WWE vs TNA

waltersobchak

So in 6 Days time WWE and TNA finally go head to head on a weekly basis, after the sucess of the January 4th show TNA looked to be headed down the right path, but in the weeks after the show, they have proved that perhaps that night was merely a fluke, TNA clearly shot their load all over that episode and haven't followed it up at all. But in the words of Eric Bischoff, Monday Night has been the traditional home of wrestling in America for nearly 20 years. So will fans give TNA another chance after the horrendous iMPACTS! over the last few months? Will TNA set the reset button on the last few weeks? What do you think TNA need to do to realistically compete with Vince and the WWE?

campo

Im a big fan of TNA and actually think it has got worse since Hogan / Bischoff took over they need to get some real talent in not the Nasty Boys or Hall and Waltman, why dont the raid ROH bring back Austin Aries and Roderick Strong also the WWE rejects like Burchill and Helms would be perfect for them.

so basically out with the old
Waltman , Hall , Nasty Boys, Dudleys, Nash , Sting etc
in with the new
Aries , Strong, Burchill , Helms

and also would love to see the Global championship getting more air time and give it to someone like Pope to defend it

JP Liz V1

TNA hasnt been greatly lately since Hogan's arrival - i agree he needs to get rid of the geriatics (i.e. Nash, Flair, Nasty Boys, Hall etc) and focus more of the up and coming/mid card talent TNA have

I think making Styles heel and putting him with Flair was a disaster imo

Penn

Would Helms, Burchill and Haas be able to appear on Impact or would they have a 90 day no-compete clause? Does that clause still matter if they fired you rather than you leaving?

paddyismaddy

hogan's tna is rubbish vince has nothing to worry about

jaykhunter

Wow, all negatives. I must be the only one who thinks TNA has gotten better with EZE and Hogan. Storylines make more sense. Matches generally tell a story. A lot of people have continuing storylines. Of course there are negatives (I couldn't watch last week's show) but I think they're doing a better job at catering to the masses, rather than just a niche market of fans (like what ROH do and are trying to undo). I don't agree with a lot of things (Nastyz, OJ, Abyss coming out to American Made etc) but on the whole I think TNA has a better chance to actually improve now than with Russo at the helm.

A few months down the line, Waltman, Hall and the Nastyz will be gone and TNA will be much better for it. Whatever about Hogan and Bischoff, they've given TNA their largest ratings and were the cause of getting TNA on Monday nights and going live.

I really hope TNA do well, and direct competition against WWE's biggest show is the best way to garner attention. Good luck TNA!

campo

I also really hope that TNA can push WWE all the way cause I think WWE at the moment is awful the only WWE show I watch now is NXT and that is only for Danielson / Mizz I really dont like the PG stuff they are doing right now.


I actually dont think it would take much tweaking from TNA to be a lot better but they need to get it right fast or Vince will bury them

waltersobchak

Good points from everyone so far both negative and positive..

To be honest really TNA need to stop burying people, one week someone can beat AJ Styles and then lose to Abyss the next.. How can anybody get over?? Consistency is the key

The X divison needs to be to TNA what the Cruiserweights where to WCW, good fast paced opening matches will fill the need for pure wrestling fans, and will make the storylines that curently occupy most of the show more bearable

The Tag divison needs to be more active, currently TNA currently have the best tag teams of any company anywhere in the world, but alas when do they they ever get used? iMPACT! would be a lot more exciting if the MCMG, Bucks, 3D or Beer Money could tear the house down every week..

The last thing TNA really to do, is stop throwing as many people as they possibly can into 5 minute matches, What the point of 8 men tag matches? or 10 men cage matches??

Nody

I expect another spike for the first two or three shows to around 1.4/1.5 as it will run before Raw (as I recall) and then back to the steady decline to around 1.0 or below as before.

Trying to make a copy of Raw/Smackdown is simply not going to work; they need to find the unique drawer (which honestly should be wrestling with good consistent story arcs with good mix of wrestlers (which they have)). Sadly I don't think that one will appear with the current top management in place who think that they alone are the big draw and saviour of the show by showing up and wrestling 10 years to late.

Machismo Fan

waltersobchak wrote: »

What do you think TNA need to do to realistically compete with Vince and the WWE?

There's one very simple thing TNA needs to clear out, Vince Russo.

Bubs101

Machismo Fan wrote: »

There's one very simple thing TNA needs to clear out, Vince Russo.

Russo doesn't control much anymore

waltersobchak

Russo wont go anywhere soon though, unless Hogan and Bischoff make him a scapegoat in a few weeks if the ratings bomb

Vince135792003

I'm less excited about this one than I was January 8th.

Bounty Hunter

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I'm less excited about this one than I was January 8th.

at least this time its not a 1 off, i think most people thought they would struggle to maintain their momentum when they went back to taped non monday night shows.

Machismo Fan

Bubs101 wrote: »

Russo doesn't control much anymore

Just watch the TV show, it's nearly entirely Russo formula, Hogan approved.

davrho

campo wrote: »

I really dont like the PG stuff they are doing right now.

I find little difference between the wwe and tna and whatever rating they are supposed to be?

Started watching Impact and its been ok. I used to be lucky to watch 10 mins but it has improved. Not too keen on all the oldies but if they never had regonisable faces then I doubt TNA would last too long.

I have been impresed with Raw and Smackdown since the start of the year. If they can keep this up then i don't see them losing many viewers.

Just glad that the standards have improved. Not really into this fanboy has to be a winner situation. I don't want any company to go out of business and will enjoy having a different option.

campo

well there is no more chair shots or blood on WWE and they are gone very family friendly nothing wrong with that if you are a kid but im 32 and prefer a bit more bite to my wrestling

Machismo Fan

campo wrote: »

well there is no more chair shots or blood on WWE and they are gone very family friendly nothing wrong with that if you are a kid but im 32 and prefer a bit more bite to my wrestling

Personally I prefer a bit more wrestling to my wrestling but that even seems unreasonable.

Bounty Hunter

yep if I stopped hearing that there was only 13, 15 or whatever shockingly low amount of wrestling on an impact then maybe i would watch it.

Machismo Fan

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

yep if I stopped hearing that there was only 13, 15 or whatever shockingly low amount of wrestling on an impact then maybe i would watch it.

And before Vince Russo gives out, I don't think anybody wants two straight hours of wrestling but more than 12 minutes can't be too much to ask. Can it?

davrho

campo wrote: »

well there is no more chair shots or blood on WWE and they are gone very family friendly nothing wrong with that if you are a kid but im 32 and prefer a bit more bite to my wrestling

:rolleyes:Did you miss last weeks Raw and the elimination chamber?

I suppose smoking dope and tripping are family events now too....

Rjd2

davrho wrote: »

I suppose smoking dope and tripping are family events now too....

Thats something I could get down with.

rossie1977

davrho wrote: »

:rolleyes:Did you miss last weeks Raw and the elimination chamber?

I suppose smoking dope and tripping are family events now too....

yeah, wwe are pg in all but name, its funny that vince can call his product anything and people will buy it, its not wrestling anymore its sport entertainment, a completely different thing altogether, something thats never been done on american tv before vince thought it up, he has created a new form of tv programming all to himself :rolleyes:

Tribesmen7

campo wrote: »

well there is no more chair shots or blood on WWE and they are gone very family friendly nothing wrong with that if you are a kid but im 32 and prefer a bit more bite to my wrestling

With the exception of matches being stopped when a wrestler gets a cut the WWE being PG hasn't hurt it one bit this year. I think since the start of the year WWE have being producing brilliant TV.

DM_7

Tribesmen7 wrote: »

With the exception of matches being stopped when a wrestler gets a cut the WWE being PG hasn't hurt it one bit this year. I think since the start of the year WWE have being producing brilliant TV.

I would agree with that.

A year ago when I found this board it was great, I could vent anger at the annoying things. Lately I have had little to complain about when it comes to WWE.

TNA for me, has become a very difficult show to watch. I never wanted to see Hogan or Eric back. Hogan I could live with, but once the nasty boys, val venis, the band (stupid name) etc showed up I switched off. The whole flair thing is doing my nut.

Its such a shame as TNA had just peaked my interest when wolfe came on board and was made to look like a star so soon while AJ had just embarked on his first non goofball title run in ages.:(

jaykhunter

DM-ICE wrote: »

Its such a shame as TNA had just peaked my interest when wolfe came on board and was made to look like a star so soon while AJ had just embarked on his first non goofball title run in ages.:(

Just bad timing, I guess. TNA should really have sat on Wolfe for a few months before putting him in a big feud, so he could be showcased. Maybe Angle could've fought Morgan for the end of 2009 and make him look like a star.

Bad timing for AJ with Hogan coming in and changing his character....reminds me of the absolute bad time Joe had when Angle came in. Instead of beating Jarrett for the title, he started a feud with Angle. If Angle took another 3-6 months to come in, Joe would've gotten a proper title win, not the pathetic run he had years later

chopperbyrne

If TNA had just stuck with the roster they had and booked it properly, they could have offered a high quality alternative to WWE.

Instead they are now worse off than they were and have more than half a dozen old guys who are being featured instead of the good, young talent they had.

TNA will fail hard on Monday nights and Hogan & Bischoff will blame it on Russo as they walk away from another ruined wrestling company.

Big Daddy Cool

after what i saw on last weeks impact, vince has nothing to worry about and if russo, ferrara, hogan, bischoff or whoever is writing that muck thinks they can compete with vince, then the TNA 'talent' will shortly be banging on the doors of titan towers seeking employment

jaykhunter

Vince has never had anything to worry about with TNA. If Vince actually gave a ****, he'd drive a dump-truck full of money to their biggest stars and gut their company...much like he did with Gail Kim.

Vince135792003

jaykhunter wrote: »

Vince has never had anything to worry about with TNA. If Vince actually gave a ****, he'd drive a dump-truck full of money to their biggest stars and gut their company...much like he did with Gail Kim.

Well he obviously cares enough to advertise himself against John Cena for next week. That's obviously going to be countering the Hogan/Flair tag.

jaykhunter

Heh, you're right. Didn't catch RAW this week. I don't think Hogan and Flair wrestling will be a big draw but i'm sure they'll go head to head. The 'draw' of Hogan and Flair wrestling really is unsustainable; I imagine the novelty will wear off very quickly. It is good to see Vince doing something w/r/t iMPACT though

I still stand by my 'if Vince wanted to he could gut TNA' mindset :pac::pac::pac:

Big Daddy Cool

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Well he obviously cares enough to advertise himself against John Cena for next week. That's obviously going to be countering the Hogan/Flair tag.

i seriously doubt that booking himself against cena is countering tna (who as hogan put it has all the best young talent in professional wrestling) yet are offering hogan and flair in a main event in the year 2010, that match in itself is enough to watch raw,

The only reason vince put himself in the main event is to show he'll draw a bigger rating then hogan and flair, (which raw would have anyway) but for his ego and for tna's so called monday night war, vince can say he easily beat hogan and flair.

Vince135792003

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

i seriously doubt that booking himself against cena is countering tna



The only reason vince put himself in the main event is to show he'll draw a bigger rating then hogan and flair

Are you not contradicitng yourself there?

Big Daddy Cool

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Are you not contradicitng yourself there?

yeah it looks that way alright, wasnt concentrating :rolleyes: