setting up a website

kincaid

hi all

my friend and i were thinking of setting up a website to sell cars, vans, tractors and farm machinery but could not come with with a good catchy name for it ...

any ideas????

Indubitable

carandcommercial.ie

FarmerGreen

Farmersbike.ie

massey woman

Arthur Daly Agri

FarmerGreen

DeereHeaven.ie

johngalway

Farmwheels.com

FarmerGreen

AggyTraction.ie
FarmMobility.ie
KincaidsKit.ie

motorman

autoagri.ie

PaddyBloggit

donedeal.ie
bendunne.ie

.... already used.

To be honest you'll be fighting against the tide ... the web is full of them and the good ones have the market well researched.

Do a search on donedeal and you'll see all the other websites offering what you're hoping to offer there.

That aside .... your website name should contain 'searched keywords' if possible and should reflect the site ...

use this to research your keywords ... you can make it country/region specific:

https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

leg wax

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

donedeal.ie
bendunne.ie

.... already used.

To be honest you'll be fighting against the tide ... the web is full of them and the good ones have the market well researched.

cant sell it any where else .ie

maidhcII

the best one by far is haybay.ie (but that is also already used).

Donedeal has really caught the imagination of the public, and particularly farmers. I bought a scrap wrapper 10 miles Cahersiveen last week from it!

John-Holmes

PaddyBloggit wrote: »

donedeal.ie
bendunne.ie

.... already used.

To be honest you'll be fighting against the tide ... the web is full of them and the good ones have the market well researched.

Do a search on donedeal and you'll see all the other websites offering what you're hoping to offer there.

That aside .... your website name should contain 'searched keywords' if possible and should reflect the site ...

use this to research your keywords ... you can make it country/region specific:

https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

Good advice there.

As said already it will be hard to take the attention away from donedeal as it is well laid out and most farmers are familiar with it.

dairygene

What do you think will make your website unique?

Indubitable

dairygene wrote: »

What do you think will make your website unique?

It wouldnt need to be unique. Only easy used or better marketed than other similar websites.

If you look at various websites that sell vehicles they are all pretty much the same.

It can still make alot of money with a similar system to other websites.

dairygene

I think the cash input needed to market against donedeal and bendunne would be massive, the development needed in the site would also have a massive cost. I have seen €40,000 going into a website and it only getting 200 hits on a good day even with free classified it cant compete with the market leaders, and €40,000 is nothing compared to what you are talking about.

Casinoking

€40,000 is a crazy amount of money to spend on a website, unless of course it's got gov.ie after it. You could get a very good one up and running without one of those noughts.

Indubitable

dairygene wrote: »

I think the cash input needed to market against donedeal and bendunne would be massive, the development needed in the site would also have a massive cost. I have seen €40,000 going into a website and it only getting 200 hits on a good day even with free classified it cant compete with the market leaders, and €40,000 is nothing compared to what you are talking about.

Then hopefully they have more than 40,000 euro to throw around. I cant think of any features that can make the website unique. If one is found, other sites can just imitate it

PaddyBloggit

with all his smartness I think Ben Dunne made a mistake when he called his site bendunne.ie .... tis so far removed from being associated with classified ads. It sounds like a personal blog/site.

he has bombarded the airwaves advertising it yet for all that it's got a long road to travel before it comes close to dondeal.

His site is too gimmicky as well. DoneDeal works because of its simple layout ....

I think the OP is wasting his time setting up a classified site .... it's been done (sorry about the pun) too many times.

Ireland is too small for all the sites .....

dairygene

€40,000 includes advertising and not enough of it either if you ask me.

On unique issue, it works if your first and establish your name for it, like donedeal, they had no right to come in and take over a market buy and sell had owned for years but thats what they did, pay by a phone call and they took a massive market share leaving buy and sell on the brink of collapes. Unique ideas are important and the only way this website at the start of the topic can work.

vanderbadger

i think there could be a market of a good machinery site that the dealers could use, the trouble with farm and plant is that its not updated, god knows why! how many people have enquired after an item only to find the garage has sold that item months if not years ago. I remember enquiring about a nugent trailer only to be told they longer sold them and had to listen to a tirade about farm and plant not updating their ads, they should put a time limit on each add, when you pay your add stays up for a month, then automatically comes down or something similar. i think so long as your website does things a bit better than the rest you could find a market

porscheman

vanderbadger wrote: »

i think there could be a market of a good machinery site that the dealers could use, the trouble with farm and plant is that its not updated, god knows why! how many people have enquired after an item only to find the garage has sold that item months if not years ago. I remember enquiring about a nugent trailer only to be told they longer sold them and had to listen to a tirade about farm and plant not updating their ads, they should put a time limit on each add, when you pay your add stays up for a month, then automatically comes down or something similar. i think so long as your website does things a bit better than the rest you could find a market

The dealers have acess to many sites like FTMTA agriaffaires etc and they dont use them they prefer to pay crazy money to the farmers journal

Just be careful because it takes a lot of money to get it working

kincaid

good advice but not actually trying to beat donedeal,never could,, just trying to offer a service to people wanting to buy and sell cars, tractors and machinery at very reasonable price....i would not be selling everything under the sun like donedeal, what a nightmare keeping on top of everything that would be...
when i think of the autotrader charging €45 per week for a small photo ad in their mag for one week it is crazy, they are not doing so well now...
internet/online ads seems the way to go now....

planning

Hi Kincaid,

I have a site for advertising machinery. It is not going to well. The layout looks terrible but the functions are fine. I got a graphic designer to design a new site for 450 and I have a web builder building a new site for me for 800. I was quoted crasy prices as high as 25K. Hopefully this time I will get it right. There are so many sites out there that have failed like mine but I am trying again. Best of luck with site anyway.

kincaid

hi

is your old site still running?

PaddyBloggit

and another one has popped up on of all places at donedeal:

edeal.ie

planning

Yes my site is still up. Hopefully my new site will be ready in 3 weeks its more of a hobby with me anyway but wouldn't say no to making a few pound on it.

kincaid

What Went Wrong Do You Think,? How Much Were You Charging For Ads?

I Might Concentrate On The Northern Ireland Market To See How Its Goes

planning

The site was free and when I asked people to advertise 99% of them asked what's the catch. When the new site is finished I am going to charge a small fee for advertising and see how that goes.

robototitico

maidhcII - Haybay.ie is an excellent name. Wish I had thought of it!

@planning - I know what you mean about people thinking there's a catch. Many farmers I talked to about my site - farmads.ie - at first, thought there must be a catch, that free classified ads didnt make sense, when the journal costs €17. There is money to be made in adsense and selling banner ads to companies however, if you can get the user numbers. Also what is your site?

@dairygene - I agree, every site needs a compelling USP - unique selling point. I feel that most of these new classifieds sites don't really have one. The corollary of that of course is that it is quite difficult to create a compelling USP. I would say that, if there are any opportunities for such sites, the direction to go in is niche. If good content related to that niche is provided, along with an easy to use system, then one might have a chance. Daft.ie are taking over Adverts.ie aswell, and they will be relaunching it. Another reason to go niche.

kincaid - It seems to me there are two basic directions to go. Either choose a name with good keywords in it or an unrelated name that is memorable. I chose the former for my site - farmads.ie . The biggest issue in setting up a site like that is getting people to think that it's worthwhile to place an ad. The majority of people that will come across a new ads site will just presume that there is not much point placing an ad because so few people will see it. That's the inital hump to get over. Make it look useful.