run something like that, he sees it as you flouting his authority. And you know what FF are like about that...

Grizzly 45

No" humanoid" targets,no running from any shooting position to another.No dreadful Semi auto full bore CF pistols.A TIMER...shock horror.OMG!!!The ULTIMATE tactical giveaway!!:rolleyes:.Ehm last time I shot a sitting bog standard.22 target competition.Somone was using a TIMER for the timing of the five minutes required for the five shots..
Prone shooting ...well looks more useful and realistic than being a contortionist for F class??
All in all about as tactical as shooting a combo of Iron chicken and gallery.:rolleyes:.

Same way to sort this out with the biathalon,run a match and see what the response is.
Then proably take the whole thing to court and actually what a defination of what exactly "combat shooting " is.

dCorbus

Succinctly, FF can kiss my lily white buttocks.:D

(Just realised something: Anyone else notice a resemblence between Cartman and a certain minister for ilhealth?:rolleyes::D Is it just me.....it's late, I know)

But, yep, I suppose you may be right.
Although........;)

I'm not 100% sure I agree with you on your interpretation of what would or would not be allowed in a combined 3-discipline target shooting event, as that's all such an event would be. Nothing more, nothing less.

- 3-position Sporter-type Target Shooting
- Gallery Rifle
- Silhouette

None of the above are in any way "problematic" AFAIK.

I'll just remember not to pack my combat trousers that day. (ohhhhhhh......they're a nice scary covert ops black - but I do have a rather snazzy pair of BDU Camo Overtrousers which I think would look rather dashing):rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Sparks

dCorbus wrote: »

Succinctly, FF can kiss my lily white buttocks.

Yes, that'd work...

I'm not 100% sure I agree with you on your interpretation of what would or would not be allowed

It's not really interpretation when you've been told outright that a hard line is being taken and that semantic games won't be tolerated.
Give it an election, and hopefully we'll see a change...

dCorbus

a hard line is being taken

.....but as stated, none of the activities suggested are in any way problematic.

semantic games won't be tolerated

No semantics involved.

At all.

Otherwise, sparks, there's some little pink piggies that would be in trouble;)

I do believe that you on occasion yourself have been known to shoot competitively in a multi-positional multiple-discipline target shooting timed precision event? And with multiple-firearms.:rolleyes:

Sparks

dCorbus wrote: »

.....but as stated, none of the activities suggested are in any way problematic.

.....to us. Who, sadly, matter not a damn in the Minister's mind. And that's the only obstacle to be honest. All the crap we're wading through right now can be traced back to that one spot. And because of that, none of the logical arguments, none of the concerns about fairness, none of the common sense really apply

bunny shooter

So we gotta get someone to shaft another minister :cool:

Can't be that hard two have already been shafted with little or no hassle/effort

Only problem with a change of government is that Deasy might get minister for injustice

SD308

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Prone shooting ...well looks more useful and realistic than being a contortionist for F class??

Not trying to go off topic with this, I know it was only a side note in trying to get your point across, but I feel the need to clarify the above statement for the benefit of anyone not familiar with F-Class who might be reading this thread.

There is no "contortionism" required for F-Class shooting. You simple lie down behind the rifle in the prone position with the rifle supported on either a front rest for the F-Open category, or a bi-pod for the F-TR category.

I think you might be mixing F-Class up with Target Rifle or Palma as its known in the US.

Anyway, as I said, it’s not important to the overall theme of this thread but I just wanted to clarify that point.


Stephen.

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clivej

BunnyShooter never mind a Fox Shoot this is the sort of thing to get going.
It could be run out on the Windmill range out of everyones way.

http://www.6mmbr.com/rimfiretactical.html

bunny shooter

Clive I'm way ahead of ya

Will have to make out a course of fire and get approval from range first though.

Anyone here got some ideas ?

Nice link Clive

We will have to drop "Tactical" from the title though

clivej

bunny shooter wrote: »

Clive I'm way ahead of ya

Will have to make out a course of fire and get approval from range first though.

Anyone here got some ideas ?

Nice link Clive

We will have to drop "Tactical" from the title though

Good on ya Bunny. I'll give up all the help I can to get this set up.

I printed out the all details from the link I put up. The only thing a can't make out is which posisions were shot from prone and which from free standing.

bunny shooter

clivej wrote: »

Good on ya Bunny.

Summer is coming and I need something to look forward to and well it might hone my bunny shooting skills

clivej wrote: »

I'll give up all the help I can to get this set up.

:cool: More heads and input the better

clivej wrote: »

I printed out the all details from the link I put up.

Just done same. Away to study it now

clivej wrote: »

The only thing a can't make out is which posisions were shot from prone and which from free standing.

We can adapt it to what we want/can do

Vegeta

Rimfire Field Target

There's your name

Bananaman

Sparks wrote: »

Yup, looked at it. The minute the DoJ saw the timer, the hole-in-the-wall stuff or the word 'tactical', you'd be in trouble.

I'm not advocating that anyone test the water with this but a few points need to be made

Firstly if you have a semi 22 rifle and want some competition NASRPC already run Gallery Rifle competitions in a number of disciplines most months and are even running a postal competition tis year - go give them a try.

that will save you having to try and setup a new discipline which the denizens of boards have already labelled as 'bold'.

As to some of the 'terms' used in this thread.

a) Hole In the wall = baffle
I have seen plenty of ranges where, especially rifle, is fired through pipes or 'letter boxes' in order to limit the field of fire of the shooter, hence baffling them.

b) Tactical = marketing
In this context the word tactical is just window dressing.
The word tactical - in my mind - indicates that you have to solve an evolving problem - come up with a one off short term solution to a problem.

I do not know any form of target shooting where that is true.
They are all predictable targets
Even in the dreaded 'practical' - the stages are always that same for every competitor in the match - you get a walk through and you have to decide on the fastest way to get the highest points but the challenge does not change from one person to the next - you do not have to react to a evolving problem - you just have to shoot the targets from the same shooting positions you practiced on the walk through - like any other form of target shooting.
Clay shooting, due to the weather has a degree of variability to the target presentation or the discipline e.g. ABT but you are still in essence shooting at a predictable target
Therefore the word 'tactical' is just a marketing tool - quite favoured by the americans - a bit like 'Olympic' - plenty of people do what is referred to as 'Olympic' shooting who have not nor never will take part in the Olympics - it's just branding.
(not to say that the 'idontlikethesoundodat' rule would not be applied)
If it is the word 'tactical' that attracts you to something then you can be pretty sure that is reason enough to not do it.

c) The ban - the ban is on 'combat training'
In my mind this involves training for combat - namely where people are shooting at you.
Again that is not an aspect of any form of target shooting that is or was practiced in Ireland, including IPSC - the PTB may not agree with me but that is what I believe.

B'Man

Sparks

Bananaman wrote: »

a new discipline which the denizens of boards have already labelled as 'bold'

Not the denizens of boards, unless you count the DoJ who read here. This is something we were explicitly told, not something we agree with or are making up. You understand where I'm coming from here?

it's just branding.
(not to say that the 'idontlikethesoundodat' rule would not be applied)

Hammer, meet nail. That's the basis for half the daft rules we have to follow, but so long as they issue the licences, that's the game we're stuck in. Doesn't mean we like it, but does mean we need to know the rules.

bunny shooter

Vegeta wrote: »

Rimfire Field Target

There's your name

On that note paper targets of rabbits crows etc could be used :cool:

bunny shooter

Bananaman wrote: »

.......................Firstly if you have a semi 22 rifle and want some competition NASRPC already run Gallery Rifle competitions in a number of disciplines most months and are even running a postal competition tis year - go give them a try............

I have a C/A 452, which as you are aware is a bolt action

Gallery rifle is not shot in Midlands, where I am a member, afaik

I would see this as more a bit of fun with a few prizes more so than a "competition".

I also wouldn't see this as a threat to Gallery rifle shooting tbh so no need for you to panic :P

Bananaman wrote: »

.......................that will save you having to try and setup a new discipline...........

Maybe something "new" might not be a bad thing as "variety is the spice of life"

I foresee this as a mix of prone, silhoeutte and gallery rifle shooting based on the type of shooting I do when hunting bunnies

And Vegeta has come up with a brilliant name which covers it brilliantly

clivej

bunny shooter wrote: »

I have a C/A 452, which as you are aware is a bolt action

Gallery rifle is not shot in Midlands, where I am a member, afaik

I would see this as more a bit of fun with a few prizes more so than a "competition".

I also wouldn't see this as a threat to Gallery rifle shooting tbh so no need for you to panic :P



Maybe something "new" might not be a bad thing as "variety is the spice of life"

I foresee this as a mix of prone, silhoeutte and gallery rifle shooting based on the type of shooting I do when hunting bunnies

And Vegeta has come up with a brilliant name which covers it brilliantly

Are we allowed to have the words FUN and SHOOTING in the same post??????? :eek:

I got pulled up over that last week.


I can not see how this is bending any laws.

We will be shooting at targets at a target shooting range??

It would be a competition run at a range that holds/runs target shooting competitions??

bunny shooter

Right been thinking about this and what do ye think of this?

RIMFIRE FIELD TARGET COMPETITION

10 x rounds @ 50 yards standing - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 50 yards kneeling - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 50 yards prone - 5 minutes

10 x rounds @ 75 yards standing - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 75 yards kneeling - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 75 yards prone - 5 minutes

20 x rounds @ 100 yards prone - 10 minutes

20 x rounds @ 150 yards prone - 10 minutes


- Shot with .22lr (100 x rounds of ammo)
- Bipod/front rest, shooting sticks & slings allowed
- NO butt bags
- Sporter, Varmint & Open classes depending on numbers



CENTREFIRE FIELD TARGET COMPETITION

5 x rounds @ 75 yards standing - 10 minutes

5 x rounds @ 100 yards kneeling - 10 minutes

5 x rounds @ 200 yards prone - 10 minutes

5 x rounds @ 300 yards prone - 10 minutes


- Shot with (20 x rounds of ammo)
- Bipod/front rest, shooting sticks & slings allowed
- NO butt bags
- Sporter, Varmint & Open classes depending on numbers


All on this A4 size target - scored as 'inner red' (20), 'White' (10) & 'outer red' (5)

clivej

I was thinking more on the line of.

4 targets put out at 25, 50, 75 and 100 meters. 5 shots at each target in 1 minute with a reload allowed in between each target. Only ever 5 rounds in the mag at any time. Single shot rifles can be used. Shot prone.
This will test how well you know your rifles drop over different ranges.

Just the top of this target would do for each round. Don't mind the text on the target for now.



Then shoot again @50m prone but this time taking the text into account. 5 shots only in 1 minute.

Then go on to do standing shooting using the same type of target @50m.

dCorbus

bunny clivej - PM sent;)

bunny shooter

Anyone out there willing to do a bit of work on a proposed competition/s on the day/s ? PM me if preferred (some have already volunteered )

clivej

You have my hat in the ring already.

I'm doing a lot of tinking about this and realy tihnk it's a goer to run.

Will PM you later after college with some thoughts I have.

I may get a google doc going on this so we can put our ideas on paper together.

bunny shooter

Yes, you have already volunteered

dCorbus has some ideas too and is willing to help :cool:

Good idea we can throw all our ideas in the pot, cook 'em up and see what comes out

I reckon this has posibilities too

poulo6.5

bunny shooter wrote: »

Right been thinking about this and what do ye think of this?

RIMFIRE FIELD TARGET COMPETITION

10 x rounds @ 50 yards standing - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 50 yards kneeling - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 50 yards prone - 5 minutes

10 x rounds @ 75 yards standing - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 75 yards kneeling - 5 minutes
10 x rounds @ 75 yards prone - 5 minutes

20 x rounds @ 100 yards prone - 10 minutes

20 x rounds @ 150 yards prone - 10 minutes


- Shot with .22lr (100 x rounds of ammo)
- Bipod/front rest, shooting sticks & slings allowed
- NO butt bags
- Sporter, Varmint & Open classes depending on numbers



CENTREFIRE FIELD TARGET COMPETITION

5 x rounds @ 75 yards standing - 10 minutes

5 x rounds @ 100 yards kneeling - 10 minutes

5 x rounds @ 200 yards prone - 10 minutes

5 x rounds @ 300 yards prone - 10 minutes


- Shot with (20 x rounds of ammo)
- Bipod/front rest, shooting sticks & slings allowed
- NO butt bags
- Sporter, Varmint & Open classes depending on numbers


All on this A4 size target - scored as 'inner red' (20), 'White' (10) & 'outer red' (5)

that looks like fun

dCorbus

Oh, it will be (when all has been simmered nicely and comes to fruition in good time).:D

bunny shooter

dCorbus wrote: »

Oh, it will be (when all has been simmered nicely and comes to fruition in good time).:D

Lads this is being worked on by dCorbus, CliveJ and myself.

When it is finalised we will provide all details :cool:

It wasn't me!

bunny shooter wrote: »

Lads this is being worked on by dCorbus, CliveJ and myself.

When it is finalised we will provide all details :cool:

Looking forward to this. I'll have myself the use of a nice .22 sporter for the job too. Must have a look at that next time I get a chance and give it a clean-up and such.