something new is coming..

zod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN2BV2Rg8JE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6PSnzRnUxY

reviewed :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzFkn5X6_5M

Holsten

We only just got push bikes in Dublin!

20 years till we get charging stations!

B00MSTICK

Nee-san?

Wasn't hydrogen meant to be the new thing a while back?

Still if the range is anywhere near 100 miles it'll be more than enough for quite a few peoples commute.

JHMEG

Looks great.

And the govt has rubber stamped a scheme with Renault and Nissan, so it looks like we could be getting the Leaf here too.

ESB is rolling out 1,000 charge points for EVs in 2010:

http://www.juicepoint.ie/

smash

Electric cars shouldn't be introduced to Ireland, they don't save the environment because ESB still burns fossil fuels to create it's electricity. I know there are alternatives but ESB is the majority shareholder.

I also think they're sh!te because if you run out of juice you can't go and buy €10 worth of electricity to get you home. And the charge takes forever!

zod

B00MSTICK wrote: »

Wasn't hydrogen meant to be the new thing a while back?

Hydrogen and why it shouldn't be used is discussed here

http://www.ted.com/talks/shai_agassi_on_electric_cars.html

zod

steve06 wrote: »

Electric cars shouldn't be introduced to Ireland, they don't save the environment because ESB still burns fossil fuels to create it's electricity. I know there are alternatives but ESB is the majority shareholder.

wrong. common myth

also the Grid will get cleaner as we switch to renewables .. bringing the cars with it.

steve06 wrote: »

I also think they're sh!te because if you run out of juice you can't go and buy €10 worth of electricity to get you home. And the charge takes forever!

charge to 80% in the time to have a cup of tea ?

smash

Well how do you tackle the fact that batteries drain?

You can leave a petrol car for a few months, come back and still have your petrol. Batteries will drain!

Waste of money charging it if it's going to drain!

zod

steve06 wrote: »

Well how do you tackle the fact that batteries drain?

You can leave a petrol car for a few months, come back and still have your petrol. Batteries will drain!

Waste of money charging it if it's going to drain!

Nissan and Renault must be kicking themselves, you should give them a call and discuss your obvious battery knowledge with their battery engineers.

Atlantic Dawn

Should this not be our new filling station...

smash

zod wrote: »

Nissan and Renault must be kicking themselves, you should give them a call and discuss your obvious battery knowledge with their battery engineers.

I don't fall for all this green rubbish, and electric cars aren't the be all and end all. It will be years before they're perfect!

and batteries??? http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html

zod

steve06 wrote: »

I don't fall for all this green rubbish, and electric cars aren't the be all and end all. It will be years before they're perfect!

A battery expert and a climatologist. Wow.

A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists. Results were analyzed globally and by specialization:

76 out of 79 climatologists who "listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change" believe that mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and 75 out of 77 believe that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Among all respondents, 90% agreed that temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800 levels, and 82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent, respectively, believing in human involvement. A summary from the survey states that:

"It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes."[84]

Johnny Utah

I'm with Steve on this one; all this climate change nonsense is a load of aul bollox..... the sooner we get those incompetent Greeners out of government the better!

MySelf56

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Nuclear power would be far cleaner than burning fossil fuels. Hydrogen isnt a fuel source I would happy putting in my car. Very heavy fuel tanks and due to its design a full tank will be empty over two-three weeks even if you dont use it.

even Kevin Myers think Nuclear is the way so does David Mcw. But usual attitude "Not in my backyard" will not get us anywhere in terms energy security.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-sure-wind-is-great-and-part-of-the-solution-to-our-energy-needs-but-it-is-only-topup-power-2080730.html

smash

Ok Zod I'll throw up some quotes then if you're going to do the it...

“There is no substantive basis for predictions of sizeable global warming due to observed increases in minor greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane and chlorofluorocarbons.”
Massachusetts Institute of Technology meteorologist Richard Lindzen

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a group of 600 leading climate scientists from 40 nations, says it is “very likely” (more than a 90 percent chance) that humans are causing a global temperature change that will reach between 3.2 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of this century."
very likely = We don't know and have no evidence so we'll point the finger.

"The observational evidence…suggests that any warming from the growth of greenhouse gases is likely to be minor, difficult to detect above the natural fluctuations of the climate, and therefore inconsequential"
Atmospheric physicist Fred Singer

Oh and a few actual facts...

Greenhouse gases form about 3 % of the atmosphere by volume. They consist of varying amounts, (about 97%) of water vapour and clouds, with the remainder being gases like CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O, of which carbon dioxide is the largest amount. Hence, CO2 constitutes about 0.037% of the atmosphere.

Nitrogen forms 80% of our atmosphere. We could not live in 100% nitrogen either. Carbon dioxide is no more a pollutant than nitrogen is. CO2 is essential to life on earth and it is necessary for plant growth.

JHMEG

Cheap oil is gone. Therefore cheap petrol is gone. If we want to continue motoring cheaply we need to start looking elsewhere. Cars charged by natural gas or nuclear power will allow us to continue motoring cheaply.

This has nothing to do with climate change.

zod

steve06 wrote: »

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a group of 600 leading climate scientists from 40 nations, says it is “very likely” (more than a 90 percent chance) that humans are causing a global temperature change that will reach between 3.2 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of this century."
very likely = We don't know and have no evidence so we'll point the finger.
.

Now that is funny

steve06 wrote: »

Greenhouse gases form about 3 % of the atmosphere by volume. They consist of varying amounts, (about 97%) of water vapour and clouds, with the remainder being gases like CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O, of which carbon dioxide is the largest amount. Hence, CO2 constitutes about 0.037% of the atmosphere.Nitrogen forms 80% of our atmosphere. We could not live in 100% nitrogen either. Carbon dioxide is no more a pollutant than nitrogen is. CO2 is essential to life on earth and it is necessary for plant growth.

Co2 is a small percentage and is essential .. erm so what ?

What percentage of CFC was required to cause the ozone hole. Oh yeah a really small amount

Just because CO2 is essential doesn't mean you can artificially increase its concentration and expect no issues.

Irrespective, electric cars might save the car .. not stop us using them like clinging to oil will.

smash

Look, if you want to say that electric cars could save motoring then do that, but don't bring the climate change debate into it, it's unproven and just a money spinner!

zod

steve06 wrote: »

but don't bring the climate change debate into it

I didn't. You did.

Del2005

zod wrote: »

also the Grid will get cleaner as we switch to renewables .. bringing the cars with it.

How about the need for base load back up? Until we get a fully interconnected EU wide power grid we still need to have a gas powered backup supply equal to the total renewable energy for when the wind stops blowing. Because we can't have the electricity supply suddenly stopping and this backup base load has to run 24/7 to cover shortages while not actually providing any power.

MySelf56

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Thats because you mention the N word (Nuclear that is!) and the common person on the street panics. Sure when MRI scans first came out the were originally called NMRI but they dropped the Nuclear because people were idiots.

The amount of hippie idiots that say what about Chernobyl? Then I say what about the Banqiao Dam that collapsed in China and killed 1/4 of a million people and demolished 6 millions homes. Safe green energy alright.

Agreee.

Industrial accidents will happen. Show me one safe industry. Accidents will happen just because of one accident we can't shun the technology. France relies on 80% electricity from Nuclear most of continental europe depend upon more 35% on Nuclear.

As you mentioned hydro electric, does also need thousands acres of land to create that artificial reservior it dispels people and bio diversity.

daveharnett

steve06 wrote: »

very likely = We don't know and have no evidence so we'll point the finger.

Very likely = very likely. Good science means stating what you have observed, what you can reason, and no more. If you want certainty, talk to politicians, PROs, or priests.

I can't wait. peak torque from 0rpm, perfectly linear power curves, no need for gears, unlimited options for design/weight distribution/power distribution, dramatically better power/weight ratios, reduced/eliminated warm-up periods, fewer moving parts to maintain, and cheap as chips fuel.

To hell with the polar bears, I want electric vehicles to work for my sake!