Gallignani round baler

Sam Kade

Are these balers any good is it easy to get parts for them?

deerekane

there absoultly sh**e

reilig

Sam Kade wrote: »

Are these balers any good is it easy to get parts for them?

I have a neighbour with one. Its pretty reliable, not hard on parts at all and easy to work. It needs wide rows if you want to make good bales - otherwise you will have bales that resemble swiss rolls. He is quite happy with it. However there aren't many of them in the Northern Half of the country. They are used a lot for bailing straw. However, my neighbour has nothing but good reports about his for bailing silage and hay. Its a much cheaper alternative to a John Deere, Welger, Class or McHale. Don't know how it would stand up to contracting but he recon's its a fine baler for any farmer that has more than 500 bales to make each year.

Sam Kade

I just need a baler for my own work up 400 bales a year. I already have a welger RP12 with twine only it takes forever to tie a bale. I know someone that converted their RP12 to net and they said it was so troublesome (net wrapping around the rollers) that they went back to using twine again. The RP12 can block easily in corners.

Reilig does your neighbours Gallignani make bigger bales than the RP12 and does it pack bales well?

reilig

Sam Kade wrote: »

I just need a baler for my own work up 400 bales a year. I already have a welger RP12 with twine only it takes forever to tie a bale. I know someone that converted their RP12 to net and they said it was so troublesome (net wrapping around the rollers) that they went back to using twine again. The RP12 can block easily in corners.

Reilig does your neighbours Gallignani make bigger bales than the RP12 and does it pack bales well?

He had an RP12 when it came out first and used to make some bales for us, but the bales were really small. We used to be able to carry them on a 20 diesel

He traded her up for an RP12s and made much better bales. That was back in the early 1990's. He doesn't have the Gallignani too long (2 or 3 years), but he didn't buy it new. I wrapped some of his bales in the last 2 years and found them good enough - you will have a good idea of a bale by how it sits on the wrapper. Overall I think he's happier with it than he was with the Welger. He recons its very easy worked too.

Casinoking

Sam Kade wrote: »

I just need a baler for my own work up 400 bales a year. I already have a welger RP12 with twine only it takes forever to tie a bale. I know someone that converted their RP12 to net and they said it was so troublesome (net wrapping around the rollers) that they went back to using twine again. The RP12 can block easily in corners.

Reilig does your neighbours Gallignani make bigger bales than the RP12 and does it pack bales well?

To be fair just about anything made in the last ten years would be an improvement on an RP12. You're right about the net units being troublesome, they were such a disaster that neither the RP12 nor the 12S was available new in this country with net tie. A few made in down from the North alright but they never worked properly. If I were you I'd stick to Welger, you'd buy an RP200 or even a 220 with net tie and a wide pick up for handy money. They're a lot easier to get parts and service for, there were hundreds of them around so even second hand parts wouldn't be a problem, and they'll still have some kind of resale value if you want to change again in a couple of years.

maidhcII

Casinoking wrote: »

To be fair just about anything made in the last ten years would be an improvement on an RP12. You're right about the net units being troublesome, they were such a disaster that neither the RP12 nor the 12S was available new in this country with net tie. A few made in down from the North alright but they never worked properly. If I were you I'd stick to Welger, you'd buy an RP200 or even a 220 with net tie and a wide pick up for handy money. They're a lot easier to get parts and service for, there were hundreds of them around so even second hand parts wouldn't be a problem, and they'll still have some kind of resale value if you want to change again in a couple of years.

The RP12s will do 25 bales an hour with twine. Not contractor speeds but adequate for farmers. It is also regarded by most as being more reliable and better built than the RP200, it certainly doesn't corrode as badly.

But yes, the last RP12s was made in 1992, so most modern stuff will be better.

I understand the more modern RP235 makes bales a similar size to the RP12/12s. That was a big selling point for one contractor I know anyway.

I don't know anything about Gallignanis, apart from the fact they never sold in great numbers in Cork, despite CFM having the dealership.

biblio

Atkins had a 2nd hand Gallignani round baler in stock a few months back, it was a chain/slat baler with a chopper and net, similar to a Krone. It looked a simple enough machine and was cheap compared to other brands.
Minogues garage in Urlingford are dealers for them, they had them at the ploughing for the last few years, they were keenly priced for a new baler.
and as mentioned CFM in Cork sold a few of them too at one time, there is a tie up betweem MF and Gallignani.
I seem to remember too that there Gallignani make roller chamber balers too but its been a while since i saw one.

Sam Kade

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/1163414
These are the ones I was looking at.

If they were chain and slat I wouldn't go near them as a neighbour of mine used to have a krone baler with chain and slat it was a lot slower than the rp12 and made sh1te bales.

I average 20 bales/hour in heavy crops with the rp12 which isn't bad considering how long it takes to tie a bale. One time I made 40 bales/hour baling haylage in a long narrow field but that happened once only.

pajero12

Sam Kade wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/1163414
These are the ones I was looking at.

If they were chain and slat I wouldn't go near them as a neighbour of mine used to have a krone baler with chain and slat it was a lot slower than the rp12 and made sh1te bales.

I average 20 bales/hour in heavy crops with the rp12 which isn't bad considering how long it takes to tie a bale. One time I made 40 bales/hour baling haylage in a long narrow field but that happened once only.

Thats a very rough looking baler...I'd say it will give lots of bother and prob wont make as good a bales as the rp12

Indubitable

Krone all the way.

Casinoking

The RP235 makes a bale similar in size to the 12S alright but it packs a hell of a lot more stuff into them. It also needs a lot more power, we used to drive a 12S with a 7610 but the 235 would test a 6 cylinder 120hp tractor baling silage on hilly ground. We usually have 150hp in front of it for comfort. You're right about the 200, they weren't as reliable as the 12S but they are certainly a lot faster and a couple of years fresher. The main concern I'd have with a Gallignani is they aren't overly common or popular, so if it stops in the middle of a field of hay with the clouds gathering it might take a while to get going again.

maidhcII

Casinoking wrote: »

The RP235 makes a bale similar in size to the 12S alright but it packs a hell of a lot more stuff into them. It also needs a lot more power, we used to drive a 12S with a 7610 but the 235 would test a 6 cylinder 120hp tractor baling silage on hilly ground. We usually have 150hp in front of it for comfort. You're right about the 200, they weren't as reliable as the 12S but they are certainly a lot faster and a couple of years fresher. The main concern I'd have with a Gallignani is they aren't overly common or popular, so if it stops in the middle of a field of hay with the clouds gathering it might take a while to get going again.

I think if I was buying modern s/h baler I would be tempted by a Vicon. This one is on donedeal http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/1080470 although I'd rather the more modern version. They are the same as the Deutz, but seem to be quite unloved s/h.

biblio

maidhcII wrote: »

I think if I was buying modern s/h baler I would be tempted by a Vicon. This one is on donedeal http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/1080470 although I'd rather the more modern version. They are the same as the Deutz, but seem to be quite unloved s/h.

I remember a mechanic friend of mine telling me that those older Greenland/Vicon/Deutz balers are an evolution of the RP12, with a wider pick up and option of a chopper.

Sam Kade

maidhcII wrote: »

I think if I was buying modern s/h baler I would be tempted by a Vicon. This one is on donedeal http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/machinery/1080470 although I'd rather the more modern version. They are the same as the Deutz, but seem to be quite unloved s/h.

I saw that baler on donedeal before looks good value. I don't think a 7610 would drive it. I would imagine you would need 140hp to drive it.

Casinoking

Sam Kade wrote: »

I saw that baler on donedeal before looks good value. I don't think a 7610 would drive it. I would imagine you would need 140hp to drive it.

I don't know about the older ones, but I have a Deutz MP235 and it takes plenty of power to drive. We've baled hay with a 100hp tractor alright but silage needs at least 120. A good baler though, never gave us too much trouble. My only gripe would be it makes a huge bale!

reilig

Casinoking wrote: »

I don't know about the older ones, but I have a Deutz MP235 and it takes plenty of power to drive. We've baled hay with a 100hp tractor alright but silage needs at least 120. A good baler though, never gave us too much trouble. My only gripe would be it makes a huge bale!

True, but the older Deutz are very poor. Lunney' in Newtowngore were dealers for them in the late 1990's when they were produced first. In 1999, a contractor beside us bought one from them. It was very hard on parts and it made the worst bales ever. It gave him so many problems that he returned it to Lunneys and demanded his money back mid season. He bought a welger then. There were at least 5 other contractors that returned their balers to Lunneys that year and got full refund. They were a terrible baler.

liam7831

deerekane wrote: »

there absoultly sh**e

What do you base this judgement on.

I have one, bale silage with it every year, makes rock solid bales, top notch imo

BeeDI

liam7831 wrote: »

What do you base this judgement on.

I have one, bale silage with it every year, makes rock solid bales, top notch imo

Driver has big say in quality of bale from any baler. My contractor uses a Krone Combi. When he happens to be driving the baler, I get a squishy bun masquerading as a bale:eek: When the young lad he employs drives the baler, I get a rock solid, big bale:P
ExplaIN thay:pac:

Casinoking

Same old story, more bales mean more money! We baled a field of silage for a new customer last year, got 120 bales on it. The farmer couldn't understand how, the crop looked as heavy as every other year and his previous contractor always got at least 150 bales off the same field.

Indubitable

Casinoking wrote: »

Same old story, more bales mean more money! We baled a field of silage for a new customer last year, got 120 bales on it. The farmer couldn't understand how, the crop looked as heavy as every other year and his previous contractor always got at least 150 bales off the same field.

Thats why the bale contractor i work with never moved up in baler models. He packs them tight for himself though. He only chops when requested so he spends less fuel

tabby aspreme

my contractor uses a deutz fahr baler with a 110 fiat tractor makes rock solid bales, baler gives no bother ,he likes the rowed up swarths to be full width of the pickup as this gives good shape to the bale which is all he wants not max bales to the acre, im lucky

baler

i just bought the krone it has netwrap i am after replacing all the bearings and tines in the pickup will also replace bearings on conveyor chain and sharpen knives what hp tractor do i need

powerfarmer

baler wrote: »

i just bought the krone it has netwrap i am after replacing all the bearings and tines in the pickup will also replace bearings on conveyor chain and sharpen knives what hp tractor do i need

You will need at least 100hp to maintain output when chopping.
Used to work one of them balers, made a decent bale.
if you dont have a manual or parts book they are available to download from the Krone north america site, I found it better for info than the europe site.

poor farmer

Had a rp 200 an early model wore it away easy to maintain and light
changed to a fresh class 46 chopper wide pick up .
strong but heavy really miss those latches on the back door