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Going to South America, Advice needed!

  • 23-02-2010 9:29pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11


    Hey all,

    As the title goes i'm heading to south america soon for 6 weeks. Plan is to fly in to rio, head down to buenos aries and then make our way up to peru.

    Could do with some suggestions on what can't be missed, what to bring etc.

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭v.e.r.b.a.l


    It all depends on how long you have and where you're flying home from.

    If you're starting in Rio and going to Peru, I'd suggest travelling South in Brazil with a detour to Iguassu Falls to Uruguay, spend a bit of time there (if the weather's nice try the beaches, otherwise Montevideo and Colonia are worth a few days and the steaks are great!). Then get the ferry across to Buenos Aires, spend some time there, then head south to Patagonia. You can get the bus south to Puerto Madryn to see the Southern Right Whales (if it's the right time of the year) and then another bus to El Calafate where you can see the Perito Moreno Glacier. That's unmissable!!

    You can try Bariloche (can't advise on it - didn't go, but heard it was great for skiing) and Mendoza is a great place to do wine tasting and chill. Salta is a nice place in the north of Argentina to break up the journey into Bolivia.

    You can cross to Chile first to see San Pedro De Atacama, the valley of the moon, a really cool desert where you can sandboard. From there you can get a tour of the Salar De Uyuni in Bolivia. The Salt Plains are another unmissable thing in South America. We heard that the tours aren't as good from that side as from Uyuni, but saying that only about 3 of the 60 or so in Uyuni are good, so if you want advice on that PM me.

    In Bolivia you can spend a little bit of time trekking or horseriding around Tupiza (the area Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid used to rob trains and banks in) and head North to Potosí. In Potosí you can do a tour of the mines there. It's pretty tough going physically and mentally, but really worth it. Be prepared for altitude in Bolivia and parts of Peru. Get some Diamox tablets before you leave and drink lots of Coca tea when you're there. From Potosí you can chill out in Sucre, a gorgeous town unlike the whole rest of Bolivia. In La Paz, you can cycle the World's Most Dangerous Road - it's just as it sounds, people really die and injure themselves here, but it's such a cool experience it's def worth the risk. Just don't go out drinking or doing drugs the night before and take it easy and enjoy the scenery. If you do it, go with Gravity. They're the only reliable company doing it. YOu hear shock stories about bikes with no brakes etc. Plus with Gravity, you can arrange a night in La Senda Verde, a wildlife sanctuary where the tour ends. You might even end up volunteering there - it's a really cool place full of monkeys, parrotts, a spectacled bear and lots of free-roaming animals rescued from the horrible market in La Paz. You can finish Bolivia off with a visit to chilled-out Copacabana and a trek on Isla Del Sol on Lake Titicaca.

    You can cross from here to Puno in Peru and do the Peruvian version of the islands on Titicaca. Don't let this first impression of Peru put you off. It's very overly touristy and a bit lame at times, but interesting all the same. The floating Uros reed islands are interesting for what they are, but clearly now only used for a tourist attraction. You can stay with a family on Amantani island which is authentic enough, except for the big impromtu festival they have that night, where they dress you up and you head out for a night of dancing! From Puno you can head to Arrequipa, a really nice town. From there you can do a trek of the Colca Canyon, one of the world's deepest canyons. It takes three days and is pretty tough, but really amazing. Land Adventures are brilliant and make sure you ask for Carlitos as your guide. You can head north from here to Cusco. The obvious attraction around Cusco is Macchu Pichu. I can't reccomend the Inca Trail enough. This is truely unmissable. YOu hear a lot of people say it's overly touristy and crowded and you should do an alternative trek instead, but that's bull****. The Inca Trail is heavily regulated - there's only a certain amount of people allowed each day and besides the first and last day, you really don't feel like you're overcrowded. You'd need to book almost 6 months in advance and it's closed for the whole of Feb. Plus I'm not sure of the situation now with the floods. You see lots of other amazing ruins along the way and arriving at the sungate as the sun rises over Macchu Pichu is an unforgettable experience. If you have to do an alternative trek, we heard good things about Salkantay, which brings you on a more natural trek for 4 days at altitude, finishing at Macchu Pichu. I didn't hear so many good things about Lares. Don't neglect Lima - it's just a big city, but a nice one. Worth a couple of days to explore the old quarter and the catacombs and relax. Between Cusco and Lima are the Nazca lines. Didn't have time to do it ourselves, but sounded pretty cool. They're these huge crop circles only visible from the air made by the Nazca tribe. You have to hop up in a tiny plane that lunges from side to side so each person can see - can be a bit tough on the nervous flier or weak-stomached i hear!

    The most important thing to bring with you is Diamox tablets for Bolivia and Peru and any altitude over 2,500m (although it really doesn't bother you until about 3,5000m). They're a lot harder to get out there and very valuable. I stopped taking them and ended up with altitude sickness for 4 days. It was the worst sick I've ever been in my life!! Also, some warm clothes for trekking and being at altitude and depending on what time of the year, it might be very cold in Patagonia and the rest of Argentina.

    I've lots of advice about other places too like where to stay in Rio, and info about Chile and Ecuador if you need it!!

    Enjoy, South America is my favourite place in the world! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭HankScorpio1985


    It all depends on how long you have and where you're flying home from.

    If you're starting in Rio and going to Peru, I'd suggest travelling South in Brazil with a detour to Iguassu Falls to Uruguay, spend a bit of time there (if the weather's nice try the beaches, otherwise Montevideo and Colonia are worth a few days and the steaks are great!). Then get the ferry across to Buenos Aires, spend some time there, then head south to Patagonia. You can get the bus south to Puerto Madryn to see the Southern Right Whales (if it's the right time of the year) and then another bus to El Calafate where you can see the Perito Moreno Glacier. That's unmissable!!

    You can try Bariloche (can't advise on it - didn't go, but heard it was great for skiing) and Mendoza is a great place to do wine tasting and chill. Salta is a nice place in the north of Argentina to break up the journey into Bolivia.

    You can cross to Chile first to see San Pedro De Atacama, the valley of the moon, a really cool desert where you can sandboard. From there you can get a tour of the Salar De Uyuni in Bolivia. The Salt Plains are another unmissable thing in South America. We heard that the tours aren't as good from that side as from Uyuni, but saying that only about 3 of the 60 or so in Uyuni are good, so if you want advice on that PM me.

    In Bolivia you can spend a little bit of time trekking or horseriding around Tupiza (the area Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid used to rob trains and banks in) and head North to Potosí. In Potosí you can do a tour of the mines there. It's pretty tough going physically and mentally, but really worth it. Be prepared for altitude in Bolivia and parts of Peru. Get some Diamox tablets before you leave and drink lots of Coca tea when you're there. From Potosí you can chill out in Sucre, a gorgeous town unlike the whole rest of Bolivia. In La Paz, you can cycle the World's Most Dangerous Road - it's just as it sounds, people really die and injure themselves here, but it's such a cool experience it's def worth the risk. Just don't go out drinking or doing drugs the night before and take it easy and enjoy the scenery. If you do it, go with Gravity. They're the only reliable company doing it. YOu hear shock stories about bikes with no brakes etc. Plus with Gravity, you can arrange a night in La Senda Verde, a wildlife sanctuary where the tour ends. You might even end up volunteering there - it's a really cool place full of monkeys, parrotts, a spectacled bear and lots of free-roaming animals rescued from the horrible market in La Paz. You can finish Bolivia off with a visit to chilled-out Copacabana and a trek on Isla Del Sol on Lake Titicaca.

    You can cross from here to Puno in Peru and do the Peruvian version of the islands on Titicaca. Don't let this first impression of Peru put you off. It's very overly touristy and a bit lame at times, but interesting all the same. The floating Uros reed islands are interesting for what they are, but clearly now only used for a tourist attraction. You can stay with a family on Amantani island which is authentic enough, except for the big impromtu festival they have that night, where they dress you up and you head out for a night of dancing! From Puno you can head to Arrequipa, a really nice town. From there you can do a trek of the Colca Canyon, one of the world's deepest canyons. It takes three days and is pretty tough, but really amazing. Land Adventures are brilliant and make sure you ask for Carlitos as your guide. You can head north from here to Cusco. The obvious attraction around Cusco is Macchu Pichu. I can't reccomend the Inca Trail enough. This is truely unmissable. YOu hear a lot of people say it's overly touristy and crowded and you should do an alternative trek instead, but that's bull****. The Inca Trail is heavily regulated - there's only a certain amount of people allowed each day and besides the first and last day, you really don't feel like you're overcrowded. You'd need to book almost 6 months in advance and it's closed for the whole of Feb. Plus I'm not sure of the situation now with the floods. You see lots of other amazing ruins along the way and arriving at the sungate as the sun rises over Macchu Pichu is an unforgettable experience. If you have to do an alternative trek, we heard good things about Salkantay, which brings you on a more natural trek for 4 days at altitude, finishing at Macchu Pichu. I didn't hear so many good things about Lares. Don't neglect Lima - it's just a big city, but a nice one. Worth a couple of days to explore the old quarter and the catacombs and relax. Between Cusco and Lima are the Nazca lines. Didn't have time to do it ourselves, but sounded pretty cool. They're these huge crop circles only visible from the air made by the Nazca tribe. You have to hop up in a tiny plane that lunges from side to side so each person can see - can be a bit tough on the nervous flier or weak-stomached i hear!

    The most important thing to bring with you is Diamox tablets for Bolivia and Peru and any altitude over 2,500m (although it really doesn't bother you until about 3,5000m). They're a lot harder to get out there and very valuable. I stopped taking them and ended up with altitude sickness for 4 days. It was the worst sick I've ever been in my life!! Also, some warm clothes for trekking and being at altitude and depending on what time of the year, it might be very cold in Patagonia and the rest of Argentina.

    I've lots of advice about other places too like where to stay in Rio, and info about Chile and Ecuador if you need it!!

    Enjoy, South America is my favourite place in the world! :D


    +1

    Thats some fantastic information. I was there about a year and a half ago and its definitely the best trip i have taken. Bolivia was my favourite place by far. Try and go to rurrenabaque while you are in Bolivia. Its a town in the amazon and from there you can go on amazon treks and wildlife tours etc. which are unmissable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭darrenh


    Verbal has hit the nail on the head. Follow that and your in for a ball. The altitude sickness can be a pain in the arse if you get it, regardless of fitness. My first night i was out of breath for about five minutes after climbing onto the top bunk of my bed! I felt like an unfit ejit but thats what it does to you. We just took aspirin(it thins your blood) and that did us. If it affects you Diamox could be your answer. Oxygen tanks are available if you ask for one. Buses and tour agencies have them. Drink plenty of cocca tea and chew the leaves. Our doctor advised us to use them. Dont believe the 'you'll test positive for coke' rumours you'll hear.

    Head torches are very handy and if you have a small laptop and like to use the net, there is free wi-fi in a lot of hostels in SA.

    I'm jealous. Enjoy. It's everyones favorite place.

    http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Wanderly-Wagon/Trips/2613 some blogs with pics that might wet your appetite!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 readytotravel


    wow loads of info here. im heading to south america for 3 monthes flying off the 14th of march. plan is buenes aires, rio, bolivia, peru and ecuador. trying to decide whether to do icquazu falls after buenes aires or rio. it seems closer to buenes aires but as our plan is to hit bolivia after brazil we think this might be a good way to break the long journey any suggestions


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,575 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    I did that. Went from Sao Paulo to the falls on an overnight bus. Would be another 6 hours if you're going straight from Rio so you might wanna break it up. Then you have to go through Paraguay, which really hasn't a lot going for it. And then into Bolivia, which like a lot of people, was my favouite country.
    I also had a blog there - www.tuisligh.com
    Have fun!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭v.e.r.b.a.l


    We had a lot of deliberation over this route too, but in the opposite direction.

    I'd suggest going from BA across to Uruguay to spend a few days in Colonia, where the ferry will drop you, then Montevideo and if the season's right, the beaches like Punta Del Este. Then head North on a bus to Rio (you could break the journey up in Florianopolis).

    Then from Rio, you can get a bus to Foz De Iguacu (the Brazilian side) and cross to Puerto Iguassu (the Argentinian side) and bypass Paraguay completely. You can stop off in Salta, a lovely little town to spend a couple of days and then get a bus to San Pedro De Atacama in Chile to see the Atacama Desert and do some sandboarding. Then organise a tour of the Salar De Uyuni from there, but ask for advice of anyone who's gotten a tour from there, cos I can only advise a company from the Uyuni side (and I heard a couple of horror stories from the Chile side). I'm sure there's a good company or two!!

    That'll get you to Bolivia ok. Plus you get to skip Paraguay and the "death train" into Santa Cruz. It also saves travelling all the way South from Santa Cruz to Uyuni and back up to La Paz. I know there's a lot of other travelling from Rio to Iguassu etc, but you get to see some really nice places this way.

    Just a suggestion!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭darrenh


    I used Estrella Del Sur for the salt flats tour from San Pedro. They were very good and its more about the guide you get than the company. Try and stay away from the Salt Hotels. They are destroying the environment and being closed down. The Salt Flats is all about the guide rather than the company from what I could gather. Ours couldn't speak English but we had travelers with us who spoke Spanish. He turned out to be excellent. Abraham. A true gent. He drove us all around Unyni to find a hotel at the end of our trip. He told the receptionist that we were his friends and to do us a deal. We splashed out and got a nice hotel room which was $45 and about $35 over our budget. It was a nice bit of luxury though! Some other companies the guides are hell bent on a piss up and alcohol at 5000m is ill advised. Queue chronic hangovers and headaches. Some are even drunk driving the next day. Drivers that is. Be prepared for a breakdown, you'll understand when you see the terrain. Its all part and parcel of the trip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭v.e.r.b.a.l


    Yeah, the stories we've heard about other people's tours there have been shocking. We were lucky and had a great guide and some great, funny drivers. The company is Andes Salt Expeditions, but they run out of Uyuni, not San Pedro.

    The worst story I heard recently was from a Spanish couple we met. On the first night, their drivers and guide stayed up all night drinking WAY too much. They were so drunk in the morning that they actually couldn't stand or walk, nevermind drive. The Spanish had to take the keys off them and not let them drive. They were lucky that some Russians were driving the Salt Plains in their own jeeps, with walkie talkies and GPS maps. The Spanish girl had to drive the jeep herself, with the driver sulking in the front seat refusing to give her directions because she wouldn't let him drive!! The Russians drove in convoy with them, giving them directions over walkie talkies!!

    Crazy stuff, but it does make a great story later on!!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,575 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    We started our Salt Flats tour in Tupiza which we thought was great. A lot less people than seemed to be leaving from Uyuni. We were in a convoy of two jeeps, and neither guide spoke English. We ended up translating the whole time for the other tourists so good advice would be to learn a few words!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭v.e.r.b.a.l


    Yeah, I heard the ones from Tupiza are quite good. We didn't get one there because we couldn't organise them to drop us at San Pedro after though. Learning Spanish makes South America a much better experience!! Highly recommended to even learn the basics!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 tall30


    Thanks for the great reply's, i'm going to have to take some time and have a good read over them.

    How did ye manage with spending money, would it be ok just to use a credit card

    Thanks again
    tall30


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