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Joe stack

  • 05-03-2010 3:57am
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭


    A story that has all but disappeared from the MSM,

    Joe Stack wrote this
    Joe Stack wrote:
    If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

    We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

    While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

    Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

    And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

    How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

    How did I get here?

    My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

    The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

    That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

    Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

    On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

    The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

    In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

    Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer… and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

    For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

    SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

    (a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

    (d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

    (b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

    Note:

    · “another person” is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

    · “taxpayer” is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

    · “individual”, “employee”, or “worker” is you.

    Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

    During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

    After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

    Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

    Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a **** about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

    Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

    By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a **** about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

    To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

    So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

    When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to XXXX XXXX, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, XXXX knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

    This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

    I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy **** up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

    As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

    I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

    I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of **** at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

    I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

    The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

    The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

    Joe Stack (1956-2010)

    then flew his plane into an IRS Building in Austin Texas.


    so this was a Homegrown Terrorist attack on US Soil
    <self snip>

    I was going to post my thoughts about this, but I thought NO, lets just put it out there and avoid biasing the responses.

    Ultimatley people I want to hear what YOU think about this and Why arent the media covering it?


Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    The media did cover it


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Briefly, and that was mostly to call him a nutter and shift attention to the guy he killed:rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    Briefly, and that was mostly to call him a nutter and shift attention to the guy he killed:rolleyes:
    He was a nutter he flew a plane into a building


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    I dont dispute that he flew a plane into a building.

    I wouldnt be so hasty as to refer to him as a 'Nutter' tho.

    the man had a Point, thats what they want us to ignore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    I dont dispute that he flew a plane into a building.

    I wouldnt be so hasty as to refer to him as a 'Nutter' tho.

    the man had a Point, thats what they want us to ignore

    Didn't he murder someone too, and injure others?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,731 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah, one guy working in the building died too, and a few others were critically injured.

    Sounds to me like he was just a whinging little b*tch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    thr guy had issues with authority.... he expressed them by killing himself and in the process killed another and hurt others....

    the media covered the story, and moved on to the next story.....

    unfortuantely the media report new on a daily basis, which means it has to keep changing....to wht the consumer wants to hear.....
    why would they run and run with a single suicide for days or longer in their papers/news broadcasts :confused:

    the majority of the country probably believe rightly or wrongly the guy was a nut... and would have no interest in following his story beyond one or two days worth of news.... therefore the media wont use his stroy any longer than that...

    despite being the media, they are still a business and need to make money,
    they only do this by using stories the largest majority want to hear...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Thanks Mahatma coat for that post.It was very inspirational and a sad story.
    I sometimes think his tactic used is possibly the only way left to go apart from a mass co-ordinated boycotte of the corps and govs.
    But i do regret he injured possibly killed innocent slaves(We are all slaves to the system) in the process.I dont want to take away from his brave stand,i had a thougth that a better target would have been people more aware of there crimes at a higher level.

    People need to understand the majority of those working in the army for example murdering other humans or working in politics making people homeless are suffering from a neurosis more often than not.Politicians have to act like they are there to help while at the same time balance the pressure from the shadows to do the opposite.And thats before you take the human being or person into account that is stuck in that position.

    I remember a saying that stuck with me from reading a book on N.L.P
    It was talking about the choices people make wether they be good or bad choices.
    "People always make the best choices they possibly can,with the resources available to them at the time."
    I think about that statement when i see people do things normally considered crazy or nuts.The choices he made were at the time the only ones he felt he could do considering his whole situation and his mental frame of mind at the time.I dont blame him at all and people should more wonder why on earth would a man do this!!??
    Instead of labeling him mad and closing the case it should be asked when a situation like this is caused to happen, what are the reasons for its coming about?

    It seems that is the question that man wanted us all to ask and discover.
    And he paid with his life so you could ask that question.

    If anything sinks in i hope its the NLP statement because when each of us kick ourselves for doing something we later regret,we can reassure ourselves that given all the complicated things that makes us a unique person,we were making the best choice possible given our circumstances and frame of mind and mental resources etc etc.

    Please project that onto others instead of segregating the very people bringing out humanities neurosis to heal.
    I learned the hard way that i needed to face myself and my dark negative side before it would let me go.Sounds like some new age mumbo jumbo to some im sure.I dont expect all agree of course!

    I just stumbled across that idea while reading about Carl Jung and psychology.
    If the process for healing a sole humans neurosis is bringing it to bear for that person to face and accept, then i consider it possible this man was giving the world a gift of healing by trying to bring our neurosis as a collective out in the open to face.

    Unfortunatly because of the medias slant on things by design,I fear his message is lost on most.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Torakx wrote: »
    Thanks Mahatma coat for that post.It was very inspirational and a sad story.
    I sometimes think his tactic used is possibly the only way left to go apart from a mass co-ordinated boycotte of the corps and govs.
    But i do regret he injured possibly killed innocent slaves(We are all slaves to the system) in the process.I dont want to take away from his brave stand,i had a thougth that a better target would have been people more aware of there crimes at a higher level.

    People need to understand the majority of those working in the army for example murdering other humans or working in politics making people homeless are suffering from a neurosis more often than not.Politicians have to act like they are there to help while at the same time balance the pressure from the shadows to do the opposite.And thats before you take the human being or person into account that is stuck in that position.

    I remember a saying that stuck with me from reading a book on N.L.P
    It was talking about the choices people make wether they be good or bad choices.
    "People always make the best choices they possibly can,with the resources available to them at the time."
    I think about that statement when i see people do things normally considered crazy or nuts.The choices he made were at the time the only ones he felt he could do considering his whole situation and his mental frame of mind at the time.I dont blame him at all and people should more wonder why on earth would a man do this!!??
    Instead of labeling him mad and closing the case it should be asked when a situation like this is caused to happen, what are the reasons for its coming about?

    It seems that is the question that man wanted us all to ask and discover.
    And he paid with his life so you could ask that question.

    If anything sinks in i hope its the NLP statement because when each of us kick ourselves for doing something we later regret,we can reassure ourselves that given all the complicated things that makes us a unique person,we were making the best choice possible given our circumstances and frame of mind and mental resources etc etc.

    Please project that onto others instead of segregating the very people bringing out humanities neurosis to heal.
    I learned the hard way that i needed to face myself and my dark negative side before it would let me go.Sounds like some new age mumbo jumbo to some im sure.I dont expect all agree of course!

    I just stumbled across that idea while reading about Carl Jung and psychology.
    If the process for healing a sole humans neurosis is bringing it to bear for that person to face and accept, then i consider it possible this man was giving the world a gift of healing by trying to bring our neurosis as a collective out in the open to face.

    Unfortunatly because of the medias slant on things by design,I fear his message is lost on most.

    What inspired me was burning his own house down. So the governmnet should be responsible for every paranoid moron out there? Nanny State, Nanny State!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    fontanalis wrote: »
    What inspired me was burning his own house down. So the governmnet should be responsible for every paranoid moron out there? Nanny State, Nanny State!

    Just trying to get a clear understanding of what you mean.
    Burning his own house down inspired you to think that the government should not be responsible for these actions?


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    robtri wrote: »

    despite being the media, they are still a business and need to make money,
    they only do this by using stories the largest majority want to hear...

    If they are just a business then why is the spook-friendly New York Times still in existence? And why is Mexican Globalist Carlos Slim investing?

    in 2008 their cash and cash equivalents were 46 million dollars while approximate debt was 1.1 billion dollars.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/10/new-york-times-nyt-running-on-fumes


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    robtri wrote: »

    the majority of the country probably believe rightly or wrongly the guy was a nut... and would have no interest in following his story beyond one or two days worth of news.... therefore the media wont use his stroy any longer than that...

    Compare it to the media coverage of the swine-flu swindle, or more easily Muthallab? the crotch bomber (until the case was made for body scanners and there was so many holes in the story they had to pull back). He only hurt himself whereas Stack took his own life and others and symbolically crashed a plane into a building.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    How much media coverage do suicide bombers in the middle-east get? The story has no longevity, so the media, being a business, would be insane to keep constantly covering it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    the guy just sounded like a man who was at the end of his tether and snapped.

    the whole letter just reminds of a rage song.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    Compare it to the media coverage of the swine-flu swindle, or more easily Muthallab? the crotch bomber (until the case was made for body scanners and there was so many holes in the story they had to pull back). He only hurt himself whereas Stack took his own life and others and symbolically crashed a plane into a building.

    as you rightly pointed out numerous times and i agree with the Media are not after the truth, the majority of the time....
    they have one goal... to make money.... so stories that grab the antions attention get the biggest and longest coverage... other stories that for whatever reason dont ignite the consumers get feck all coverage.....

    it is just business and nothing personal....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I dont think it matters if they skip over it or have a very biased report.
    That is the media's main reason for being there.
    It is indeed bussiness,much like propoganda and its reasons for use in most cases.I agree there are media companies now jumping on the band wagon and making money for money's sake.It still does not mean that rich people or groups dont control the media for other nefarious reasons.

    Another wiki copy pasta:
    Sociologist C. Wright Mills made a distinction between a society of "masses" and "public". As he tells:"In a public, as we may understand the term, (1) virtually as many people express opinions as receive them, (2) Public communications are so organised that there is a chance immediately and effectively to answer back any opinion expressed in public. Opinion formed by such discussion (3) readily finds an outlet in effective action, even against – if necessary – the prevailing system of authority. And (4) authoritative institutions do not penetrate the public, which is thus more or less autonomous in its operations.-In a mass, (1) far fewer people express opinions than receive them; for the community of publics becomes an abstract collection of individuals who receive impressions from the mass media. (2) The communications that prevail are so organised that it is difficult or impossible for the individual to answer back immediately or with any effect. (3) The realisation of opinion in action is controlled by authorities who organise and control the channels of such action. (4) The mass has no autonomy from institutions; on the contrary, agents of authorised institutions penetrate this mass, reducing any autonomy it may have in the formation of opinion by discussion". C. Wright Mills, on Democracy in The Power Elite (1956)


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