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All Ireland Football Champions 2010- will we break the Kerry Tyrone strangle.
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22-02-2010 6:37pm#1
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There is one huge inaccuracy with your title, I'll give you a chance to change it before I point it out
Until Cork can stop choking against Kerry in Croke Park I'm leaving the title as is
Galway are like Kerry- a different animal in Croke Park. Mayo seem to choke every time they get there, recently and historically. No team has lost more finals.
Galway like the open space in Croker and where I fancy them is really a number of outstanding performances in Croker no more so than their appearance against Kerry in 2008 under the floodlights in the torrents. With an organised defence they will be right in there.
I'm from Kerry by the way so I've no biased towards Galway. Looking objectively I do fancy them. Even if they lose Connacht, which they might a nice draw for the qualifiers will give them every chance and 14/1 is a brilliant return for a team that I think is going to make waves this year.
I thought they were dark horses in 2008, and they did outstanding. I thought they wouldn't have the half back line last year to contend but do not underestimate the organisational capabilities of Kernan.0 -
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homerjay2005 wrote: »kerry are in big trouble this year. we have lost 4 of our starting 15 plus sean sullivan. while tommy walsh and tadhg kennelly may come back one day, the future looks bleak
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We're not that easily fooled. Kerry will be knocking around Croke Park in August as per usual.WesternZulu wrote: »Kerry may be a different animal in croke park but Galway they are not...they have not won a game in croker since 2001!!
Plus they have only beaten louth outside connacht since.
It's true about not winning there in recent years, but Galway have traditionally handled the big days in Croke Park better than Mayo have. And btw, Galway have only played 5 championship games in Croker since 2001, these games included a draw against Donegal, narrow defeats to Cork and Tyrone and that classic in the rain against kerry, so it's not as bad a record as it sounds.Mayo for all their flaws at least have won a lot of matchs in croke park in the years since even though they are percieved as "chokers"!
Mayo are perceived as chokers because they have bottled it on the biggest day, the All-Ireland Final. Not just once but twice very badly in recent years.Every year its the same, Galway given credit without much merit besides an all-ireland 9 years ago and the lazy tag of mayo as "bottlers" who have forwards who cannot hit a cows arse with a banjo compared to the "majestic and free scoring" forwards of galway :rolleyes:
Look I do agree with some of what you are saying. Galway ARE currently overrated by many, but any follower of Galway footballers wil admit as much. You won't see the Galway lads coming on here blowing about how we're going to win the All-Ireland. We know the team has weaknesses, most glaringly in midfield, and I don't think Kernan is any closer to solving that problem. I would agree that Mayo have a better look about them at the moment, they will be hard to beat but is this Mayo team good enough to go all the way? Right now I would say no, but the next couple of years could have possibilities.0 -
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Our main weakness is, and has been, midfield. That needs to be sorted out soon. I have hopes for what Kernan can do for the team, but we're not on for AI glory this year at least
As to the thread title, I can only see it being Cork to disrupt the strangle this year.0 -
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Mr. Incognito wrote: »Okay, maybe I wasn't clear on that.
1. I seem to remember Mayo beating Galway out the gate in that game in the first half and then leaking scores. And have you not just proved my point that Galway have a crap defence too? and you are heralding Mayo's defence after two games IN THE LEAGUE??
2. These myths come from 9 All Irelands for Galway and 3 for Mayo. One could argue that Galway are three times better than the average banana skinned Mayo.
1. I would still call a 7 point win as beating Galway out the gate. You also forgot Mayo had 14 men for most of the second half & still won at a canter.
2. Well thats counting this one :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_1925
"However it was in Connacht, that the real drama took place, defining the Championship. A total of seven replays, many as a result of objections, took place. It was a real saga between Roscommon and Sligo, meeting six times before Sligo prevailed in the final encounter, 2-03 to 0-02. Galway and Leitrim drew twice before Galway decided the affair, 1-05 to 0-04.
From here on, confusion reigned. Mayo defeated Wexford in the All-Ireland semi-final before beating Sligo in the provincial semi-final. The other semi-final saw both Kerry and Cavan disqualified after an objection and a counter-objection. This left Mayo and Galway the only undefeated teams left in the Championship.
The amount of replays had delayed the Connacht final for a long period, by which time Mayo had already beaten Wexford in the semi-final. The final was played at Tuam and Galway defeated Mayo by a scoreline of 1-05 to 1-03. They were later declared All-Ireland Champions for the first time in their history. They would later win the title proper in 1934.
It is has to be said that 1925 was not one of Gaelic Football's best years."
Also on your logic Kerry should be at least 12 times better than Tyrone, doesn't work out that way on All-Ireland Day though does it!
While I have no illusions that Mayo will win Sam this year I would be more than confident that Mayo will progress further than Galway. I have felt that Mayo on the whole have been the better team of the two as far back as 02/03. A few blips here and there but Mayo have always been the quicker of the two to recover. Joe Kernan will bring something new to Galway but not Sam, League or a Connacht Title 0 -
RocketRonnie wrote: »^^^^
I think people are writing Galway off premeturly
June 27'th 5- n-a-row day 0 -
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WesternZulu wrote: »Anyway we are not going to win it...cork has my vote, dont want to write off kerry but they have lost too many important players, would love if someone new besides cork, kerry or tyrone emerging to win in september.
Cork might have been in the final a number of times of late but haven't won it, therefore I think they qualify as "someone new" winning it and not grouped in with Kerry and Tyrone.
Lets hope they do it anyway 0 -
Cork won Munster last year, beating Kerry in the final. Kerry go on to be them in the All Ireland. Do a poll on here and ask if anyone in Kerry would swap the AI medals for the Munster ones.
An uncle of mine was speaking to a friend and former AI winning Kerry player who is now well into his Autumn years (I dont know who but wouldnt say it on a public forum anyway) after last years final.
The subject of the provincials and back door system came up and the former player gave his opinion on it (direct quote)....
"It is my considered opinion that next years Munster meeting of Kerry and Cork is going to be a nil all draw!"
I thought it said a great deal about the structuring of the provincials and there worth in the run up to AI glory.0 -
Cork might have been in the final a number of times of late but haven't won it, therefore I think they qualify as "someone new" winning it and not grouped in with Kerry and Tyrone.
Lets hope they do it anyway
Yea i know but still would add a bit more of a buzz if one of the teams from the rest of the chasing pack emerged from nowhere to win an AI...i live in hope more than anything else though, there is not much evidence to show that it wont be anyone other than cork, kerry or tyrone this year.0 -
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An uncle of mine was speaking to a friend and former AI winning Kerry player who is now well into his Autumn years (I dont know who but wouldnt say it on a public forum anyway) after last years final.
The subject of the provincials and back door system came up and the former player gave his opinion on it (direct quote)....
"It is my considered opinion that next years Munster meeting of Kerry and Cork is going to be a nil all draw!"
I thought it said a great deal about the structuring of the provincials and there worth in the run up to AI glory.
Doesn't exactly narrow it down much in Kerry
There's quite a few banging around the place 0 -
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aidan24326 wrote: »Connaught is no more a nothing province than any other. Connaught has been a better standard than Leinster over the past decade. And the Munster Championship is a waste of time with Cork and Kerry winning 99% of all titles. At least in Connaught Roscommon and Sligo pose much more of a threat than the likes of Waterford and Clare ever will. Ros actually have 19 Connaught titles.
I don't have any disagreement with this really, the provinces are a waste of time.
I was merely attempting to point out that using Connaught results to suggest Galway have been better than Mayo over the last number of years is only something that would be relevant if Provincial results were important.
As provincial championships are compltely devalued since the advent of the back door system they simply aren't.aidan24326 wrote: »Er, yeah, so useless at national level that they're third in the list of honour behind Kerry and Dublin (actually second to Kerry over the last 80 years).
Fair play to you for coming in half way through the conversation and getting excited, but we were talking about 2002 - present. 0 -
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Derryleigh wrote: »Football definitely needs a Mayo, or Derry or Kildare to shock everyone and win it this year. A bit like the early 90's when the northern teams broke through. Football really needs something to happen like this, this year because it is in danger of dying a slow death. The whole championshop and league needs to be changed radically but thats another arguement and its not going to happen soon according to Cooney.
To be realistic about it, Derry, Kildare or Mayo for me are the only likely teams to break the Kerry Tyrone dominance although a real outside bet could be Down.
It would revitalise the GAA in these counties, get people and the media really going again, for by, the same old same old with Kerry and Tyrone which would mean that come All Ireland day, a lot less people would be interested.
Twould be even better if the Rossies could do it but pigs will fly!
First things first, why not Cork! If Cork where to win Sam this year it would be a change and revitalise the Championship. If Cork where to win this year it would be no less a breath of fresh air than had Mayo's failed attempts in the late '90's or mid '00 succeeded or Tyrone's initial failed attempts in the '90s or Cork's initial failings the late '80s. Cork has not broken through to win Sam yet. So Cork winning would be no less legitimate than Cork, Tyrone, Galway or say Down when they broke onto the scene and finally won Sam, be it a slow slog like Cork 20 years ago & Tyrone or the apparent race from the pack like Galway or Down.
Derry, Kildare or Mayo are unlikely to win Sam, a final appearance may be on the cards, I would add Galway and Dublin to that list (well Galway for the quarters ). Mayo and maybe Dublin IMO will be the best of this lot.
Lastly re Roscommon, as much as I would love to see a stronger Primrose & Blue, which would both raise the prestige and standards in Connacht, I think you should be happy to build and set yourselves targets. This would include divisional survival and thereafter in coming years promotion, Connacht titles and Under age Connacht titles (and A.I.s if you get a good run). Then you can build for Sam. However you need to be at the top of the pile in Connacht, good underage standing, div.1 or a top performer in div.2 before you can prepare to dream (or perhaps delude yourself, like Mayo & Dublin fans amongst others)0 -
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