public sector go slow

blacksmith105

re claiming back perosnal tax

my wife has been paying the income levy since its introduction and only discovered that she should not be paying it as she holds a full medical card . So got all the forms and information required by revenue to process her refund which is around 350.00 euro . Dropped the forms into my local revenue office bout 4 weeks ago and they said would have it processed within 2 weeks , rang last week to check as no sign of it and was told that workers in revenue have been instructed by their unions not to touch any new claims for 2010 and they would not be processing them until instructed to do so by their unions poss 6-8 months
As i am out of work at present 350.00 euro is a lot of money which my wife is legally entitled to but i cant understand how revenue workers who refuse to do their job are not in breach of contract with their employer ie the government and why a union is dictating what work is to be done and which is not , we need that money to pay the gas bill due to the long cold winter and if they are calling themselves civil servants they are not that civil to the public and are not serving them at all
I for one will start a campaign to have Michael O Leary enter into public life to serve the country and get rid of these wasters on guaranteed jobs, flexitime , uncertified sick days , good pension, free car parking , allowances to this and that . My best friend is in the public sector and even he admits it needs a major kick up the backside and those in it are living in a dreamworld
Public sector workers wont go out on a full strike why not .. cas they will lose a days pay and loss of tea breaks etc , instead they choose a go slow which is being dicated by the unions
Larkin and Connelly wanted justice for all and for the people not for those who only work a 34 hour week and cant be bothered to do what they are suposed to and serve the public
I know whats its like to have a pay cut and also to lose a job
Would be interested to hear any comments from public sector workers ..do you know fortunate u are to have a job . now just do it

woodseb

If the unions are telling staff not to do core duties and expect full pay for it they should just get out and strike - they can't have their cake and eat it too

The_Honeybadger

OP sorry to hear you are out of work, totally understand your frustration if you need that money, it is not right. I have my details ready to claim rent relief for the past few years I was gonna send it in this week, is there any point now . I'm of the opinion that they should just go on strike and be done with it, but I think the union bosses know that their members simply cannot afford a prolonged strike, and they won't have the support of the public either, so they see the go-slow as the only option open to them, as they still get full pay and inconvenience the gov no end. It doesn't take a genius to see that there is no chance of reversing the cuts but they will look impotent if they do nothing, hope they resolve this soon and you get your wifes refund.

Mr. Presentable

I know a couple of PS workers on " go slow" - what they are actually doing is just their jobs, no extra. So it is not the same as striking, they are simply keeping it to what they are employed to do.

I realise that is of no help to the OP, but they are "doing their job", to the best of my information.

mickoneill30

blacksmith105 wrote: »

rang last week to check as no sign of it and was told that workers in revenue have been instructed by their unions not to touch any new claims for 2010 and they would not be processing them until instructed to do so by their unions poss 6-8 months

nipplenuts wrote: »

I realise that is of no help to the OP, but they are "doing their job", to the best of my information.

Does their job not include processing claims from 2010?
Serious question (not trying to be smart).

gandalf

nipplenuts wrote: »

I know a couple of PS workers on " go slow" - what they are actually doing is just their jobs, no extra. So it is not the same as striking, they are simply keeping it to what they are employed to do.

I realise that is of no help to the OP, but they are "doing their job", to the best of my information.

Yes but is that because they have ambiguous contracts?

And how are management enforcing that they are actually doing their jobs considering that same management are also in the Unions carrying out this action.

I would consider not answering phones or leaving counters unmanned to be in breach of their obligations to serve the public. If it isn't what exactly are they there for?

problemchimp

I'm not a public sector worker by any means but it's not that long since nobody wanted these jobs in the public sector because everybody wanted a slice of the action and work for Intel or earn 2000euro p.w. as a carpenter. Should have saved your celtic tiger earnings instead of changing your car every year and spending your money on ****e that you don't need. I'm guilty of it myself. It's not the public sector workers we should be angry with, it's the wa***rs that spent the money on government jets, e-voting machines and Fas expences. Don't fall into the governments private V public divide and conquer trap. I genuinely hope you get your claim processed soon.

Head The Wall

problemchimp wrote: »

I'm not a public sector worker by any means but it's not that long since nobody wanted these jobs in the public sector because everybody wanted a slice of the action and work for Intel or earn 2000euro p.w. as a carpenter. Should have saved your celtic tiger earnings instead of changing your car every year and spending your money on ****e that you don't need. I'm guilty of it myself. It's not the public sector workers we should be angry with, it's the wa***rs that spent the money on government jets, e-voting machines and Fas expences. Don't fall into the governments private V public divide and conquer trap. I genuinely hope you get your claim processed soon.

This myth has been debunked on here many times noob

DJ_U4EA

They need a good kick in the arse, not sitting around "going slow" and not even bothering to answer the phones. I'm waiting on a JB claim (3 day week) for the past 8 weeks now, and each time I've rang in the past 3 weeks I'm told "its with the deciding officer".

Now I don't know if his job title is just a piss take or what, but any person who takes 8 weeks+ to make a decision should be sitting on the dole himself. Would you get away with this utterly irritating heel dragging in a private sector company? Like hell you would, it would be a P45 and straight out the door with you.

When the PS actually start doing some acceptable level of work then they can start their childish strike action. At present, my experience of their "service" is that they should all be on minimum wage.

gandalf

problemchimp wrote: »

I'm not a public sector worker by any means but it's not that long since nobody wanted these jobs in the public sector because everybody wanted a slice of the action and work for Intel or earn 2000euro p.w. as a carpenter. Should have saved your celtic tiger earnings instead of changing your car every year and spending your money on ****e that you don't need. I'm guilty of it myself. It's not the public sector workers we should be angry with, it's the wa***rs that spent the money on government jets, e-voting machines and Fas expences. Don't fall into the governments private V public divide and conquer trap. I genuinely hope you get your claim processed soon.

Sorry but I have to ask the question what's wrong with me wanting our tax monies to be spent in the most productive way possible. Its obvious to a lot of us that this isn't the case with the Public Service at the moment. The pay cuts that happened were a blunt instrument and weren't fair to those in the Public Service who do their jobs with honesty and hard work and carry those that don't.

This so called go slow, work to rule or whatever other label the unions care to call it is effecting services to the General Public and in some cases is making a sub-standard service worse.

For those in the Public Service who want to progress and deliver a top class service, for taxpayers who want value for their monies there needs to be a total change in the way the service operates and is delivered. Allowing so called work to rule actions continue that degrade and in some cases stop delivery of basic services to the public needs to be met with swift and decisive action by management up to termination of contracts.

DJ_U4EA

deadtiger wrote: »

Sorry but I have to ask the question what's wrong with me wanting our tax monies to be spent in the most productive way possible. Its obvious to a lot of us that this isn't the case with the Public Service at the moment. The pay cuts that happened were a blunt instrument and weren't fair to those in the Public Service who do their jobs with honesty and hard work and carry those that don't.

This so called go slow, work to rule or whatever other label the unions care to call it is effecting services to the General Public and in some cases is making a sub-standard service worse.

For those in the Public Service who want to progress and deliver a top class service, for taxpayers who want value for their monies there needs to be a total change in the way the service operates and is delivered. Allowing so called work to rule actions continue that degrade and in some cases stop delivery of basic services to the public needs to be met with swift and decisive action by management up to termination of contracts.

To make the PS an efficient value for money service, the unions simply have to go. I don't see what would be so hard about setting up regional HR offices for the PS? That way if the staff have concerns or issues regarding their employment and pay rates, they can man up like the rest of us and talk with the people in charge face to face. Nobody in the private sector needs to hide behind a union of arrogant loudmouths, why does the PS?

blacksmith105

looks guys i am not anti public sector by any means and i didnt waste my money during the boom i actually paid off most of my mortage as i could see the end coming about 4 years ago , what i am saying is public sector workers are not doing their jobs . when i go back to work and i dont do what i am instructed to do by my company or boss then i get the sack .. very simple
my best friend works in the dept of social welfare in newbridge and staff there can do what they like , sick days no problems he is planning to be sick for cheltenham week , how the hell can u plan to be sick in advance
very few public sectors workers wish to inflict the pain on the public but its their job to serve us when we are in need and lets be honest the union leaders are not poor by any means , i think larkin and connelly are turning if their graves to see the self centered out of date tossers that the union leaders have become
The needs of the Irish public are not being addressed , we fought to have social juctice and a fairer society that would be served by a public service for by people and by the people
if you dont like working in the CS then get out and see if you can get a job ... i dont think you will like it
Someone once said that leaving the service would be like leaving your mothers milk , safe , warm ,nurishing and always avaialble

doc_17

DJ_U4EA wrote: »

When the PS actually start doing some acceptable level of work then they can start their childish strike action. At present, my experience of their "service" is that they should all be on minimum wage.

Should all of the public service be on minimum wage? Nurses, doctors teachers, radiologists as well? Or just the civil service? I'm just wondering if you would make a distinction between the civil service (where the OPs legitimate beef lies) and the public sector in general.

ei.sdraob

blacksmith105 wrote: »

and was told that workers in revenue have been instructed by their unions not to touch any new claims for 2010 and they would not be processing them until instructed to do so by their unions poss 6-8 months

ive a large taxbill for blood-money next to me

can i take a leaf from the Revenue book and "go slow" paying it?

rightwingdub

mickeyk wrote: »

OP sorry to hear you are out of work, totally understand your frustration if you need that money, it is not right. I have my details ready to claim rent relief for the past few years I was gonna send it in this week, is there any point now . I'm of the opinion that they should just go on strike and be done with it, but I think the union bosses know that their members simply cannot afford a prolonged strike, and they won't have the support of the public either, so they see the go-slow as the only option open to them, as they still get full pay and inconvenience the gov no end. It doesn't take a genius to see that there is no chance of reversing the cuts but they will look impotent if they do nothing, hope they resolve this soon and you get your wifes refund.

Mickeyk, I got my rent relief last week, I went to a site called reduceyourtax.ie. There quite good and they usually resolve any queries within a couple of weeks, they will charge a fee on a sliding scale depending on how much tax you get back. I'd recomend going onto that site, you can claim back tax for the last 4 years, fill out every detail on rent relief and who your landlord/lady is.

rightwingdub

problemchimp wrote: »

I'm not a public sector worker by any means but it's not that long since nobody wanted these jobs in the public sector because everybody wanted a slice of the action and work for Intel or earn 2000euro p.w. as a carpenter. Should have saved your celtic tiger earnings instead of changing your car every year and spending your money on ****e that you don't need. I'm guilty of it myself. It's not the public sector workers we should be angry with, it's the wa***rs that spent the money on government jets, e-voting machines and Fas expences. Don't fall into the governments private V public divide and conquer trap. I genuinely hope you get your claim processed soon.

How many people were not willing to take jobs in the public sector at the height of the boom, I went for an admin job in a well known university about 6 years ago and there were 60 applicants for one position, the job was hardly been advertised for €40k per year more like €25-26k. I know noone who was slagging off ps workers for not taking private sector jobs at the height of the boom that is absolute rubbish that is been fabricated by a lot of public sector workers, there was never a shortage of applicants for overpaid ps jobs.

dissed doc

woodseb wrote: »

If the unions are telling staff not to do core duties and expect full pay for it they should just get out and strike - they can't have their cake and eat it too

What's more likely is that less and less staff are present as the ones that retire are not replaced due to the embargo, and the smaller group of remaining staff now make less money than they used to for a huge increase in workload. NOne of this is breach of contract, and if it was, it would be the employer breaching employment law, not the employees.

dissed doc

mickeyk wrote: »

and they won't have the support of the public either,

Most public sector workers do not give a flying **** what the public think of them after 18 months of degrading attacks on their personal lives and income.

Remember it when you need to call a doctor, firebrigade, garda, taxman, council, etc., . This is what you wanted and this is what you get. They will do their jobs, by he book, and no more. Work to rule is what you are actually contracted to work for; someone is sick, and not replaced, his work is not done by someone doing their own job as was done before.

Good night and good luck.

Head The Wall

rightwingdub wrote: »

Mickeyk, I got my rent relief last week, I went to a site called reduceyourtax.ie. There quite good and they usually resolve any queries within a couple of weeks, they will charge a fee on a sliding scale depending on how much tax you get back. I'd recomend going onto that site, you can claim back tax for the last 4 years, fill out every detail on rent relief and who your landlord/lady is.

Do it yourself and pay no fee. Go to http://www.ros.ie

Sign up and they'll send you a pin. Did you have to give that crowd your RSI number?

rightwingdub

Head The Wall wrote: »

Do it yourself and pay no fee. Go to http://www.ros.ie

Sign up and they'll send you a pin. Did you have to give that crowd your RSI number?

Yes I gave reduceyourtax.ie my PPS number, still I got quite a bit back in tax.:)

The_Honeybadger

dissed doc wrote: »

Most public sector workers do not give a flying **** what the public think of them after 18 months of degrading attacks on their personal lives and income.

Remember it when you need to call a doctor, firebrigade, garda, taxman, council, etc., . This is what you wanted and this is what you get. They will do their jobs, by he book, and no more. Work to rule is what you are actually contracted to work for; someone is sick, and not replaced, his work is not done by someone doing their own job as was done before.

Good night and good luck.

Was simply making a point that they don't have public support, do you disagree?
Maybe the fact that it is so obvious they don't give a f**k as you have so helpfully pointed out is part of the problem?
The poor nurse, garda & fireman argument is getting seriously old, they are extremely well paid to do a difficult job lets just leave it at that, I have no problem with them why have you attacked my post in the way you did?
The idea of work to rule and the utter inflexibility it entails is ludicrous in any job and you obviously think its ok, try that in a regular private sector job and see how long you last. You'd be sacked within a week because it is simply ridiculous to refuse to answer a phone or do some other everyday task as part of your work, by all means let them do this but surely they don't expect support from the very people they are inconveniencing.

rightwingdub

mickeyk wrote: »

Was simply making a point that they don't have public support, do you disagree?
Maybe the fact that it is so obvious they don't give a f**k as you have so helpfully pointed out is part of the problem?
The poor nurse, garda & fireman argument is getting seriously old, they are extremely well paid to do a difficult job lets just leave it at that, I have no problem with them why have you attacked my post in the way you did?
The idea of work to rule and the utter inflexibility it entails is ludicrous in any job and you obviously think its ok, try that in a regular private sector job and see how long you last. You'd be sacked within a week because it is simply ridiculous to refuse to answer a phone or do some other everyday task as part of your work, by all means let them do this but surely they don't expect support from the very people they are inconveniencing.

Well said mickeyk, If I went on a work to rule in my job I'd be kicked out the door after one warning wouldn't last two days, its just goes to show just how inflexible and lazy a minority of public sector workers are, also they are completely out of touch with economic reality.

ei.sdraob

rightwingdub wrote: »

Yes I gave reduceyourtax.ie my PPS number, still I got quite a bit back in tax.:)

that didn't send any alarm bells ringing?

considering its all done over the net and you dont personally know them??

rightwingdub

ei.sdraob wrote: »

that didn't send any alarm bells ringing?

considering its all done over the net and you dont personally know them??

A few of my mates sorted out their taxes with them, also I checked to see if the company was registered and contacted them as well, I got my cheque in the post last week. Ring them up yourself and you'll fin their legitimate. www.reduceyourtax.ie

ei.sdraob

rightwingdub wrote: »

A few of my mates sorted out their taxes with them, also I checked to see if the company was registered and contacted them as well, I got my cheque in the post last week. Ring them up yourself and you'll fin their legitimate. www.reduceyourtax.ie

ok cool

tho i personally prefer good old fashioned accountants when it comes to money and taxes

Thinkingaboutit

DJ_U4EA wrote: »

They need a good kick in the arse, not sitting around "going slow" and not even bothering to answer the phones. I'm waiting on a JB claim (3 day week) for the past 8 weeks now, and each time I've rang in the past 3 weeks I'm told "its with the deciding officer".

Now I don't know if his job title is just a piss take or what, but any person who takes 8 weeks+ to make a decision should be sitting on the dole himself. Would you get away with this utterly irritating heel dragging in a private sector company? Like hell you would, it would be a P45 and straight out the door with you.

When the PS actually start doing some acceptable level of work then they can start their childish strike action. At present, my experience of their "service" is that they should all be on minimum wage.

I have something that's either with the deciding officer, or it's send to someone else who doesn't have it yet, so can't help. That's been going on five months despite repeated phone calls or letters, and I've lost out on certain courses I had applied for. While it's hard to see how they can go slower, it appears they can. Why can this privileged class provide such slow, slovenly, ill-mannered service? Some of the Social Welfare people are so rude to clients, yet they will never experience unemployment or the threat of it. I have come to dislike them intensely, not from reading the Sindo or similar loo paper, but from my own experience of the service (sardonic laugh) they provide. There is no matter of a public private divide, as the PS are a privileged class. I can instance a technician employed by one of the ITs who works three days a week and gets 70,000 Euro, who put his employer to a good deal of expense with a malicious and frivilous complaint about ventilation at a rarely used classroom with some rarely used machinery. This is a Republic. There should be no privileged class.

I hope OP gets this much needed money, but he will likely have much longer to wait. A letter to a TD can help. It was of use to me.

Olduvai

Is this so called "work to rule" not a demarcation dispute?

Welease

Olduvai wrote: »

Is this so called "work to rule" not a demarcation dispute?

I believe so.. the unions believe they are running the country

irishh_bob

problemchimp wrote: »

I'm not a public sector worker by any means but it's not that long since nobody wanted these jobs in the public sector because everybody wanted a slice of the action and work for Intel or earn 2000euro p.w. as a carpenter. Should have saved your celtic tiger earnings instead of changing your car every year and spending your money on ****e that you don't need. I'm guilty of it myself. It's not the public sector workers we should be angry with, it's the wa***rs that spent the money on government jets, e-voting machines and Fas expences. Don't fall into the governments private V public divide and conquer trap. I genuinely hope you get your claim processed soon.

thier was i thinking that the false line about how no one wanted to work for the state during the boom , was no longer being trotted out , its a union invention from start to finish

parsi

rightwingdub wrote: »

A few of my mates sorted out their taxes with them, also I checked to see if the company was registered and contacted them as well, I got my cheque in the post last week. Ring them up yourself and you'll fin their legitimate. www.reduceyourtax.ie

Hmm. Their only contact number is a mobile, they have your RSI and all other tax details.

As mentioned you can do it online with the Revenue and get a cheque in the post or direct to your bank account.

They are only dealing with bread-and-butter PAYE claims which are dealt with easier online via ros.ie without any middle-man.

deise blue

mickeyk wrote: »

Was simply making a point that they don't have public support, do you disagree?
Maybe the fact that it is so obvious they don't give a f**k as you have so helpfully pointed out is part of the problem?
The poor nurse, garda & fireman argument is getting seriously old, they are extremely well paid to do a difficult job lets just leave it at that, I have no problem with them why have you attacked my post in the way you did?
The idea of work to rule and the utter inflexibility it entails is ludicrous in any job and you obviously think its ok, try that in a regular private sector job and see how long you last. You'd be sacked within a week because it is simply ridiculous to refuse to answer a phone or do some other everyday task as part of your work, by all means let them do this but surely they don't expect support from the very people they are inconveniencing.

Not true , to my certain knowledge AIB and Bank of Ireland staff operated a work to rule in the nineties and nobody was sacked.

The_Honeybadger

deise blue wrote: »

Not true , to my certain knowledge AIB and Bank of Ireland staff operated a work to rule in the nineties and nobody was sacked.

Aren't banks unionised as well? This makes it difficult for people to be sacked, they are more like a public than private company in that regard. And one rare example does not disprove my point, they are the exception to the rule.

deise blue

Whatever way you look at it the Banks are Private Sector companies and as such are quoted on the ISEQ.
A work to rule took place in both institutions without anyone being sacked.
Therefore your argument that if a work to rule took place in the private sector then sackings would follow is flawed !

rightwingdub

deise blue wrote: »

Not true , to my certain knowledge AIB and Bank of Ireland staff operated a work to rule in the nineties and nobody was sacked.

How long did the bank staff operate a work to rule for if that is the case? I do recall a 3 week bank strike in 1991 or 1992 which the bank staff lost.

deise blue

Work to rule lasted for over a month.
As to whether the strike was won by either party is debatable !

The_Honeybadger

deise blue wrote: »

Whatever way you look at it the Banks are Private Sector companies and as such are quoted on the ISEQ.
A work to rule took place in both institutions without anyone being sacked.
Therefore your argument that if a work to rule took place in the private sector then sackings would follow is flawed !

Can't argue with that, however it is far from the norm in the private sector and is the exception to the rule as I said.

doc_17

probably way off topic but are aer lingus public or private? I know the government own about 25% and ryanair own 25% so are they a mixture or what?

Also on the topic of work to rule, if you worked in the private sector and got extra responsility or a promotion would you get a pay cut as well? I suspect that might happen in some companies but it's happening in every single office/school/hospital/garda station etc in the country due to thousands retiring and nobody being replaced, no middle management posts in school etc..And having you pay cut by average 7.5% along the way (not counting the pension levy, thats fair enough). Thats why there is a work to rule imo

gandalf

In most private sector jobs you would get more money if you were promoted or if you took on additional workload if the company was doing well. If the company wasn't you'd be expected to knuckle down and get on with the job at hand. As has happened with a lot of people in the private sector you may have to take a pay cut hand in hand with the additional workload.

The money isn't there to pay people extra, it isn't there to pay current levels, it isn't there to even pay the reduced amounts. I cannot understand how this is not getting through to some people out there.

This has all been caused by mismanagement over the years by Governments, and PS management and the unnecessary, unwarranted and unprecidented influence of the unions.

Flex

doc_17 wrote: »

probably way off topic but are aer lingus public or private? I know the government own about 25% and ryanair own 25% so are they a mixture or what?

Also on the topic of work to rule, if you worked in the private sector and got extra responsility or a promotion would you get a pay cut as well? I suspect that might happen in some companies but it's happening in every single office/school/hospital/garda station etc in the country due to thousands retiring and nobody being replaced, no middle management posts in school etc..And having you pay cut by average 7.5% along the way (not counting the pension levy, thats fair enough). Thats why there is a work to rule imo

I hear the line of "Thousands retiring and not being replaced" alot. I think ei.sbraod posted a link a week or two ago that debunked that rumour. It stated the total number working in the public sector in October 2008 was 368,000 and in October 2009 (1 year later) it was 362,250, equating to a 2.2% drop in manpower. That figure included all retirees and short term contracts not renewed.

Also, with regards the work to rule. If my employer was facing bankruptcy, work to rule is the last thing Id do. If people feel they are worth more money than theyre being paid and the skills and qualifications they bring to their employer are not appreciated enough in terms of pay they really have 2 options;

1) Accept their current rate of pay is the best that the job market is able to get them and get on with work.

2) Inform their employer they believe they can earn a higher rate of pay in another job and that other employers would readily offer them jobs on a higher rate of pay. Then if your employer wont give you a pay rise you feel you fully deserve (or work conditions, etc), tender your resignation, work your 2 week notice and get out into the job market. (Of course they wont do this because they know they cant find a job where their 'skills' will net them anywhere near the level of money theyre on now for an equivalent workload :rolleyes:)

Work to rule or strike action that youre only doing when you know you cant be sacked and that you know you definitely wouldnt be able to find another employer where you would get the same money for what you bring to the table in terms of qualifications/skills/experience is cowardly, greedy and childish.

mickoneill30

doc_17 wrote: »

Also on the topic of work to rule, if you worked in the private sector and got extra responsility or a promotion would you get a pay cut as well? I suspect that might happen in some companies but it's happening in every single office/school/hospital/garda station etc in the country due to thousands retiring and nobody being replaced, no middle management posts in school etc..And having you pay cut by average 7.5% along the way (not counting the pension levy, thats fair enough). Thats why there is a work to rule imo

In the private sector the people needed least would be made redundant so the company wouldn't have to wait for people to retire to save money. That's happened in pretty much every company that I know somebody working in. That way when somebody retires you can promote somebody up because the number has been cut from the lower rank.

In the public sector this always seems to be met with the most resistance. I'm not sure why. If somebody really isn't pulling their weight then get rid of them.

gurramok

My other half who lost her job just before Xmas is still waiting on her medical application to come through.
Of course its lost on those on the go slow that there just might be sick people out there who really need that medication for an illness including GP visits where they cannot afford said treatment anymore since they lost their job.

Its just plain selfish what the go-slowers are doing, its mé-féinism.:mad:

Gumbo

gurramok wrote: »

My other half who lost her job just before Xmas is still waiting on her medical application to come through.
Of course its lost on those on the go slow that there just might be sick people out there who really need that medication for an illness including GP visits where they cannot afford said treatment anymore since they lost their job.

Its just plain selfish what the go-slowers are doing, its mé-féinism.:mad:

My GF was waiting 3.5 months for her medical card when she was let go last jan 2009, (well before the go-slow).

gurramok

gumbo wrote: »

My GF was waiting 3.5 months for her medical card when she was let go last jan 2009, (well before the go-slow).

So if this is true, they are just plain slow at doing things. Bring on those reforms to get efficiencies I say.

changes

3 and half months seems long alright, but was the correct form sent in fully complete. Was there any other correspondance required in that period.

What do people do when they get layed off..... they apply for a Medical card,
What do people do when they get their paycut.... apply/reapply for a medical card.

The workload in these offices has increased significantly but the staffing has remained the same or even reduced as temporary staff are let go.

This is the reality of what people have been calling for all year??

ardmacha

This is the reality of what people have been calling for all year??

Of course, this is a forum where people call for less people in the public service and then complain is the service declines.

mickoneill30

ardmacha wrote: »

Of course, this is a forum where people call for less people in the public service and then complain is the service declines.

because of a go slow.

ixoy

ardmacha wrote: »

Of course, this is a forum where people call for less people in the public service and then complain is the service declines.

Yes but the service is declining partially because of industrial action - reduced numbers doesn't have to mean reduced services if people pick up the slack a little. They could also easily redeploy in areas - I've seen departments over staffed with too many people sitting around, 5 people where 2 or 3 were only needed.
Also certain actions at the moment - the refusal to answer phones today for example - are certainly not a direct product of reduced service.

galway2007

This is about to come to a head
I was at that meeting last night and in about 3 weeks the walk out will happen and will go on for as long as is needed
The union I am in is planning to take out between 7000 and 10000 key public sector workers and while they are not being paid the other 50000 member are going to pay an extra €20 euro a week to pay the wages of the people on strike.
This will more than likely lead to the fall of the government which I think is correct because it is one thing for you wages to be cut but it is another thing that the people who caused it are still in power.

galway2007

deadtiger wrote: »

In most private sector jobs you would get more money if you were promoted or if you took on additional workload if the company was doing well. If the company wasn't you'd be expected to knuckle down and get on with the job at hand. As has happened with a lot of people in the private sector you may have to take a pay cut hand in hand with the additional workload.

The money isn't there to pay people extra, it isn't there to pay current levels, it isn't there to even pay the reduced amounts. I cannot understand how this is not getting through to some people out there.

This has all been caused by mismanagement over the years by Governments, and PS management and the unnecessary, unwarranted and unprecidented influence of the unions.

We are trying to fill a position in my workplace (public sector)
14 people applied for it
The guy that was offered the job can not afford to take it as it starts at 33k he is better off on the dole he is married with 2 kids

woodseb

galway2007 wrote: »

This is about to come to a head
I was at that meeting last night and in about 3 weeks the walk out will happen and will go on for as long as is needed
The union I am in is planning to take out between 7000 and 10000 key public sector workers and while they are not being paid the other 50000 member are going to pay an extra €20 euro a week to pay the wages of the people on strike.
This will more than likely lead to the fall of the government which I think is correct because it is one thing for you wages to be cut but it is another thing that the people who caused it are still in power.

so when the government falls, you'll all go back to work and accept the pay cuts?

great - everybody wins:)

gandalf

galway2007 wrote: »

We are trying to fill a position in my workplace (public sector)
14 people applied for it
The guy that was offered the job can not afford to take it as it starts at 33k he is better off on the dole he is married with 2 kids

I thought there was an employment embargo at the moment?

Maybe you should pop over to the Work & Jobs Forum there would be a load of people interested in the position there.