the best sniper rifle for a first timer?

kingaaa

going to get my first rifle, im only interested in target shooting - nothing else. I was looking at the steyr sgg with a scope, but its not very highly thought of on this forum. Is there a better rifle for around the same money?

cheers

swiftblade

JG Bar 10 or Well L96. Both good, but the JG bar 10 is proubley a little bit better. The JG is also alot easier to find parts for it.

Leftyflip

*Decides to contradict the wonderful Swiftblade*
I prefer the L96, I've a Bar-10 myself, but I'd gladly trade it for an L96 anyday. Very nice rifle, good balance, accurate and just awesome in general.

swiftblade

I thought the exact same Lefty until i went to look for parts. It bloody hard, if not impossible to find any, but the L96 is a lovely rifle. It all depends what your looking for. The L96 has more going for it in the way of looks. imo

MerryDespot

Leftyflip wrote: »

*Decides to contradict the wonderful Swiftblade*
I prefer the L96, I've a Bar-10 myself, but I'd gladly trade it for an L96 anyday. Very nice rifle, good balance, accurate and just awesome in general.

Err, Lefty, is this not something to do with your 'rifle that loves to hate me' comments about the JG recently?!:D

Leftyflip

MerryDespot wrote: »

Err, Lefty, is this not something to do with your 'rifle that loves to hate me' comments about the JG recently?!:D

No its not, I really like the Bar-10, but I find the L96 more comfortable.

andy_g

Leftyflip wrote: »

No its not, I really like the Bar-10, but I find the L96 more comfortable.

its just because ya have seen what an upgraded 96 is like aint it lefty

MacAonghusa

kingaaa wrote: »

going to get my first rifle, im only interested in target shooting - nothing else. I was looking at the steyr sgg with a scope, but its not very highly thought of on this forum. Is there a better rifle for around the same money?

cheers

The Steyr is probably fine. As is the JG Bar 10 or if you have the money i'd stretch for the TM VSR 10. They're all nice and quiet.

You could also consider something like an M14 or CA8-2 just in case you decide to hit the skirmish field and want a bit more fire power.

Masada

it would be between the BAR-10 and the L96, But i would choose the bar 10 much sooner than the Well L96. the trigger group on the L96 is plastic and it can crack its casing. getting spare parts is very difficult and the hopup isnt as good as that of the BAR-10.

With the BAR you'll be able to install pretty much anything thats made for the very popular TM VSR G-Spec. a huge amount of upgrades are available and taking the gun apart is very simple.

Daz1214

Masada wrote: »

it would be between the BAR-10 and the L96, But i would choose the bar 10 much sooner than the Well L96. the trigger group on the L96 is plastic and it can crack its casing. getting spare parts is very difficult and the hopup isnt as good as that of the BAR-10.

With the BAR you'll be able to install pretty much anything thats made for the very popular TM VSR G-Spec. a huge amount of upgrades are available and taking the gun apart is very simple.

+1

Firekitten

swiftblade wrote: »

I thought the exact same Lefty until i went to look for parts. It bloody hard, if not impossible to find any, but the L96 is a lovely rifle. It all depends what your looking for. The L96 has more going for it in the way of looks. imo

Hard to find parts?

Now that just depends what we talk about... warrior/ well l96 models, total aps type 96 (new type) copy. takes all the upgrades for the popular aps type 96 series!

Maruzen Aps 2 type96 parts fit the warrior l96, only specific part is the cylinder which is the aps type 96 new style cylinder, NOT old. Otherwise... total copy.

bar10... pretty much a total copy and takes all vsr upgrades, though do the cylinder and head at once, the thread on the bar10 one is odd.

Otherwise. both are easy to find parts for. Whats the fuss?
As for trigger units cracking? An issue at high fps, at 1j, not much of an issue at all actually.
The Styr SGG is a piece of ass, unless, of course, we refer to the aps 2 by maruzen... same boat as the l96.

Out of the box, the bar10 is the king, however, I must disagree on the end result for a sniper. the 96 is far superior upgraded to the maximum than the bar10. and the PDI hop unit takes the bar10 for a ride with whips, cellary and a flying helmet...

swiftblade

Firekitten wrote: »

Hard to find parts?

Maruzen Aps 2 type96 parts fit the warrior l96, only specific part is the cylinder which is the aps type 96 new style cylinder, NOT old. Otherwise... total copy.

bar10... pretty much a total copy and takes all vsr upgrades, though do the cylinder and head at once, the thread on the bar10 one is odd.

Otherwise. both are easy to find parts for. Whats the fuss?

Do you know any websites that stock L96 parts? Would be much apprecieted Back on topic now.....;)

Firekitten

http://www.fire-support.co.uk/

http://www.landwarriorairsoft.com/

and www.ehobbyasia.com or nearly all retailers in the 'kong...

Danin

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kingaaa

what type of money is an m14?

jeawan

Firekitten what rifle would you to start off with then i'd rather a bolt action as i have an M4 if i want to offload in full auto . i was looking ta the well L96 or the Bar -10 is there much difference i know you were saying earlier to upgrade certain parts is this hard to do ? again i am new into the game enjoyed the M4 allot but would love to try the single shot sniper rifles instead.

Also the scout M14 is about 300+ euro i think

Danin

Firekitten wrote: »

I think you entirely missed the point there... some garbled facts and missinformation, but generally missed the point.

Going with with the m14 with experience of all 3 makes me seriously doubt either your play style being that of the sniper (much more like a rifleman that want to use a sniper rifle, cod 4 anyone?), or your experience existing at all... as its easily outclassed by the vsr even at 1j, as does the l96.... (On that note, can we qualify WHICH l96 we mean? as half of people here think the agm is what we mean, or the well, or the warrior... for the record my references have been to the maruzen/well/warrior system)


what kind of money is an m14?




Generally Euros.

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Daz1214

i think for a first timer, bang for buck the bar 10 is probably the best option..its easy to use and comes with a pretty good scope..i have one and its very good..so for experienced and beginner players

Puding

For that matter if you want to stop and take a look at what a modern snipers role in the military today is, is to spot potential targets and report back and is very rarely ever given the opportunity to engage.

true 10 years ago but not any more snipers and the dmr ( dmr role is far more reluvent to sniping in airsoft really) are some of the most active units going operating in target rich enviroments with a lot of direct action, if you get a chance have a look at a book called trigger men, rather interesting read, your comments on real world and airsoft are a little jumbled up and could cause confusion, for you notes on range could be very confusing

but that's off topic , anyway I think everyone is getting a little pedantic at this point, to the op when you say first time is this first time in sniping or first time for airsoft in general

evilrobotshane

I think it's worth remembering that the original poster isn't at all interested in playing airsoft, so discussion of roles and flexibility is purely for its own sake.

Puding

Fair point, for me then it would still have to be a springer which one is up to you and really comes down to personal preferance on looks, all can provide the same level of constistancy with a little work

Danin

Puding wrote: »

Fair point, for me then it would still have to be a springer which one is up to you and really comes down to personal preferance on looks, all can provide the same level of constistancy with a little work

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Firekitten

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I was unclear in my original post, I was not calling Danin's experience into question.

Shiva

Firekitten wrote: »

If Danin was a little slower on his trigger, he might notice i attacked his opinion on factual grounds.

If his experience of the three rifles discusssed suggets a relativcely short barreled aeg is a superior sniper weapon to two of the most highly regarded sniper weapons in the sport (in terms of system and box performance even in the copies) then yes, i do question his opinion. Appologies if it came over as rude.

See.....heres where I see the problem, as an observer....

This isnt a personal attack, or a dig at you in any way, just my observation. Its honestly meant in good faith though, so take it as you will.

Almost every single one of your posts has juicy, relevant and valuable information worth sharing. The problem is that your delivery of it can be somewhat sarcastic and condescending, and even aggressive in some cases. This winds people up. While you can say thats just your style, and in fact you'd have every right to say it, you need to realise it winds peopel up sometimes. People who should know better in many cases. So yeah, if its your style and you dont want to compromise, then thats fine...but you have to accept there will be consequences. I suspect that trainwreck of a an M4 vs AK thread that resulted in you being banned would have received a much better response if you didnt have history with some of the posters.

Again, just my opinion, and nothing personal.

In this case, calling into question Danin's experience when you have no idea who he is perhaps a little condescending. As it happens, he has a lot of airsoft experience, and has posted a lot here, but just not under that nickname. Its a similar situation to a little tiff that erupted awhile back when you thought Thermo had no experience.

Again, I want to reiterate, I'm not having a go here.
But can WE ALL please just stop and re-read what we're about to post in future before hitting the submit button, to avoid every single thread descending to petty bickering because someone gets their nose out of joint? Its very very boring at this stage.

Danin is right...an awful lot of long term posters just don't bother anymore because they're sick and tired of this stuff, and its not because its any one persons fault - its because everyone is at fault.

Anyway....thats my piece...sorry for going even further off-topic.

Danin

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Lemming

Danin wrote: »

exactly the reason why I suggested the m14 in an airsoft environment

I believe she was referring to the concept of trying airsoft as a general concept before specialising. Not sniping as a general concept before specialising. And tbpfh, she's right. Jumping straight into a restricted role (or being shoe-horned in by proxy via kit choice) gives you a far more limited first impression ergo greater chance of being underwhelmed. I can think of a few long-standing players who bought bolties early on and have since divested themselves of the notion of sniping because they didn't like it. I've italicised the relevant words in the above sentence for brevity.

But all of this is academic since the OP doesn't appear to have much interest in skirmishing.

Danin wrote: »

Please Firekitten stop with this already it's going somewhere it doesn't need to go

can we leave it at that or you can feel free to take as many pot-shots as you like if it makes you feel better. I'm not the one on the attack

Quoted for pure hypocritical irony. That is all.

Danin

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Lemming

Danin wrote: »

ahh here....

the whole reason I suggested the m14 in the first place was so that he would not get boxed in with a bolt action and have to get another aeg if he didnt like it straight away.

One word; moot.

gungun

right, so either a bar 10, l96 (but not the agm) or if you can stretch a bit more a tm vsr varient

can we leave it at that?

Sod'o swords

What you find with most people is, they play COD, think snipers are deadly, and assume they're the same in Airsoft. So you'll get a sniper + Degale combo.

But with the power restriction we have, they have the same range as most AEG's, most games are close enough combat, so doesn't suit snipers. Of course, there's some people who do well with snipers, and i'm not discrediting them. In most cases people won't enjoy it, and Adverts will be flooded with more Snipers and Desert Eagles.

I'd say get an AEG, and just try a sniper role with it.
The only difference is, you're not as silent as a bolt action.
But you'll get a feel for it.

jeawan

gungun wrote: »

right, so either a bar 10, l96 (but not the agm) or if you can stretch a bit more a tm vsr varient

can we leave it at that?

Here is a valid question i think , If I am buying a BAR 10 what make would be advisable to get and also do any Irish shops stock them and if so which shops , also is the TM VSR available in the country ?

gungun

jeawan wrote: »

Here is a valid question i think , If I am buying a BAR 10 what make would be advisable to get and also do any Irish shops stock them and if so which shops , also is the TM VSR available in the country ?

well jg do the bar 10 (clone of the tm vsr 10)
and i do believe eirsoft stock them, but check with Tony (Shiva) to be safe:)

i dont have any experience with the bar 10 but i have a tm vsr g-spec
its absolutly brilliant:)

jeawan

gungun wrote: »

well jg do the bar 10 (clone of the tm vsr 10)
and i do believe eirsoft stock them, but check with Tony (Shiva) to be safe:)

i dont have any experience with the bar 10 but i have a tm vsr g-spec
its absolutly brilliant:)

Cheers Gungun were did you get the tm vsr ? id love to try sniper i reckon id enjoy it but i may just buy a bar for the moment it probably the cheaper option

Firekitten

jeawan wrote: »

Firekitten what rifle would you to start off with then i'd rather a bolt action as i have an M4 if i want to offload in full auto . i was looking ta the well L96 or the Bar -10 is there much difference i know you were saying earlier to upgrade certain parts is this hard to do ? again i am new into the game enjoyed the M4 allot but would love to try the single shot sniper rifles instead.

Also the scout M14 is about 300+ euro i think

I suggest you stick with your m4 for a while hon as I mentioned in PM, try the role, then i'd advise the vsr10 if you enjoy it

Daz1214

tony in eirsoft should be able to source you one

gungun

jeawan wrote: »

Cheers Gungun were did you get the tm vsr ? id love to try sniper i reckon id enjoy it but i may just buy a bar for the moment it probably the cheaper option

bought mine from airsofteire
but if you just want it for target shooting then id say the bar 10 is grand
and if you ever feel the need to upgrade it its compatible (99% sure it is) with the vsr parts, and theres no shortage of vsr parts:)

Firekitten

Only incompatability with vsr10 parts is if you upgrade your cylinder or air nozzle, do both at once, as the vsr and bar threads differ slightly.

gungun

thanks Fk, forgot you mentioned that:)

TheDoc

Shiva wrote: »

Danin is right...an awful lot of long term posters just don't bother anymore because they're sick and tired of this stuff, and its not because its any one persons fault - its because everyone is at fault.

Like to highlight that for obvious reasons. alot of great posters and great individuals of insight, intellegence and valid expression ,have dissapeared.

I know I'm slowly turning into one of them

Blazer

I'm leaning towards this one...supposed to be the best L96 out there and after reading loads of reviews on it all gave it an excellent rating.
The rifle is also compatible with VSR upgrades so that's good to know as well...
It's expensive but well worth it...
All you need is the scope for it ...


http://www.airsofteire.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=537&category_id=23&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

o1s1n

Thread closed pending review due to the number of reported posts. Will try to reopen it once we've had a look over to see what the problem was (And take any action if required)

o1s1n

TheDoc wrote: »

Like to highlight that for obvious reasons. alot of great posters and great individuals of insight, intellegence and valid expression ,have dissapeared.

I know I'm slowly turning into one of them

I haven't had a chance to read over this thread, but this post just caught my eye.

Unfortunately, due to the nature of this forum, there has always been bickering over one thing or another. I'm sure those who have been here since the very beginning in 06 will realize that. If it's not one thing it's another. I've literally completely lost count of the amount of issues we've had over the years. From political, to trolls threatening the sport (And my life) it's just been all go.

We try to keep it at bay, and do sometimes for long periods of time, but something always pops up in the end.

To the regulars who are getting pissed off I'll just say this - you know what this place is like. It's a great source of information but it's also a great source of the Dramaz. We can ban people for being idiots/trollish but in the end, I really cannot see the Dramaz vanishing for good, ever. It is just too volatile a sport. But I'm sure being a regular poster you know that already

Push on, report the posts, and hopefully we can do soemthing about it.