Fennel Transfer?

gooch2k9

I know there are loads of threads on this but having read most of them i cannot find out the actual reason he is trying to move?

Anyone got an answer?

infamous

who cares, im sick of reading headlines in the sun etc. He is a very average footballer who there would be zero mention of if he was from any other county. He will have an ok league as long as the ground stays soft the minute he hits croker he will be found out, I think the dubs should be putting more effort into trying to entice whelo back again rather than hyping average footballers as the new saviour.

glanman

gooch2k9 wrote: »

I know there are loads of threads on this but having read most of them i cannot find out the actual reason he is trying to move?

Anyone got an answer?

As far as I understand his club are primarily a hurling club and he wants to go to a football club to improve himself and his chances of playing for the dubs.

Thats what I have heard but I don't know a huge amount about it. Is there more personal issues going on etc???

gooch2k9

Sounds like he just wants to play for the big team to me. County board were right to reject it if that is the case.

infamous

He put in a request to go to plunketts then changed it to go to vincents, no coincidence the dubs mgt are vincents men. I see Owen Mulligan won an intermediate all-ireland with his club last week would have to be more pride in winning that than moving to a senior club in tyrone and winning a senior championship. Plenty of great players play with intermediate/junior clubs, and realistically county players play very little club football bar championship so fennells statement is just a cop out. Dublin county board need to put a stop to players transferring from club to club in dublin, they also need to have a closer look at players coming in from outside the county. Parnells are throwing money around like confetti the whole county knows about it yet nothing is done.

radharc

Whatever about the rights and wrongs there's no way Fennell is a 'very average footballer' -have you watched either of the Dubs league matches this season?

Tristram

I think if he was an average football player the transfer would have gone through with relative ease. Regardless of anyone's motives the issue needs to resolved, the sooner the better, for everyone's sake. We can speculate til the cows come home and it will still mean nought.

infamous

Yes I watched the kerry game on telly and went the derry game, ye he burst through and scored a couple of nice scores but only played in patches. He hasnt got the fitness/mobility to do that kind of running for 70 mins. He is a big strong lad yet dublin persist in putting these fellas into the gym slowing them down. Fennell and McConell are a long way off ryan and whelan. I think the dubs may have found a player in McCauley other than that it will be a similar team to last year. Dublin have beaten a Kerry B team in trasission and struggled by a Derry team missing their key forwards. Overhyped and nothing to base it on.

micks

infamous wrote: »

Yes I watched the kerry game on telly and went the derry game, ye he burst through and scored a couple of nice scores but only played in patches. He hasnt got the fitness/mobility to do that kind of running for 70 mins. He is a big strong lad yet dublin persist in putting these fellas into the gym slowing them down. Fennell and McConell are a long way off ryan and whelan. I think the dubs may have found a player in McCauley other than that it will be a similar team to last year. Dublin have beaten a Kerry B team in trasission and struggled by a Derry team missing their key forwards. Overhyped and nothing to base it on.

When is the last time he has played regularly? He's had at least 12 months of training without competitive matches has he not. Dont know anything about him but surely that would ave an affect on his sharpness at least

nimbinsurfer

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Tristram

People hear a lot of things. I'm not sure if we're allowed discuss some of them on these boards though. Things get messy.

Spiritoftheseventies

AFAIK he is taking case to DRA

Daysha

nimbinsurfer, do not post unfounded allegations about a player or a club without proof. We've had problems with this before so we have to be as vigilant as possible.

Spiritoftheseventies

Think Pillar made a good enough point in Herald yesterday. Btw infamous from the little I have seen of him he is far from an average footballer.

FORMER Dublin manager Paul Caffrey has added his voice to the clamour for Eamon Fennell to be allowed to transfer from O'Toole's to neighbouring club St Vincent's.

Fennell's case is set to go before the Disputes Resolution Authority (DRA) once a date can be agreed between the relevant parties (possibly next Monday) after O'Toole's refused to sign his transfer request and a county board vote which came down to chairman, Gerry Harrington's casting vote.

Describing the situation as "a mess", Caffrey, who initially gave Fennell his introduction to intercounty football, was adamant that as an amateur player and one who had already sat out a year of club football on the understanding that he would subsequently be allowed leave O'Toole's, Fennell should be granted his transfer to the Marino club.

"I can understand both sides of the argument but, in limbo is not the place this should be," said Caffrey yesterday.

"While I understand and empathise with clubs who've brought up players, if a player makes a decision that, for his own reasons he wishes to transfer, then I think that has to be acceded to," stressed Caffrey.

SACRIFICED

"Eamonn Fennell has sat out for a year. His understanding was that if he sat out for a year and sacrificed that year he would be entitled to transfer and I think it's very unfair that he can't play," Caffrey added.

"Fennell's best years, as a midfielder, are in the next three or four years and he needs to be able to play football with a club, go and play football and get into this number 9 jersey for Dublin and hold onto it for the summer."

However, Caffrey believes the affair has made Fennell a stronger player and described the former Dublin under-21 as the "heir apparent" to Ciarán Whelan.

"Sometimes adversity can make you much tougher and I think that's probably done that to Eamonn. He looks a much tougher guy now," Caffrey stated.

"Who's to say Eamonn Fennell won't turn into an icon in Dublin football over the next ten years," added former Dublin manager Caffrey.

http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/fennell-has-served-his-time-in-limbo-pillar-2076966.html

Floppybits

I think the board were right to stop the transfer. O'Tooles are in Division 2 in Dublin football, which is a good level. Other teams in Division 2 are parnells, home club of Cluxton, I dont see him looking for a transfer, Skerries Harps, club of Brian Cullen I dont see him looking for a transfer.

To me this transferring between clubs in Dublin, usually from the smaller club to the bigger club is going to kill football in Dublin. Why should smaller clubs allow the players that have been with them since they started playing, have invested a lot of time and energy in helping that player develop and as soon as the player gets into the Dublin squad or shows promise the big clubs come in and start to turn their heads, and the small club is just to allow them to transfer. If that's the case then Dublin should only have the 4 or 5 super clubs and to hell with the rest of the clubs.

Spiritoftheseventies

Floppybits wrote: »

I think the board were right to stop the transfer. O'Tooles are in Division 2 in Dublin football, which is a good level. Other teams in Division 2 are parnells, home club of Cluxton, I dont see him looking for a transfer, Skerries Harps, club of Brian Cullen I dont see him looking for a transfer.

To me this transferring between clubs in Dublin, usually from the smaller club to the bigger club is going to kill football in Dublin. Why should smaller clubs allow the players that have been with them since they started playing, have invested a lot of time and energy in helping that player develop and as soon as the player gets into the Dublin squad or shows promise the big clubs come in and start to turn their heads, and the small club is just to allow them to transfer. If that's the case then Dublin should only have the 4 or 5 super clubs and to hell with the rest of the clubs.

Yes but don't you agree that Fennel having spent twelve months on the sideline should have been allowed to resume his career. Think Pillar makes a very strong case here. And I think in terms of Parnells and Skerries Harps both are still primarily football clubs while O Tooles is noted as a hurling club.

Orizio

Is there no 'Parish Rule' in Dublin GAA?

gooch2k9

just one called the pale:D

Spiritoftheseventies

Orizio wrote: »

Is there no 'Parish Rule' in Dublin GAA?

No. And as such smaller clubs lose their players to the bigger clubs. What seems to be at issue as discussed by Caffrey is that Fennell sat out the last twelve months on the understanding that would be the end of the matter.

Tristram

Fake Locke wrote: »

What seems to be at issue as discussed by Caffrey is that Fennell sat out the last twelve months on the understanding that would be the end of the matter.

That was my understanding too along with a lot of other peoples.

TheKid

I heard he has a plan to move to a club here in Laois, play for year and head back up to club of his choice then.

Spiritoftheseventies

TheKid wrote: »

I heard he has a plan to move to a club here in Laois, play for year and head back up to club of his choice then.

Can he do that?

TheKid

He can if he is living there

cruiserweight

TheKid wrote: »

I heard he has a plan to move to a club here in Laois, play for year and head back up to club of his choice then.

Link please?

TheKid

local story ,it can be taken down if lads want?

Frank Spencer

Fennell's transfer has been rejected again tonight by the DCB. His only options now are to return to play with O'Tooles or hope that O'Tooles have a change of heart and allow his transfer.

It's not clear where it leaves him in relation to Inter-County football.

Floppybits

Frank Spencer wrote: »

Fennell's transfer has been rejected again tonight by the DCB. His only options now are to return to play with O'Tooles or hope that O'Tooles have a change of heart and allow his transfer.

It's not clear where it leaves him in relation to Inter-County football.

Fennell is still an O'Tooles player and O'Tooles stated earlier this year that they will not stand in the way of him playing Inter-County Football.

I cant see any other way of ending this other than O'Tooles just allowing him to leave. Fennell didn't help his case by putting in at least 3 transfer requests to 3 different clubs over the last few seasons. I reckon he might have got the go ahead if he had just repeated requests to the 1 club but not 3 different ones.

Also again this highlights one of the biggest problems in Dublin and that is the poaching of good players from smaller clubs to bigger clubs which is restricting the competition in Dublin club football to about 4 or 5 clubs. :mad:

Colm R

Floppybits wrote: »

Also again this highlights one of the biggest problems in Dublin and that is the poaching of good players from smaller clubs to bigger clubs which is restricting the competition in Dublin club football to about 4 or 5 clubs. :mad:

Could be an argument for divisional style teams like they do in Cork.

The solution in Cork is not perfect by any means. But if your a good player playing for a Junior or Intermediate Club, you can possibly get the chance to play for your divisional team.

Cork is broken up in to 8 sub county boards. For example, the City board is known as Seandun and East Cork is known as Imokilly.

The senior county championsip in both codes is played County wide and each division has its own team also. They can only select players from non-Senior clubs in their division.

The above has two real advantages:

- nearly always, every player on the inter county team plays in the Cork Senior Championship

- Having divisional structure means that underage compeditions are played within the sub county board only, and in some cases, the winners progress onwards. This means you don't need to drag kids from Youghal to Beara or vice versa. Obviously this would not be an issue in Dublin.


The system has its problems, such as Junior clubs not having full representation at the county board as well as increased beaurcracy. But importantly, if you are good player of intercounty standard, you'll get the chance to play big games.

That said, divisional teams are not often very successful.

RGS

This looks like going legal. Fennell is consulting solicitors.

If he goes the whole way he could change the whole transfer system but not for the better.

We could end up with a Bosman type ruling where players are entitled to sign for any other club, without a formal transfer, before the new season starts.
Thats a disaster for smaller clubs.

Cant see any court ruling that a player must stay tied to his first club forever without their approval to a transfer.

The HorsesMouth

infamous wrote: »

who cares, im sick of reading headlines in the sun etc. He is a very average footballer who there would be zero mention of if he was from any other county. He will have an ok league as long as the ground stays soft the minute he hits croker he will be found out, I think the dubs should be putting more effort into trying to entice whelo back again rather than hyping average footballers as the new saviour.

Just having a look at this thread now....you were spot on lad.Fennell really has been shown up for an average player when many thought,including myself,that this guy was a real find in the league.

As for the O Tooles saga...I think its player thinking he's bigger than the club. The hours that go into bringing boys and girls up from underage rank to senior is not to be underestimated,and no one can blame O Tooles for wanting to hold on to their best players..they should be comended for taking such a stance. Fennell needs to accept that this is his club,the one which made him into the player he is,and try his utmost to bring the club to a higher rank which he obviously thinks he is entitled to.
Now wouldnt that a sweet moment in anyones football career,rather than just getting there with a signature on a transfer form.