Parts of your MA you don't like

flynny51

I've been doing German Jujutsu for the last 2 years. I've tried a bit of everything and found this to be the most effective and practical for self defence. My sensei is excellent and 99% of what we do I love.

The other 1%... well I'm not happy with my kicks, i'm going to take up a muay thai class once a week. Only thing is how do you go about it during a class where you're supposed to do it one way when you want to do it another.

Have any of ye had similar problems. I doubt my sensei would have any problem with it if I said it to him but i'm just curious how other people find it with more pure and strict martial art styles.

Boston

Just out of interest, were about do you do German Jujutsu? Trinity is the only place I've ever heard of in Ireland doing that variant of Jujutsu.

Things I don't like about my martial art which are specific to me related to my lack of speed and percision. I can general do only one at a time.

yomchi

Hierarchical BS based on an abstract idea of coloured belts as opposed to life experience, past education and skill.

arybvtcw0eolkf

After thinking long and hard about this question, there's really nothing I'm unhappy with in Judo, as for my own personal game - I wish I was twenty years younger .

Barry.Oglesby

Well, she used to never let me out once the streetlights came on, and then when I was a teenager she grounded me for months when I was caught drinking. Other than that I love her to bits really...

Drying my gear.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Well, she used to never let me out once the streetlights came on, and then when I was a teenager she grounded me for months when I was caught drinking. Other than that I love her to bits really...

Sometimes I despair and wonder why your here, but I have to admit - this time I laughed!.

Sid_Justice

Judo - Politics, in fighting. Lack of full time training facilities. Kata. New rules. Bad attitudes to ne-waza. Brutes. Laundry.

BJJ - internet experts. Gracie lineage fags. Expense. Lack of organisational cohesion. Belt system doesn't impress people (colour belt heavy). Heel hooks.

MMA - Pretenders. Charlatan promoters. Getting punched in the face. Being mounted. Lack of understanding from uninitiated. Association with homophobia, misogyny and 'ardmen.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Deleted User wrote: »

Drying my gear.

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Laundry.

Get a MA!.

Doug Cartel

I'm not happy about the new leg grabbing rules. Even though I don't use those types of attacks myself, I don't like the idea that judo people might loose the ability to defend double and single leg take-downs.

I also don't like that in a competition where people were getting injured left right and centre, I was told I wasn't allowed to use my mouth-guard.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I'm not happy about the new leg grabbing rules. Even though I don't use those types of attacks myself, I don't like the idea that judo people might loose the ability to defend double and single leg take-downs.

I hate that too, I didn't find the rule impinged my game as I generally don't do leg grabs but I'm almost totally switched off to defending them now. I cross train (when I can) with Andy Ryan's BJJ lads and I'm on my arse a lot simply because its taking me a few minutes to adapt back to them.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I also don't like that in a competition where people were getting injured left right and centre, I was told I wasn't allowed to use my mouth-guard.

I didn't know that was a rule!.. I've four smashed teeth, two from competition and two from a complete accident in the club. I don't ever wear a gum shield.

Doug Cartel

At the risk of turning this into a judo rules thread, I think that what annoys me most about the rule change is that I can see the need to do something about people doing those stupid, no hope, attacks to the legs just to stall out the match. I just wish they hadn't handled it this way.

Also I find the we do judo, not any of that dirty SAMBO or wrestling stuff crowd a bit tiresome, but that's really just a question of taste.

Barry.Oglesby

Can I put a genuine one in here and say that technique geeks are the most annoying thing about my martial art. So you kimura someone and then they say "hey man I know 12 variations on that kimura let me show you". Yeah, you know 12 of them but you can't get one in training.

Boston

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Can I put a genuine one in here and say that technique geeks are the most annoying thing about my martial art. So you kimura someone and then they say "hey man I know 12 variations on that kimura let me show you". Yeah, you know 12 of them but you can't get one in training.

Just looked up kimura, I do that all the time, never knew it had a name.

Doug Cartel

Boston, that's because those BJJ guys have at least three different names for an ude-garami.

Barry.Oglesby

All of which are named after the guy who "discovered" it, 100 years after it was "discovered"

Forest Master

Malaysia Disgusting Oatmeal wrote: »

I've four smashed teeth, two from competition and two from a complete accident in the club. I don't ever wear a gum shield.

Darwin would be proud.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Forest Master wrote: »

Darwin would be proud.

Darwin would be spinning in his grave at the thoughts of what most of us do around here!.

just-joe

In regards to judo (probably gonna repeat alot of what has been said):

Rule changes, politics/cost. Lack of training facilities. Bad technique, getting injured by newbies. Laziness when it comes to fitness training! Randomers being disappointed when they ask you the colour of your belt and you don't say black. People asking you ifyou would win in "a fight". The general public knowing next to nothing about it even though its one of the biggest MA/sports in the world.

Unpossible

Malaysia Disgusting Oatmeal wrote: »

Darwin would be spinning in his grave at the thoughts of what most of us do around here!.

Yes, you really must cut down on those galapagos turtle eggs.

just-joe wrote:

The general public knowing next to nothing about it even though its one of the biggest MA/sports in the world.

I had conversations with people where I told them several times the martial arts name was HanMooDo and at the end they were still calling it TaeKwonDo its one of the curses of being a small martial art. Another being the fact that we are essentially on our own in this country.
There are one or two little things I would like to see introduced to HanMooDo, but I'm not sure how it would affect the martial art. Most of my issues come with me simply not being as good as I want to be at certain aspects, so the solution is to work harder

FruitLover

just-joe wrote: »

Randomers being disappointed when they ask you the colour of your belt and you don't say black.

I'll see your "randomers being disapointed if you don't say 'black'" and raise you a "randomers thinking you're supposed to be Bruce Lee if you say 'black'"

cletus

my pet hate is the guys who come into the club, and instead of drilling the techniques you've been given that evening want to demomstrate the newest thing they've learned from the latest dvd or book they bought.

Boston

FruitLover wrote: »

I'll see your "randomers being disapointed if you don't say 'black'" and raise you a "randomers thinking you're supposed to be Bruce Lee if you say 'black'"

But I'm bruce lee and a ninja. Or so I'm told...

Tim_Murphy

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Can I put a genuine one in here and say that technique geeks are the most annoying thing about my martial art. So you kimura someone and then they say "hey man I know 12 variations on that kimura let me show you". Yeah, you know 12 of them but you can't get one in training.

+1. You school a guy, catch him in some submission and then he wants to show you variations what you could have got him with. :rolleyes:

The 'tshirt guys' in MMA can be a bit annoying too, but usually they are more a source of amusement than annoyance.

yomchi

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

+1. You school a guy, catch him in some submission and then he wants to show you variations what you could have got him with. :rolleyes:

The 'tshirt guys' in MMA can be a bit annoying too, but usually they are more a source of amusement than annoyance.

What's a T shirt guy??

Doug Cartel

yomchi wrote: »

What's a T shirt guy??

I'm guessing it's one of those guys that wears a lot of TapouT gear every where he goes, trains once or twice a month and tells everyone he meets he's a CAGE FIGHTER.

Tim_Murphy

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I'm guessing it's one of those guys that wears a lot of TapouT gear every where he goes, trains once or twice a month and tells everyone he meets he's a CAGE FIGHTER.

That's the guy!

Along with the Tapout tshirt (or another suitably fashionable brand) he will wear shinny new boardshorts to training along with a pair of UFC mma gloves, generally worn regardless of whether there is any striking being done on the night or not.

yomchi

Haha gotcha

nobbo

Politics, the fact that most people dont realise what judo is even though its one of the biggest MAs in the world, and politics.

Boston

With regards politics, ever single thing I've every become seriously involved with has had it's measure of politics. You just have to learn to accept it and side step it where possible.

Francis Galvin

bjj, arseholes taking credit for things that were done years before they even started

and the tapout guy

arybvtcw0eolkf

Francis Galvin wrote: »

and the tapout guy

Is he any different to the BJJ guy who's Gi is covered in patches which really mean nothing?...



:pac:

Francis Galvin

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I'm guessing it's one of those guys that wears a lot of TapouT gear every where he goes, trains once or twice a month and tells everyone he meets he's a CAGE FIGHTER.

more one of these guys.

usually someone who goes to the trouble of buying a gi is more committed than training once or twice per month. U can't really walk around town and show off ur gi to ur mates.


ha ha nevermind
I only saw that pic now

Trashbat

I must say the thing that annoys me most is the technical arguements that always go one. I've seen in in a few martial arts, although can only really comment on one properly.

They make small and inconvenient changes to techniques that are supposed to be better, yet still enforce impractical techniques that are "traditional". Now i actually quite like the idea of doing those impractical traditional techniques, as i think it develops the art more to do things that arent as natural to your body, but then they constantly contradict this ethos by meddling with other techniques.

My only understanding of it is that politically, chief instructors want to put some sort of a personal stamp on things, which is an unfortuinate sign of ego in the arts.

Niall Keane

My art is Tai Chi Chuan

I hate the new age hippies, they swarm around the art like blood sucking midges around a candle light, they irritate those of us truely engaged in using it, cloud whats on offer, and spend their time flying against and trying to fu@k up the core principles.

Tim_Murphy

Niall Keane wrote: »

My art is Tai Chi Chuan

I hate the new age hippies, they swarm around the art like blood sucking midges around a candle light, they irritate those of us truely engaged in using it, cloud whats on offer, and spend their time flying against and trying to fu@k up the core principles.

God damn hippies

yomchi

Lining up in order of rank. Such a waste of time!

arybvtcw0eolkf

yomchi wrote: »

Lining up in order of rank. Such a waste of time!

Why?.

yomchi

Malaysia Disgusting Oatmeal wrote: »

Why?.

Because it places the beginner at the back furthest away from the information.
As for the waste of time, at a large TKD seminar you could spend 15 minutes waiting for everybody to slot into where they 'ought' to be, not to mention the egotists that push themselves into position elbowing someone else out.

Just feckin train.

arybvtcw0eolkf

yomchi wrote: »

Because it places the beginner at the back furthest away from the information.
As for the waste of time, at a large TKD seminar you could spend 15 minutes waiting for everybody to slot into where they 'ought' to be, not to mention the egotists that push themselves into position elbowing someone else out.

Just feckin train.

My bad, I was thinking in term's of Judo where the grades are lined up from left to right. Higher grades to the left (of the instructor) down to the lowest grades on the instructors right and not in lines like some styles.

So do you have your students line up in traditional TKD ranks?.

yomchi

Malaysia Disgusting Oatmeal wrote: »

My bad, I was thinking in term's of Judo where the grades are lined up from left to right. Higher grades to the left (of the instructor) down to the lowest grades on the instructors right and not in lines like some styles.

So do you have your students line up in traditional TKD ranks?.

No I have the beginners at the top or we'll stand in circle and work from there.

Tim_Murphy

yomchi wrote: »

Because it places the beginner at the back furthest away from the information.
As for the waste of time, at a large TKD seminar you could spend 15 minutes waiting for everybody to slot into where they 'ought' to be, not to mention the egotists that push themselves into position elbowing someone else out.

Just feckin train.

LOL, that brings back memories alright. At a normal class it's not much of an issue (still silly of course) but at seminars it was crazy alright.

I didn't have my three strips on my belt so if I was at a seminar where people didn't know me this causes all sorts of confusion.

I've even heard tales of people lining up by their ITF certificate number, and as ridiculous as that sounds it probably does happen.

Doug Cartel

Trying to remember all the things I'm suddenly not allowed to do can be tricky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94JNu3Y-D5w

arybvtcw0eolkf

Are you following the rule change discussions on JudoForum.com Doug?.

Doug Cartel

Malaysia Disgusting Oatmeal wrote: »

Are you following the rule change discussions on JudoForum.com Doug?.

No, another source, but I was trying to find the thread where this was posted. Do you have a link?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Doug Cartel wrote: »

No, another source, but I was trying to find the thread where this was posted. Do you have a link?

Here ya go.

Kerikosan

After 5th Dan there is no more techniques To learn or Kata's only the revision of your martial art starting at white belt techniques and Kata's back up to 5th Dan learning and improving on them
So why do we Award 6th 7th 8th and 10th Dans? Money or Honor or What?

Japanese Instructors being Treated like the One and only best instructors around even though at Professional Competition allot of Champions are European

The Thousands of Different Organisations- Jka, Jks, Wuko, Iska, wtka etc...

Politics in Karate, very money hungry martial art, up to 13 belt rankings.. and High Costs For Seminars and Gradings!

suey71

Chinese instructors only teaching forms and conditioning.

And after 4 years of hard training, I couldn't fight worth a w*nk.

No sparring, no distance training, no fighting stratagies.

I also feel that Chinese instructors dont trust their students.

My ex instructor once told me that he wouldn't teach his best and most gifted student how to properly use his art because he didn't want this student to be above his station.

He also told me that an instructor should never teach a student all he knows incase the student should ever want to fight the teacher.

Maybe in China this happens but in Ireland I feel that if a master teaches me all he knows I would never want to defeat him.

Its like the story of the Cat and the Tiger.

The Cat teaches the Tiger how to fight and in the end the Tiger says to the cat, "I have learned everything you know, now I kill you." and the cat runs up a tree and says "see, I didn't teach you everything".

I would love my children to be twice the man I am, but to the Chinese, they want to be remembered as the best. The one who was a legend.

Better than their students.

If the Chinese continue to teach in this way, Kung Fu will become diluted.

If it hasn't already become so.

Doug Cartel

[quote=[Deleted User];65267272]I think the wai kru is the biggest waste of time at muay thai events. Sittin there and im going ffs c'mom! I'll probly get slated for this but it does my head in.....[/QUOTE]
Naaah, i think it's all part of the spectacle.

That said, the first time I went to a Thai boxing show, and I heard that music blasting out over a PA, I didn't know what to think. My friend told me they play it to encourage the fighters to get the fight over with as quick as possible.

aws

I was at the Easter Rising Show in Cork at the weekend, i seen the best Wai Kru ever, it was preformed by a lad Gavin Sheehey.

I think its called The King Rama Plang Sorn, at the end of it, the opponent is in his corner and the guy preforming wai kru faces him and fires an imaginary bow and arrow, the opponent catches the arrow and breaks it over his knee, the another arrow is fired , again it is caught and broken, usually a third arrow is fired and hits the target. However in this case the 3rd missed and the guy shakes his head in disbelief and proceeds to take a pump action shotgun (imaginary) from his back and fires two shots at his opponent.

At this point his opponent takes out a grenade pulls the pin with his teeth, spits it away and launches into the center on the ring while ducking and covering.

It got a great reaction from the crowd. Really had to be seen to get the idea properly.

Khannie

[quote=[Deleted User];65267272]I think the wai kru is the biggest waste of time at muay thai events. Sittin there and im going ffs c'mom! I'll probly get slated for this but it does my head in.....[/QUOTE]

I agree...and I disagree.

I think it should be left to pro shows tbh. I think it's a bit much at the amateur shows. We have different Wai Krus based on the pro level you're at too (C class is short and simple, A class is longer and more complex).

Actually, I find it's a really nice way to settle yourself just before things kick off though and a good Wai Kru is really nice to watch. I saw Mick P get a really good round of applause for his one when I saw him fighting in the arse end of Thailand before (and I have to say he does a really good one).

The music is a traditional thing too. You'll notice that there's a different tempo to it for the last round than the first and that is to try to dictate the pace somewhat.